Been balling my eyes out the last few hours..

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I think what he meant by "he deserves better" is that the OP seems like a genuine guy and deserves better than the poison that is this woman. And I would agree. a GOOD GUY (one who is honest, doesn't cheat, play games or string women along) deserves a GOOD WOMAN, and vice-versa, but an assh0le deserves another assh0le.
Thank you, at least someone understood what I meant.

I believe that a majority of posters on this forum are good men, who deserve good women.

Good people deserve better than this and the OP is good person which is why he shouldn't lower his standards to pieces of excrement like this woman who does not deserve a good man.

I like to think that all good people eventually meet other good people, if that makes me a girl, so be it! I always believe in Goodness, I'm no Debbie Downer.
 

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Yeah i guess that's where we differ, i'm set on the belief of you get what you earn not what you deserve. The OP may be a good guy but he definitely still needs to learn the ropes and read the dj bible some more. Sure good guys deserve good girls but i bet you its the DJ/jerk that has the good girl and not the good guy.

The good guy is usually strung along like this op or stuck with some fat hb that he doesn't want because he can't get better. If you want better you got to be better. Better at controlling your emotions, maintaining the frame, sticking to your word, etc. Being better at pouring your emotions out to women doesn't fall into that category. One thing that i've learned is to keep your sh1t to yourself as no one wants to hear your sob stories/problems. It's hard to do but it's true.
 
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Yeah i guess that's where we differ, i'm set on the belief of you get what you earn not what you deserve. The OP may be a good guy but he definitely still needs to learn the ropes and read the dj bible some more. Sure good guys deserve good girls but i bet you its the DJ/jerk that has the good girl and not the good guy.

The good guy is usually strung along like this op or stuck with some fat hb that he doesn't want because he can't get better. If you want better you got to be better. Better at controlling your emotions, maintaining the frame, sticking to your word, etc. Being better at pouring your emotions out to women doesn't fall into that category. One thing that i've learned is to keep your sh1t to yourself as no one wants to hear your sob stories/problems. It's hard to do but it's true.
I agree with a majority of that, but I don't believe in being a DJ or a Jerk and if that means I do not get the woman, then so be it. A woman to be is like a fine wine, she's a luxurious accessory that I can do without and I am willing to pour it away at a moments notice.

A DJ/Jerk like the Good guy/nice guy relies on women in some fashion or another, I am delighted that I am liberated enough not to need a woman. I have no reason to be a Jerk, because those men are low quality men and any woman with an ounce of intelligence can see through that charade. Pond life attracts pond life and so forth...

A man can be a good man whilst maintaining the frame, maintaining his dominance, his masculinity, you don't need to be an ar*ehole to get a good woman.
 

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I think AAA means the nice guy. The good guy is inbetween the two. You guys are talking about two different types of people.

I don't know of any jerks that have good girls, though. The girl usually goes through ONE jerk, learns her lesson, and chooses the good guy from thereon in. They usually get married in their early 20s. They don't go through a bad boy phase - they just get caught up in one or two by mistake. They're usually sympathetic, naive, easy to manipulate... The jerk knows this.

Almost everyone I know who dated jerks was a *****, loser, or *****. They'd put on an act of being nice, claim to be nice, play the victim, ***** constantly... But at the end of the day, they were one and the same; complaining about the same things they were. Like attracts like. Just because they complain about a jerk - doesn't mean they aren't jerks themselves. The only people they are typically nice to, and try to win over are other jerks. They're not genuinely nice people, and it shows by how they treat those who are nice.
 

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perseverance said:
I sound like a girl? If you want I'll pay for your flight and you can come and say that to my face? I guarantee I'll leave a mark on yours. Only joking, I'm a girl so I'll no doubt be painting my nails and trying it on with your Father.
I would say it to your face but i'm a little old for that now and i know better as i've learned my lesson from that stuff already. Maybe if i was a little younger i'd take you up on the offer if you paid for my food as well Mr. Nice guy. The only mark that you would leave on my face is probably wrinkles from laughing at you being such an incredible guy like the OP.
 

