Been dumbing myself down lately with AWESOME results

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I noticed that us smart guys have a double edged sword. I used to make it an identity to be an "authority", someone who was known by everyone to be really smart. I noticed that I would alienate/annoy people though. Looking back, I've realized that I was just lame and not cool.

After going through Jeffy from RSD;s programs, I noticed that he was a very intelligent, articulate guy that pretty much acted like he was really dumb, but peppering very intelligent and complex words into conversation.

Then I decided to start doing that too. It worked. I no longer had to "think" about sh*t. I could say dumb, frivolous stuff and get away with it, because it was entertaining, at the very least to myself.

Once I got over my need to have deep, meaningful conversation with EVERY woman I came into contact with, my results went up. Did I get laid a ton? Nope. But I was getting more results in terms of looks, conversations, and situations that would have led to more lays that I didn't get simply because of lack of experience. I was getting more opportunity.

Then I read an article on Chateau Heartise. In that article it mentioned that interacting with a woman in a more feminine way was a way to get your foot in the door, since she could relate to you better. No, I didn't talk about shoes and sh*t. The only thing feminine about me is my style of communication. More like how our conversations would jump from thread to thread, often with little or no relation to each other. Guys started complaining to me about how "random" my conversations were. That's when I realized that I had achieved the female communication style, because it drives guys nuts when the thread changes so constantly, but for women it's natural. Listen to a group of women talk and you'll notice they don't stay on the same subject for very long.

And since most women don't understand how men think, I made it a point to understand how THEY think. A similar concept is how most women value status over looks, and therefore tend to get jealous when you look at women who are more high status than them, even if you're not attracted to the higher status women.

In other words, I'm pretty much the male version of a woman who could easily talk about whatever you're interested in; sports, cars, guns, etc.

Once we have sex, THEN I switch over to being the mysterious dude. Maybe even a deep conversation or two.

I've also noticed that reading the manosphere blogs helps fine tune your understanding of game dynamics since they're updated more frequently than the books and programs that come out, and tend to be more well written than forum posts.

Hell, I might even consider starting a blog of my own. I don't know if I have enough experience or whatever the f*ck you need for a blog. Maybe I ought to start one based in my local area and try to gain the same notoriety as other dudes have in the past. That would be fun.
 

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Interesting post. Would you please provide links to the manosphere blog? I tried googling it, believe.
And link to the heartiste article?
 

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Hey,
Just thought I'd give my opinion about that.
What you've been doing has worked for me as well. I made that transformation in the way I talk to women a long time ago.

I think the reason it works so well is not because you seem less intelligent, but because women can see intelligence very quickly in the way you talk, regardless of what you say. So any attempt at meaningful conversation right off the bat is going to seem approval seeking or pretentious, and either way it never leads to a very playful dynamic. Allowing yourself to say whatever you want frees you up and lets you take the conversation anywhere.
 

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So... you've changed your style, how you talk, your perceived "level of intelligence" and pretty much who you are to the outside so you could talk to women better and get laid more?

Aren't there more worthwhile things you could be doing?
 

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EastWind said:
So... you've changed your style, how you talk, your perceived "level of intelligence" and pretty much who you are to the outside so you could talk to women better and get laid more?

Aren't there more worthwhile things you could be doing?
Just because I wrote a post on one aspect of game does not mean I'm neglecting everything else in my life.
 

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Vice said:
Just because I wrote a post on one aspect of game does not mean I'm neglecting everything else in my life.
I think what he means is, why play dumb when you're smarter than you're portraying? Because it's gonna help you get laid? What about finding a woman who actually finds intellegence/deep conversations sexy and you can be yourself and not have to put on an act?
 

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Excellent post! I have to agree about not using intelligence when interacting with women... or even ANYBODY when you first meet them. Intelligent and technical conversation is a niche that only certain people will understand. When I interact with people, I usually focus on finding a place to insert something humorous and make them laugh. I like intelligent uses of humor, and I aim to do that in my interactions.

One example... The first time I met one of my GF's sisters was at a family dinner. She asked me "So Des, what do you do?" I responded with, "Well right now, I'm eating." The entire table broke out in laughter. Her dad thinks I should ditch my career and get into comedy.
 

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I know a lesbian who does it... maybe not intentionally. She scores chics left and right. Has a master's in math and is in medical school.
 

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Whatever works.

I'll say this, it's not for me. I prefer to be around intelligent people. I have the most fun with them.
 

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There's nothing wrong with being around intelligent people. But like I said, it can be a niche thing. If I sit around talking to people about computers, programming and the history of audio / visual formats, they're not going to find it particularly interesting unless they're into that kind of stuff.

When I'm around most people, I try to aim at making the conversation more fun by telling funny stories about my work, or throwing in clean, intelligent humor.
 

