"Avatar's 25 approaches in February Journal"
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Saturday, February 12
Approach #16
Went to the club again Saturday night. Before going, went to meet a friend for a coffee at a bookstore/starbucks.
Saw what I thought was a HB8 looking at some magazines. Gorgeous figure. I got my coffee and thought I'd go for a hit and run. I went up to her:
ME: Excuse me, I'm sorry..but I was just heading out and wanted to get your name before I left.
(took about 3 seconds for it to click in her head what I had said)
HER: My name's Annie. (we shake)
ME: Well I'd love to chat for a minute Annie, but I'm sorta on the run (which was true). Are you single by chance?
HER: I'm really sorry..I have a boyfriend. I'm actually just buying him some magazines right now. (and she holds up 3 mens & fitness magazines..lol..I guess she wasn't lying.)
ME: Oh hey thats no problem. You have a great evening!
HER: You too (big smile)
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Approach #17
In the club I had this 5/10 all over me wanting to take me home. Was pretty drunk and almost did but my wingman saved me and dragged me away. It hurt my game that night as I spent way too much time with this hoe. Near the end of the night this approach stood out. I used the "different schools" line on a 7.5. She had so much interest in me that when her friends went to a different section of the bar, she still wouldn't leave my table. This was kinda annoying as at this point I was committed to spending time with her. I should have tried taking her home..thats the next part of my game I'm going to work on more. Perhaps a March Journal.
But of course I got her digits.
Approaches: 17
Total #s = 7
Car success = 1/6
Live Success = 6/11
Approach #16
Went to the club again Saturday night. Before going, went to meet a friend for a coffee at a bookstore/starbucks.
Saw what I thought was a HB8 looking at some magazines. Gorgeous figure. I got my coffee and thought I'd go for a hit and run. I went up to her:
ME: Excuse me, I'm sorry..but I was just heading out and wanted to get your name before I left.
(took about 3 seconds for it to click in her head what I had said)
HER: My name's Annie. (we shake)
ME: Well I'd love to chat for a minute Annie, but I'm sorta on the run (which was true). Are you single by chance?
HER: I'm really sorry..I have a boyfriend. I'm actually just buying him some magazines right now. (and she holds up 3 mens & fitness magazines..lol..I guess she wasn't lying.)
ME: Oh hey thats no problem. You have a great evening!
HER: You too (big smile)
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Approach #17
In the club I had this 5/10 all over me wanting to take me home. Was pretty drunk and almost did but my wingman saved me and dragged me away. It hurt my game that night as I spent way too much time with this hoe. Near the end of the night this approach stood out. I used the "different schools" line on a 7.5. She had so much interest in me that when her friends went to a different section of the bar, she still wouldn't leave my table. This was kinda annoying as at this point I was committed to spending time with her. I should have tried taking her home..thats the next part of my game I'm going to work on more. Perhaps a March Journal.
But of course I got her digits.
Approaches: 17
Total #s = 7
Car success = 1/6
Live Success = 6/11
stalluproar
Senior Don Juan
When you ask to take her/buy her a steak dinner. It comes across too explicit, needy, and frames her as the prize. It seems you aren't having too much success with that.
It is better to imply to hang out instead of being explicit.
Implied: "Maybe sometime we should hang out, do you have email? Then write your number next to it too."
Explicit: "I would like to take you to a Italian lunch. I'll call you sometime, what is your number?"
You are going to get better results. Plus you set up the meeting as, "I am going to hang out at Starbucks Wednesday afternoon, why don't you come and join me."
BTW, it sounds like you are progressing nicely.
It is better to imply to hang out instead of being explicit.
Implied: "Maybe sometime we should hang out, do you have email? Then write your number next to it too."
Explicit: "I would like to take you to a Italian lunch. I'll call you sometime, what is your number?"
You are going to get better results. Plus you set up the meeting as, "I am going to hang out at Starbucks Wednesday afternoon, why don't you come and join me."
BTW, it sounds like you are progressing nicely.
