"Avatar's 25 approaches in February Journal"

[Avatar]

thanks for the support guys. I'm no Brad Pitt but yes, I am good looking.

I had to work on my appearance though. I was on the chubby side going through elementrary school and most of high school. Never had any good looking girls ever take interest in me. I never really tried to approach them either. Then when I turned 17 (I think grade 11) I started working out..and I worked out hard..lost ALL the fat and put on some muscle. Took me many years even with this look to approach girls.

And don't think I'm some big bodybuilder. I'm not. With my shirt on I look like I'm athletic. I'm 6'0, 175 lbs. But when my shirt is off, it is noticeable.

I think I'm having some good success so far because of the way I carry myself and my ability to present my values to a girl, in a subtle way, within the first 60 seconds. I need to think more about how I'm doing this..because it seems to work well and I never did it on purpose.

Maybe I'll make a more indepth post sometime regarding what I've learned and inner belief system. I'm still learning everyday though.

 

[thecraftylefty]

Those are some great approaches. You don't beat around the bush so the women know your motive and flow with it.

Plus, it seems to me that you have a sincere and straighforward style that I think most of the women you approach find refreshing. Keep up the great work and turn those #s into dates so you can share even more success stories.


thecraftylefty

 

[Avatar]

Tuesday, February 8th

Hi everyone.

Was driving by a university and saw a HB8 walking but I didn't get a real good look at her. So I turned around and came back beside her and tried this:
ME: Hey excuse me..
(she looks over and slows down a bit..I keep my Z at a slow pace and suddenly realized she was a 6.5..damn opps! oh well too late ) .. How are you doing today?

HER: Pretty good (surprised look)

ME: I gotta ask you..do you ever accept rides from strangers?

(she starts giggling)

HER: Not usually.............. (could tell she was thinking about it)

ME: Do you feel like making an exception today?

HER: Well............ (still walking).... My class is only two blocks away.

ME: Well you have a terrific day anyways and drive off.

I think if I ask I get her digits but quite honestly just didn't feel like it.

Next!

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I was in a Starbucks and walked by this HB8 she looks up, I smile and she looks back quickly to her books.. got nothing from her.. I however didn't say hi right away and missed out on the 3 second rule. so anyways I'm leaving and notice her leaving too. I hop in my car and decide to try a car approach on her..maybe I'll crack her with the material.

I pull up beside her:

ME: Excuse me...I'm sorry to bother you but I just wanted to grab your name..

HER: Why? (but smiles)

ME: (without hesitation) Cause you looked friendly. Don't tell me your not friendly...

HER: My name is Alexandra.

ME: Well Alexandra, I'm obviously not going to hold up traffic here and chat with you, however, I would like to buy you a steak dinner sometime.

HER: I'm sorry but I'm engaged... (and she holds up the ring finger and sure enough there's the stone)

That would explain why I wasn't getting any vibes from her in the book store. Oh well.

Next!

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I had some time off around 4pm today so I felt like getting more into this approaching stuff. It's almost turning into a hobby for me. Well I was there a couple hours..did have some work I had to do on the laptop so I was getting some of that done in the process, however, this is my biggest leak..I never stick to the 3 second rule. I missed out on a total of 3 approaches on HB8-9s and there was good eye contact with all 3.. damn! I did intend on approaching every one but I never got the chance because either they left or a friend came back to sit with them and I'm not into the group approaches yet (will as I gain more experience here).

So I'm still kicking myself for the 3 I missed because chances are I would have gotten 1-2 #s and 1 date guaranteed out of the 3. Anyways, before leaving I see a HB7. I'm sorta pissed off that this is the only one I can approach but decide to do so for practice, without intending to call her. She is sitting down studying and has made eye contact a few times.

I come up to her and say:

ME: Excuse me..I'm sorry to bother you, but I just wanted to get your name before I headed out

HER: (Big smile) Sure.. my name is Lindsey.

ME: Mine's Avatar (we shake)..care to chat for a few minutes?

HER: Sure (without hesitation)

(Fluff talk proceeds for 5 minutes and then I cut it off by saying):

ME: Well Lindsey I'm gonna get out. Lets hang out sometime.