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I would say it to your face but i'm a little old for that now and i know better as i've learned my lesson from that stuff already. Maybe if i was a little younger i'd take you up on the offer if you paid for my food as well Mr. Nice guy. The only mark that you would leave on my face is probably wrinkles from laughing at you being such an incredible guy like the OP.
Oooh oooh, burn, burn. :cry:

Since you're such a DJ maybe you can educate instead of ridicule?
 

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i came at you with words and you couldn't handle it and thought throwing up your fists would do the trick. Grow up.

That's why your stuck thinking the good guy will get the girl. Do you know what good guy stands for?

Good guy= AFC
 
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AAAgent said:
i came at you with words and you couldn't handle it and thought throwing up your fists would do the trick. Grow up.

That's why your stuck thinking the good guy will get the girl. Do you know what good guy stands for?

Good guy= AFC
No, that's the nice guy, who ironically isn't really a nice guy at all. I wouldn't consider myself a Don Juan or a Jerk and I still attract women, I even have the luxury of rejecting and friend zoning women. I am seeing a girl at the moment and things are going well. A good man need not be an AFC. I haven't brought her flowers, I haven't spent money on her, I haven't showered her with compliments and I sure as hell won't be writing her love poetry. Now I am not for a single moment suggesting that I am a good man or a good person, but I sure as hell not a DJ or a Jerk and I have absolutely no reason to be either of those things.

So how do you explain my "success" then?
 

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Normal... This whole good guy, bad guy thing is blown way out of proportion. I think it stems from early failures as a nice guy. But, its never being a good person that's the problem - just as being the bad guy isnt why you're successful. I don't know of any girls that genuinely wanted a bad person, and none of those relationships lasted for very long. Many girls avoid bad guys. The only exceptions are the stupid, shallow, low self-esteem, party girls. But, who really wants a relationship with them anyway?

At the same time, no girls really want a nice guy either. Neither extreme is healthy or effective. In fact, they're opposite sides of the same coin. Most jerks are former nice guys with a huge chip on their shoulders. Same insecurities and character flaws. The jerk simply hides it, and doesn't let anyone get too close - because of what happened before.

The core of the problem with nice guys is caring too much. Trying too hard. Giving away all their power. Waiting for her hand and foot. Chasing her endlessly. Accepting scraps. Being her doormat. Allowing her to get away with murder. Letting her run the show. Being desperate, clingy, co-dependant, etc. No matter what she does, or how poorly she treats him - he allows her to get away with it.

Everything he does is actually for him - not her. He does all of these things because he NEEDS her. He wants her to choose him - because he's insecure and afraid of being alone. He doesn't want to lose her, and tries to accomplish this by giving her everything she wants - with no regards for himself. Little does he know that everything he does to win her over pushes her away, and makes her view him as a weak, desperate, AFC. Then, he blames her for everything, and calls her a ***** for not choosing him - when he's the one with the problem.

This is generally where the transition to a jerk takes place. Only, he's not having success because he's a jerk - its because he stopped doing all of those unattractive things from before. He's being a challenge; independent; doesn't care. It comes naturally with the territory. Unfortunately, some people never stop being bitter, and continue hating / treating people poorly - only to find themselves in the same predicament as before. They were alone when they tried too hard, and are alone when they push everyone away and treat them like garbage.

It's still the same person underneath it all. Still whiney, bitter, insecure, afraid, unpleasant... Blaming everyone else for not accepting them - when they're the ones who try to win people's affection by doing things for them.

A lot of former nice guys who try adapting "game" into their personalities aren't effective for very long, either - because its a charade. Much like a jerk who pretends to be nice - their true colors are going to show eventually. He's still doing everything to have her accept him - only, he's going about it at a different angle. The core problem is still there. It doesn't take long before he gives away all his power and chases after her - because he's still doing everything with the sole intention of winning her over. This is where he usually fails all her tests and games, and shows his true colors.