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Re: Re: Re: Question for Avatar and others
), you don't need a flashy car to pull off the car approach. (But a flashy car does help...immensely). I did some "car work" in my younger days driving an unmistakably "unflashy" car (not "embarrassing", just not "flashy"...."acceptable" is the right word). Got good results (I've got "looks" and "body", which you're probably going to need if you don't have "car", I should add). I should have taken it more seriously, though; a lot of the time it was just for a bit of fun, especially with buddies in the car. Avatar has inspired me actually, I think I'll start it again. Only thing is I don't spend anywhere near as much time as I used to "cruising" around, but it would be good for traffic lights.
Avatar, you are coming along very nicely dude. You are doing all these approaches, which is great, but I wanna ask you, how is your confidence coming along? I imagine it would be soaring. It would be good to see you keep it up, and don't prematurely LTR anything before you've sufficiently mastered the game (if that's what you want to do).
Yo wigga (sorry!
), you don't need a flashy car to pull off the car approach. (But a flashy car does help...immensely). I did some "car work" in my younger days driving an unmistakably "unflashy" car (not "embarrassing", just not "flashy"...."acceptable" is the right word). Got good results (I've got "looks" and "body", which you're probably going to need if you don't have "car", I should add). I should have taken it more seriously, though; a lot of the time it was just for a bit of fun, especially with buddies in the car. Avatar has inspired me actually, I think I'll start it again. Only thing is I don't spend anywhere near as much time as I used to "cruising" around, but it would be good for traffic lights. Avatar, you are coming along very nicely dude. You are doing all these approaches, which is great, but I wanna ask you, how is your confidence coming along? I imagine it would be soaring. It would be good to see you keep it up, and don't prematurely LTR anything before you've sufficiently mastered the game (if that's what you want to do).
I agree at this point. I think car to car I'm going to use a line similar to this: "Would you be up for a coffee sometime?"
BMW is money. I think your good man.
Yes I fully intend to keep this going past 25. I'm no longer having any nervousness when cold approaching a chick and let me tell you there is an unbelievable sense of control I now feel in my own life.
I think when I get into relationships now I can fully be the prize. In the past I knew the DJ techniques but they can never work unless you have many chicks on the go! I never realized this until now. Unless you have a roster or #s always coming in, you can never be the prize. The girl will always be on that pedastal whether you like it or not. Now if an HB8 does something I don't like, or tries playing games, I won't hesitate to move onto the next HB8 or play the games back without hesitation or regret.
Worth going for less than HB 10?
So I've always had serious oneitis. I liked this chick in 8th grade, and it took me until college to get over her (I saw her every day through high school).
In college I liked nobody. Then, last year I got my second huge crush. None of the two chicks were interested in me. Do the math -- 1st big crush in 1993, 2nd big crush in 2004. Now I'm 25. Not very good stats huh?
Anyway, I don't see why I should go for any chick that I don't have a total crush on. I've tried it before -- we just went with the flow, we had sex, kissed etc, it was lame. There was zero emotional connection and that's what it's all about.
I've learned that if I go with some chick that I don't have a huge crush on, we can have all the sex in the world, I just have zero interest.
How do I fix my problem? I don't see a solution, other than wait another 11 years until the next big crush comes along.
So I've always had serious oneitis. I liked this chick in 8th grade, and it took me until college to get over her (I saw her every day through high school).
In college I liked nobody. Then, last year I got my second huge crush. None of the two chicks were interested in me. Do the math -- 1st big crush in 1993, 2nd big crush in 2004. Now I'm 25. Not very good stats huh?
Anyway, I don't see why I should go for any chick that I don't have a total crush on. I've tried it before -- we just went with the flow, we had sex, kissed etc, it was lame. There was zero emotional connection and that's what it's all about.
I've learned that if I go with some chick that I don't have a huge crush on, we can have all the sex in the world, I just have zero interest.
How do I fix my problem? I don't see a solution, other than wait another 11 years until the next big crush comes along.
No, I'm really serious. This is my problem.
Between these two crushes there were smaller crushes, but they faded fast, and I wasn't all that interested in them.