HER: I'm really sorry, I would but I'm sorta seeing someone.

(this was very surprising as she was VERY receptive and almost excited the entire convo. Maybe she was just happy someone hit on her.)

ME: Oh thats too bad. Well you have a great night. (we shake and part)

I'm actually very happy with how that ended..I was pretty bumbed out about the slight hesitation on the three..and it wasn't even long hesitation..2 min tops. If there is anything I wanna work on right now it's following the 3 second rule. I'm learning first hand it is key.

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On my way home I had a 7.5 and a 6 start talking with me at a red light from their car. I was flirting huge with them. Found out they were both 18, was gonna get the digits from the 7.5 but the light turned green too fast so never got the chance. Won't really count this as an approach as they initiated the convo somewhat.

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Total approaches: 9
Total numbers: 4

Car success: 0/3

Live success: 4/6

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

Great job! I like your style.

 

[quest]

got tired of reading all the approaches (after the smiling brunette in the bar) but it certainly does sound as though ur killing it..

i'm very much the same as u. almost all drunken bar pickups leading to some dates. single since december after 8 months. anyway, much like you are doing, i very quickly got alot of numbers, and alot of potential dates. i'd love to know how u are managing it all?

i don't think i could date more then 2 girls at once, possibly make 3.. but i've taken to deleteing girls numbers who annoy me/aren't quite up to scratch or who show interest level, and just focus on the main 3-4 (2 i'll be trying to date, and 2 i'll prob try catch up with when i'm drinking if nothing is biting).
thats my very indepth method. but let me know urs?

also would be good to see a picture of u as others stated.

 

[Caldus]

Wow I should move to Canada or something. Seriously. The girls at my university suck.

What happened with that first girl? You said you were going to date her again that following Sunday but never mentioned what happened with that. Also, what about the three other girls whose numbers you have?

I must say, your progress so far is impressive. Keep us updated. I want to see where this leads to by the end of the month.

 

[Avatar]

Originally posted by thecraftylefty
Those are some great approaches. You don't beat around the bush so the women know your motive and flow with it.

Plus, it seems to me that you have a sincere and straighforward style that I think most of the women you approach find refreshing. Keep up the great work and turn those #s into dates so you can share even more success stories.


thecraftylefty

Crafty, your analyzation of my approach seems pretty bang on and I didn't even notice how exceptional it was.
EVERY girl will give me her name. It's a nice lead in question and much easier for me instead of popping some complement, asking to chat, commenting on the weather, etc.
When I approached that blonde HB8.5 sitting down, who I got the digits from, the line just came out of my mouth and had never previously read it anywhere. Every girl I've talked to so far has been VERY receptive of it, whether I get the number or not. I will continue with this approach and report.

Originally posted by Quest
i don't think i could date more then 2 girls at once, possibly make 3.. but i've taken to deleteing girls numbers who annoy me/aren't quite up to scratch or who show interest level, and just focus on the main 3-4 (2 i'll be trying to date, and 2 i'll prob try catch up with when i'm drinking if nothing is biting).
thats my very indepth method. but let me know urs?

also would be good to see a picture of u as others stated.

I'm starting to feel a ton of control in this area of my life. I'm truely feeling like I'm the prize. It's one thing to try to read about it but until you have this many interested women to choose from, you simply aren't. I'm going to be VERY picky and won't hesitate to NEXT a girl that shows mid-IL. I will probably pick up the same method as you. Date 2, MAYBE 3 girls at once. Only once / week for the first 8 weeks. I'm too busy with other areas of my life to do more than that. To give you an example of how choosy I am now, read my next paragraph.

And regarding the picture. I gave it some thought and won't post yet. The purpose of this journal is not only to help with my life, but it is also to help with those on this forum, to show that it doesn't kill you to socialize with a women! Now if I do post a pic, anyone with currently low confidence (which will change soon!!!) will get the easy way out by saying, he's better looking. I could never do or say what he does or says. I'll reconsider later, but at this time, no. So we'll leave it at this for now - I'm above average looking. I'm not some 10/10 male model.

Originally posted by Caldus
Wow I should move to Canada or something. Seriously. The girls at my university suck.