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Desdinova said:
When I'm around most people, I try to aim at making the conversation more fun by telling funny stories about my work, or throwing in clean, intelligent humor.
Agree.
 

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Desdinova said:
There's nothing wrong with being around intelligent people. But like I said, it can be a niche thing. If I sit around talking to people about computers, programming and the history of audio / visual formats, they're not going to find it particularly interesting unless they're into that kind of stuff.
I'm a nurse. When I'm around other nurses we tend to talk about bodily functions. Nurses are sick.

When I'm around most people, I try to aim at making the conversation more fun by telling funny stories about my work, or throwing in clean, intelligent humor.
There's a certain kind of humor and basic conversation that appeals to intelligent people, even those of different backgrounds, and that appeals to not-so-intelligent people, even of different backgrounds. I grew up in a housing project, was in the military, and lived on a ranch in Texas. Believe me, I can and do switch it up when I'm around the common folk, but I prefer to spend my free time with people more urbane and knowledgeable.

PS: I hate how I sound there, I wish I could call them something different.
 

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MisterD said:
I think what he means is, why play dumb when you're smarter than you're portraying? Because it's gonna help you get laid? What about finding a woman who actually finds intellegence/deep conversations sexy and you can be yourself and not have to put on an act?
Because talking about deep philosophical concepts and ideas will NOT send deep throbbing tingles of passion to her vagina. If I want to talk about that sh*t I do it with my friends.

Also, intelligence people who flaunt their intelligence tend to alienate regular people. After spending YEARS making an identity out of being intelligent, I just need to dumb myself down for a while.

That doesn't mean that I'm going to neglect school. Or my business. Only in the arena of dating.

Ironically, we're all having a somewhat deep discussion about not having deep discussions.

Desdinova said:
One example... The first time I met one of my GF's sisters was at a family dinner. She asked me "So Des, what do you do?" I responded with, "Well right now, I'm eating." The entire table broke out in laughter. Her dad thinks I should ditch my career and get into comedy.
I'm stealing that. And this is an example of what I'm talking about. If you were some stiff guy who made an identity out of his career, you wouldn't have answered that way. Replying like that showed that you "got it" and were socially savvy.

Enough egg-headed sh*t for one day.
 

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Vice said:
If you were some stiff guy who made an identity out of his career, you wouldn't have answered that way. Replying like that showed that you "got it" and were socially savvy.
One of my gf's sisters has a husband who's going to law school. He's the most boring guy I've ever interacted with. What that girl saw in him is beyond me. She's smoking hot, and I'm betting that eventually she's going to venture outside the marriage. Hell, she's already been giving me those 'I'd fvck you' eyes.
 

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Desdinova said:
One of my gf's sisters has a husband who's going to law school. He's the most boring guy I've ever interacted with. What that girl saw in him is beyond me. She's smoking hot, and I'm betting that eventually she's going to venture outside the marriage. Hell, she's already been giving me those 'I'd fvck you' eyes.
He's the provider. You're the lover. She's likely to get pregnant from some other dude and end up having him raise the kid without him knowing.

Read Sperm Wars by Robin Baker, and you'll understand exactly what's going on.
 

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Vice said:
Because talking about deep philosophical concepts and ideas will NOT send deep throbbing tingles of passion to her vagina. If I want to talk about that sh*t I do it with my friends.
But why is getting laid the focal point? Why are you changing who you are in order to get laid? This may work short term, but in the end, you're going to want to find someone who you don't have to act for, who will dig you for being your true self.

But I guess it depends on what you consider "deep". Deep to me is talking about dreams, beliefs, the meaning of life. I talk about topics like this all the time, with men and women alike, since i'm a big time dreamer, and i've never had a problem with it. It's never costed me a woman. And even if it did, I probably wouldn't care because it wouldn't work with the girl anyway.

I understand what forum I'm on but not everything you do has to lead to vag. Sometimes you have to live your life regardless if what you do gets you laid or not.
 

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MisterD said:
But why is getting laid the focal point? Why are you changing who you are in order to get laid? This may work short term, but in the end, you're going to want to find someone who you don't have to act for, who will dig you for being your true self.

I understand what forum I'm on but not everything you do has to lead to vag. Sometimes you have to live your life regardless if what you do gets you laid or not.
I would have to agree. Once you have to change who you are in order to get laid it's fake. There is a difference b/n knowing your audience and putting on a show.

If you are a fun guy from the get go, you won't have to put on a show to get in their pants.
 

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I believe you've just learned the key to being 'charming'.

I would like to see you try to incorporate your intelligence into that charming conversation personality and using both of your strengths in synergy. It isn't easy, but you might be surprised with how the caliber of women you attract will change.

I'm pretty sure "Intellilgent and charming" sounds better than just "charming".
 

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