But these two big crushes were different. I was seriously affected by them, can't really explain it. In each case I thought I had found my soulmate. But of course they didn't think so.
Between these two crushes there were smaller crushes, but they faded fast, and I wasn't all that interested in them.
But these two big crushes were different. I was seriously affected by them, can't really explain it. In each case I thought I had found my soulmate. But of course they didn't think so.
Originally posted by HHloser2
^^your kidding?
Ok boyz time for an update. I have good news and bads news.
Here is the bad news:
My x-gf called me and begged me to spend v-day with her. My plans were to go out and make a few approaches and perhaps hit up a bar with some friends later. I decided however to spend the night with her. We watched Boogyman. After seeing that movie I knew this was a mistake..that movie was terrible. So anyways, no approaches the last few days, but have no fear, we'll get them rocking and rolling again soon when I find some targets. I have a very busy week business wise but I'll do my best!
Now the good news. I thought it was time to utilize some of these #s. Made 2 calls tonight. Both between 9:15-9:45pm. Seems like the best time to me for the 1st call.
1st call was the HB8.5 (future doctor) who I met at the bar on Friday night. Only problem with this relationship potential is we live 2 hours apart.
She remembered me and was real happy to hear from me. We chatted for 5 minutes before I asked her what she was up to this weekend. She said she had 4 exams the following week all in 2 days and didn't think she should be going out. The following week she had reading week and had to go back home. I told her I'd be in town visiting a friend this saturday after she told me and she said well if you are around I'm sure I can spare a few to meet up. I said that sounds good..I'll you know. And we agreed to use msn messanger. Big mistake? I'm thinking so and will just use e-mail instead. I rate her IL at 6.5/10. I think I'll get a date with her eventually.
So phone call #2 was to the HB8.5 I met last Monday (8 days ago) at chapters/starbucks. I had tried calling her once on Wednesday but no one was home/no answering machine. A guy picked up and I asked for her. She comes on and when I said who I was she was absolutely estatic. She was saying she didn't think I was gonna call and was thinking about me. She has an amazing voice on the phone. This is the same girl that told me she has never had a guy hit on her in a coffee shop the way I did before. After 5 minutes of flowing convo I said, are you free this weekend? And she said yes. Her interest level is through the roof. She has a bright future career wise and she lives only 30 minutes away. I rate her interest level at 10/10.
We're going rock climbing Saturday.
Tomorrow I'm going to call the 7.5 I met in the club on Saturday who wouldn't leave my side and grab a date for Friday.
Here is the bad news:
My x-gf called me and begged me to spend v-day with her. My plans were to go out and make a few approaches and perhaps hit up a bar with some friends later. I decided however to spend the night with her. We watched Boogyman. After seeing that movie I knew this was a mistake..that movie was terrible. So anyways, no approaches the last few days, but have no fear, we'll get them rocking and rolling again soon when I find some targets. I have a very busy week business wise but I'll do my best!
Now the good news. I thought it was time to utilize some of these #s. Made 2 calls tonight. Both between 9:15-9:45pm. Seems like the best time to me for the 1st call.
1st call was the HB8.5 (future doctor) who I met at the bar on Friday night. Only problem with this relationship potential is we live 2 hours apart.
She remembered me and was real happy to hear from me. We chatted for 5 minutes before I asked her what she was up to this weekend. She said she had 4 exams the following week all in 2 days and didn't think she should be going out. The following week she had reading week and had to go back home. I told her I'd be in town visiting a friend this saturday after she told me and she said well if you are around I'm sure I can spare a few to meet up. I said that sounds good..I'll you know. And we agreed to use msn messanger. Big mistake? I'm thinking so and will just use e-mail instead. I rate her IL at 6.5/10. I think I'll get a date with her eventually.
So phone call #2 was to the HB8.5 I met last Monday (8 days ago) at chapters/starbucks. I had tried calling her once on Wednesday but no one was home/no answering machine. A guy picked up and I asked for her. She comes on and when I said who I was she was absolutely estatic. She was saying she didn't think I was gonna call and was thinking about me. She has an amazing voice on the phone. This is the same girl that told me she has never had a guy hit on her in a coffee shop the way I did before. After 5 minutes of flowing convo I said, are you free this weekend? And she said yes. Her interest level is through the roof. She has a bright future career wise and she lives only 30 minutes away. I rate her interest level at 10/10.