What happened with that first girl? You said you were going to date her again that following Sunday but never mentioned what happened with that. Also, what about the three other girls whose numbers you have?

I must say, your progress so far is impressive. Keep us updated. I want to see where this leads to by the end of the month.

Other than the snow for 2 months a year, you can't go too wrong with Canada.

Caldus, I knew I was forgetting a post! Regarding the first girl:
We had scheduled to have a date for last Sunday. However, some friend were holding a HUGE Super Bowl party which I found out about late. I phoned the girl in the morning and on her cell answering machine said I couldn't make the date blah blah but asked her to give me a call back. She never called back. I was half in the wrong for cancelling on the same day I realize, but if her IL was HIGH she would call me back. Therefore, my IL is not HIGH and I will not call her again. NEXT!

Regarding the other 3 #s:
1) Emailed the chick from the bar two days ago. Nothing yet. She is moving 2 hours away for 1 month on Thursday then coming back to my area, so we'll see what happens with that. The oneitis is gone now that I've sobered up and got back out there.

2) The chick from the car I'm going to call next week. She obviously has HUGE IL. Maybe I'll call her Monday..I'm in no rush. The problem with the "I want to take you out for a steak dinner", line, although funny, is your sorta obligated to take them out for a steak dinner.

3) The HB8.5 from the bookstore I am going to call tonight. She's what I'm hoping for right now. Wish me luck!

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Regarding approaches for today, I probably won't get the chance. I'm out of town and indoors most the day.

 

[Royal Elite]

Excellent work. Your approach is flawless, and now that you know what it is, use it over and over again. Its simple, and straight to the point which takes a lot of guts. Remember even though its an old line to you, its new to every girl you tell it too. Congrats!

 

[Avatar]

Thursday, February 11

Was in meetings the last few days but I got 3 approaches in tonight all within 2 hours!

Approach #10

Alright guys, this one is gonna be on my mind for a lil while. I'm driving downtown and this car pulls up beside me at a red light, I look over and its a HB9.5 but not only that but she had a look about her that told me she was an amazingly NICE girl. So I roll down my window (1st car to car approach!) and beep. She looks over, gives me an evil smiles like she knows what I'm up to and rolls down her window. The following:

ME: I'm really sorry..but I had to get your name

HER: (starts blushing) It's Stephanie

ME: Well Stephanie, obviously we don't have much time right now as we're both on the go, but I would like to take you out for a steak dinner sometime.

HER: ... (still blushing) well..I have a boyfriend...

ME: Ahh a dinner for three?? You know I don't think I could afford both of you at once. Thats too bad. Have a great evening! And I drove off...

Now this is what is bugging me. I know no one else was there but was there not a chance I still could have gotten her to give up the digits?? I felt there was. Would a more appropriate counter offer have been?

ME: Oh shoot..you have a boyfriend? Well lets just do coffee sometime then instead?

OR

ME: Oh when's the wedding?

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Approach #11

In starbucks. A 7/10 that works there is very flirtatious with me. I'm cracking some good jokes and razzing the staff a bit. I wasn't attracted enough to her to ever call her but I thought it would be good practice. So I was with my buddy, and on the way out I walked up again and infront of two of her co-workers it went like this:

ME: I'm sorry, I just thought I'd get your name before I left

HER: Mine's michelle (doesn't hesitate but knows something is up)

ME: Mine's Avatar (we shake)... Well Michelle this may sound clichue (sp?) but would you like to go out for a coffee sometime?

HER: Well..... you seem to old for me

ME: how old are you?

HER: 19..

ME: how old do you think I am?

HER: umm......

ME: I'm 22. Too old eh?

HER: well.......

ME: Hey listen, I'm not gonna stand here and pull your arm (at this point I was quite serious. I don't have time for indecisiveness. She was definately pondering.)

HER: Ya..I better not.

ME: Alright, no problem, have a great night!

I always end it on a high cause really I could have cared less about this one. It was the last one I wanted!!!

I thought this approach was good practice in front of a group though.

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Approach #12

I'm driving downtown with a buddy.. two girls walking..I pull a U-turn, and said lets practice bro. In front of 5 people at a bus stop I call these two over. Ones a 6, the other a 7.0. I fluff talked both for 30 seconds and said to the 7.5 directly:

ME: Now Jen, would like to go out for a steak dinner sometime?