Ex: if she loses interest - he goes ape****, and chases with her incredible zeal. Or, if she threatens to break up with him - he does everything in his power to make it not so - including giving away all the power - only to continue being manipulated. Or, if she mentions another guy - he becomes insanely jealous possessive.

He's only pretending to not care. Deep down, he's still doing everything to get her to choose him, and is still going to fail. Once his "game" is unsuccessful - his true colors are going to come out in full-force. He's still an insecure ***** who flies off the handle whenever he doesn't get his way / people don't accept him.
 

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floydb25 said:
Normal... This whole good guy, bad guy thing is blown way out of proportion. I think it stems from early failures as a nice guy. But, its never being a good person that's the problem - just as being the bad guy isnt why you're successful. I don't know of any girls that genuinely wanted a bad person, and none of those relationships lasted for very long. Many girls avoid bad guys. The only exceptions are the stupid, shallow, low self-esteem, party girls. But, who really wants a relationship with them anyway?

At the same time, no girls really want a nice guy either. Neither extreme is healthy or effective. In fact, they're opposite sides of the same coin. Most jerks are former nice guys with a huge chip on their shoulders. Same insecurities and character flaws. The jerk simply hides it, and doesn't let anyone get too close - because of what happened before.

The core of the problem with nice guys is caring too much. Trying too hard. Giving away all their power. Waiting for her hand and foot. Chasing her endlessly. Accepting scraps. Being her doormat. Allowing her to get away with murder. Letting her run the show. Being desperate, clingy, co-dependant, etc. No matter what she does, or how poorly she treats him - he allows her to get away with it.

Everything he does is actually for him - not her. He does all of these things because he NEEDS her. He wants her to choose him - because he's insecure and afraid of being alone. He doesn't want to lose her, and tries to accomplish this by giving her everything she wants - with no regards for himself. Little does he know that everything he does to win her over pushes her away, and makes her view him as a weak, desperate, AFC. Then, he blames her for everything, and calls her a ***** for not choosing him - when he's the one with the problem.

This is generally where the transition to a jerk takes place. Only, he's not having success because he's a jerk - its because he stopped doing all of those unattractive things from before. He's being a challenge; independent; doesn't care. It comes naturally with the territory. Unfortunately, some people never stop being bitter, and continue hating / treating people poorly - only to find themselves in the same predicament as before. They were alone when they tried too hard, and are alone when they push everyone away and treat them like garbage.

It's still the same person underneath it all. Still whiney, bitter, insecure, afraid, unpleasant... Blaming everyone else for not accepting them - when they're the ones who try to win people's affection by doing things for them.

A lot of former nice guys who try adapting "game" into their personalities aren't effective for very long, either - because its a charade. Much like a jerk who pretends to be nice - their true colors are going to show eventually. He's still doing everything to have her accept him - only, he's going about it at a different angle. The core problem is still there. It doesn't take long before he gives away all his power and chases after her - because he's still doing everything with the sole intention of winning her over. This is where he usually fails all her tests and games, and shows his true colors.

Ex: if she loses interest - he goes ape****, and chases with her incredible zeal. Or, if she threatens to break up with him - he does everything in his power to make it not so - including giving away all the power - only to continue being manipulated. Or, if she mentions another guy - he becomes insanely jealous possessive.

He's only pretending to not care. Deep down, he's still doing everything to get her to choose him, and is still going to fail. Once his "game" is unsuccessful - his true colors are going to come out in full-force. He's still an insecure ***** who flies off the handle whenever he doesn't get his way / people don't accept him.
very good analysis :rockon:
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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guys don't take this the wrong way but please STFU lol. I want to know what happened on the date he had tuesday.
 

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Your 21 and she's 32, casual dating is fine but anything more serious just won't work out because you're in different places, irrelevant of personalities and pasts.

What's best for you is to take your time to have a cry over her, let go and move on. Yeah you might have her interest again but theres a high probability things will turn sour. You had a good thing for a while, it's time to save it for your memories, don't try and salvage something because in this case you'll just exhaust it.
 
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