We're going rock climbing Saturday.
Tomorrow I'm going to call the 7.5 I met in the club on Saturday who wouldn't leave my side and grab a date for Friday.
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
How was the date?
Ok guys, time to dust this journal off. I serious didn't have one target for about 5-6 days straight. Didn't have time to visit any coffee shops, bookstores, or universities.
Anyways come Saturday here is
Approach #18
I'm with my buddy at a Liquor store stocking up for the night and I'm in a different aisle than him and I hear, "yo avatar, come here for a minute". I come over and there is this HB8 with him. This guy is an awesome wingman of mine (he's in a LTR which makes it great). He says this lady needs help finding a 40 of Tanq gin. Is it this bottle (he holds up a mickey) or this bottle (holds up the 40). I said this one and she said thanks, I gave it to her and I hesitated too long. I needed to crack a C+F there but blew it. So she walks away. I look at my buddy and said.."don't say it..I know I missed that..it's been like 5 days and I'm rusty".
So then we grab our liquor and she is at the end of the line up and here is my chance for redemption. I come up behind her and she has 3 bottles of liquor. I said
ME: "I hope you are going to save some of that for the morning too."
HER: (giggling) "It's not all for me of course"
We fluff talk for 2 minutes! I nailed some good C+Fs but I never felt the opportunity to ask her for her # as I missed the name intro stage which I feel is very important. She was definately interested in me though because she was asking me questions about myself. See what a week off can do to you? Anyways she says bye and leaves with her goods. I said to my buddy afterwards, I didn't feel right getting asking for her # there. He said you should have asked for her email address. And I think he was right in this situation.
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Approach #19
Didn't actually drink much that night. Half a micky of vodka on the rocks before the bar. Found this HB9 (models) who I had the digits of a few months ago but lost! She was all over me at the bar and she was giving me buying signs for the night, however, she went to the washroom and I saw this HB7.5 sitting down with her friend staring at me. I had to go over and say hi and I led in with the "didn't we go to different schools together" line. It worked well. She was definately into me but after 10 minutes I thought I better go find that HB9. I went over to the next table where one of my bro's were and I said did you see the HB9? He said yes, two minutes ago she saw you sitting down with that girl and stormed off. Needless to say, I never saw the HB9 again that night!!
So back to this HB7.5. Got her digits. But I need to dig up that damn HB9s digits. She was HOT.
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Alright now it's February 22 and I'll have 6 more days to nail 6 approaches. I know I slacked for the last week but as I explained in my first approach I chose a conservative # of 25 approaches because I wasn't sure how much time I would have this month. I will however reach my goal even if I have to go to a university for 2 hours and approach 6 girls.
Approaches: 19
Total #s = 8
Car success = 1/6
Live Success = 7/11
Anyways come Saturday here is
Approach #18
I'm with my buddy at a Liquor store stocking up for the night and I'm in a different aisle than him and I hear, "yo avatar, come here for a minute". I come over and there is this HB8 with him. This guy is an awesome wingman of mine (he's in a LTR which makes it great). He says this lady needs help finding a 40 of Tanq gin. Is it this bottle (he holds up a mickey) or this bottle (holds up the 40). I said this one and she said thanks, I gave it to her and I hesitated too long. I needed to crack a C+F there but blew it. So she walks away. I look at my buddy and said.."don't say it..I know I missed that..it's been like 5 days and I'm rusty".
So then we grab our liquor and she is at the end of the line up and here is my chance for redemption. I come up behind her and she has 3 bottles of liquor. I said
ME: "I hope you are going to save some of that for the morning too."
HER: (giggling) "It's not all for me of course"
We fluff talk for 2 minutes! I nailed some good C+Fs but I never felt the opportunity to ask her for her # as I missed the name intro stage which I feel is very important. She was definately interested in me though because she was asking me questions about myself. See what a week off can do to you? Anyways she says bye and leaves with her goods. I said to my buddy afterwards, I didn't feel right getting asking for her # there. He said you should have asked for her email address. And I think he was right in this situation.