HER: Hmm...(she starts eye balling the car..people in the background are all intently listening..I loved it) Well... Naw..

ME: Great! Cya ladies!

And I lit it up.

Another great practice approach there for doing it in groups. I do believe I could have given those two a ride if my buddy wasn't with me. They were receptive..I just didn't get her to bite on the proposal. 2-seat sports cars do have their disadvantages!

I think the only thing stopping me from being more successful tonight was the lack of rapport with all 3 approaches. Thats ok though as I didn't have an opportunity to get better rapport. It's all a numbers game in the end. I'd rather hit on a chick without established rapport than not talk to her at all.

Still bumbed out on the HB9.5 though. I definately think I gave up too soon. What do others think?

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Approaches: 12

Total Numbers: 4

Car Success: 1/5
Live Success: 3/7

 

[Avatar]

Friday, February 11

Approach #13

Ok banged off a few here:

Driving down the road. HB8 beside me in her car. While moving, I roll my window down, she rolls her window down.

ME: Hi, I'm sorry but I can't pass this opportunity up..what's your name??

HER: (gives me an evil smile) It's Melanie

ME: Well melanie, I realize we don't have time right now but would you like to go out for a steak dinner sometime?

**made a mistake again and made the phrase into a question. I have to stop doing that. It should be "I want to take you out for a steak dinner".**

Anyways, she says:

HER: (still smilin') I'm sorry I have a boyfriend. But you do have a nice car.

ME: A boyfriend you say eh? Well I suppose we should just go for coffee instead

HER: (laughing) mmm.. sorry...

ME: (big smile) No probs Mel, you have a fab night!

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Approach #14

Few minutes later I'm in starbucks reading. This 7 locks eyes with me and sits down in the middle of the room. 5 min later she comes over to me and asks if the couch next to me is taken. Wow! I'm thinking!

ME: I think it is, but how about you just sit here instead (and I pat the spot next to me)

HER: (laughs and sits down)

We fluff talk for a few minutes and I say

ME: Would you like to hang out sometime?

HER: (blushing) I unfortunately have a boyfriend and I wish I didn't right now.

We talk another 5 minutes and I say:

ME: Well I better get out of here. Here, right down your email..( I give her my day planner and she writes it down) *smooth eh? *

HER: Do you have a business card?

(I give her my card)

We say our good byes and part.

Cha-ching. Thats a pretty good score considering she had a bf.

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Approach #15

Went to the bar with my boyz again tonight and again I talked with everyone but I'm going to include only one approach because her and I hit it off..she is in school to be a doctor and is a HB8.5. Real nice girl. I put her on the top of my potential list right now.

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Approaches = 15

Total numbers = 6

Car success = 1/6

Live success = 5/9

 

[lYlasTer]

would you like to go out for a steak dinner sometime?

Get rid of the steak part in the line. It sounds so lame. Think you mentioned it earlier, but yea you should make it a statement and not a question. Keep it up dude.

 

[Avatar]

Originally posted by lYlasTer
would you like to go out for a steak dinner sometime?

Get rid of the steak part in the line. It sounds so lame. Think you mentioned it earlier, but yea you should make it a statement and not a question. Keep it up dude.

Yes, in normal environments I'm changing it back to coffee proposals.

But I was using the steak line last night in the bar as an opener. Very ****y/funny manner is a must. It came across very well.

I was also using the "didn't we go to different schools together?" line with success.

 

[Dingus]

I don't want to put anyone down but this thread started out really good, as far as the approaches. Now they're just getting creepy. I think you're doing too many in your car. I'd never even want to date a girl that just accepts rides or proposals from complete strangers in that situation. Maybe it's just me there seems to be a fine line between being a DJ and a complete sleeze ball. I'm in no way calling you a sleeze ball avatar, but I was left with that feeling after reading the last few threads. It's not classy to be trying to pick women up from a car. Ever hear of Ted Bundy?

 

[Avatar]

Originally posted by Dingus
I don't want to put anyone down but this thread started out really good, as far as the approaches. Now they're just getting creepy. I think you're doing too many in your car. I'd never even want to date a girl that just accepts rides or proposals from complete strangers in that situation. Maybe it's just me there seems to be a fine line between being a DJ and a complete sleeze ball. I'm in no way calling you a sleeze ball avatar, but I was left with that feeling after reading the last few threads. It's not classy to be trying to pick women up from a car. Ever hear of Ted Bundy?

I understand what your saying Dingus. However, I think there are quite a few noticeable differences between me and Ted Bundy.

I have, although, ceased asking girls if they want a ride if you notice. I don't think there is any problem with some flirting while driving or at a red light and going for a #s close. If I don't then that is a missed opportunity in my eyes.

That is far from being a sleeze ball or creepy. Every girl I've done this with has been RECEPTIVE so I see no reason to stop. And the main reason would probably be because of the car I drive. If I was driving a honda civic around, I wouldn't even try these approaches. But you have no idea the kind immediate respect/attention driving a Z or similar/more expensive vehicles brings. If it takes 10 car approaches on HB9s+ to get 1, to me that is worth it.

 

[Dingus]

What's a Z?

I drive a 78 Datsun 280 Z. Will that work?

ROFL


I understand what you're saying as well. I was just putting myself in the girls perspective and I always wonder about the guys in clubs that hit on every single attractive woman there. However, I really like the approaches you made in the coffee shops. It really shows that you don't have to hang around just bars and clubs if you want to meet people. I no longer drink so I'm always looking for alternatives. I hate hanging in a club all night and being the only one sober, and frankly I can't stand drunk "party" girls. I guess I got my share of that scene during my first few years of college.

 

[HHloser2]

Gj man keep it up.

 

[wiggadude]

Question for Avatar and others

I like your car approaches to chicks in another car.

Since time is very limited (only 5 seconds before the light turns green), I had this idea of throwing my business card into her car when her window is down (AFTER talking to her, otherwise it's too weird).

Do you guys think that's ok? Throwing the business card in there AFTER she has reacted positively to getting coffee?

 

[Avatar]

Re: Question for Avatar and others

Originally posted by wiggadude
I like your car approaches to chicks in another car.

Since time is very limited (only 5 seconds before the light turns green), I had this idea of throwing my business card into her car when her window is down (AFTER talking to her, otherwise it's too weird).

Do you guys think that's ok? Throwing the business card in there AFTER she has reacted positively to getting coffee?

I assume you drive a nice car?

It's not a bad idea, but I think I would do it ONLY if she gave me her # as well. So basically your exchanging #s. YOU still must call her though. I think if you have a lot going for you in terms of your professional life, then the business card in her hands may have her anticipate you calling.

Now if she is receptive and the light turns green right away, you might as well say, "Hey here's my business card. Call or email me." But don't expect her to call you. 95% of girls won't.

Originally posted by wiggadude
What's a Z?

http://www.fast-autos.net/nissan/nissan350z.html

I do not intend to stop car to car approaches.

 

[JiGGhaMan]

Hey Avatar!

I started using your "Just wanted to talk to you for a couple of minutes before I leave" line and it has been working great. The last two times I used it, I got their phone number/email address. Of course I carried out a conversation for a few minutes first and then #closed/@closed.

The converstion was about what they were doing and how they were doing with their classes (I'm in college). And I wasn't using any kind of attraction or rapport techniques.

http://www.fast-autos.net/nissan/nissan350z.html

That IS a nice car. My uncle used to have the 300Z and he used to get comments from girls also.

Keep up the good work!

 

[Royal Elite]

Originally posted by JiGGhaMan
Hey Avatar!

I started using your "Just wanted to talk to you for a couple of minutes before I leave" line and it has been working great. The last two times I used it, I got their phone number/email address. Of course I carried out a conversation for a few minutes first and then #closed/@closed.

The converstion was about what they were doing and how they were doing with their classes (I'm in college). And I wasn't using any kind of attraction or rapport techniques.

Keep up the good work!

You see how simple it is when your actions and spirit are congruent or in synch. No games, just a simple I just wanted to talk before I leave. It worked cause it is the truth. Humans are aware on a instinctual level when someone isnt being straight with them. Learn to be straight with people, forgot all the games, and lines, just let your spirit and actions be congruent.