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Approach #19
Didn't actually drink much that night. Half a micky of vodka on the rocks before the bar. Found this HB9 (models) who I had the digits of a few months ago but lost! She was all over me at the bar and she was giving me buying signs for the night, however, she went to the washroom and I saw this HB7.5 sitting down with her friend staring at me. I had to go over and say hi and I led in with the "didn't we go to different schools together" line. It worked well. She was definately into me but after 10 minutes I thought I better go find that HB9. I went over to the next table where one of my bro's were and I said did you see the HB9? He said yes, two minutes ago she saw you sitting down with that girl and stormed off. Needless to say, I never saw the HB9 again that night!!
So back to this HB7.5. Got her digits. But I need to dig up that damn HB9s digits. She was HOT.
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Alright now it's February 22 and I'll have 6 more days to nail 6 approaches. I know I slacked for the last week but as I explained in my first approach I chose a conservative # of 25 approaches because I wasn't sure how much time I would have this month. I will however reach my goal even if I have to go to a university for 2 hours and approach 6 girls.
Approaches: 19
Total #s = 8
Car success = 1/6
Live Success = 7/11
-HPNOTIQ-
Master Don Juan
Bro. VERY good stuff.
You've made me re-think my own approaches. The more I read your approaches, the more simplistic it boils down to.
"Hi...I couldn't pass up this opportunity to get your name."
"Hi...I was just sitting over there and before I leave, I just wanted to know what your name is."
"Hi...I'm Avatar...what's your name."
Its simple and to the point. It works better than any other fluff opening because the woman notices you from the start while you are walking towards her, she KNOWS what you want. "What's your name" opener works wonders also because you don't have to make something up on a dime, talking about the weather, or what kind of book she's reading - thus, makes it easier to keep with the 3 second rule. The line that is said after the opener should be what is unique to the situation.
"what kind of book are you reading?"
"didn't we go to the same university?"
"nice car....wanna f*ck?"
hahaha..and so on.
In respect to your technique. Keep it up. Its funny how quickly a person can get rusty when they stop or take a couple days or a week off from the desire to do cold PUs. My advice, DJ everyone. Men, women, children, young and old. Sounds creepy? But I use the definition of DJ in a different respect than just banging women.
To DJ everyone means to make everyone around you feel like they are someone special. Make everyone around you WANT to be around you. Be that guy that is on top of his game everyday.
There was a great quote on here a couple years back, so I can't take credit for this one...not sure who originally posted it.
"The goal is to make a woman feel unique, vibrant, and ALIVE when she is in your presence. When she feels these things, she will have the DESIRE to be with you again."
When you DJ everyone and make everyone naturally attracted to your presence, it becomes second nature to approach women.
Keep up the good work bro..
You've made me re-think my own approaches. The more I read your approaches, the more simplistic it boils down to.
"Hi...I couldn't pass up this opportunity to get your name."
"Hi...I was just sitting over there and before I leave, I just wanted to know what your name is."
"Hi...I'm Avatar...what's your name."
Its simple and to the point. It works better than any other fluff opening because the woman notices you from the start while you are walking towards her, she KNOWS what you want. "What's your name" opener works wonders also because you don't have to make something up on a dime, talking about the weather, or what kind of book she's reading - thus, makes it easier to keep with the 3 second rule. The line that is said after the opener should be what is unique to the situation.
"what kind of book are you reading?"
"didn't we go to the same university?"
"nice car....wanna f*ck?"
hahaha..and so on.
In respect to your technique. Keep it up. Its funny how quickly a person can get rusty when they stop or take a couple days or a week off from the desire to do cold PUs. My advice, DJ everyone. Men, women, children, young and old. Sounds creepy? But I use the definition of DJ in a different respect than just banging women.
To DJ everyone means to make everyone around you feel like they are someone special. Make everyone around you WANT to be around you. Be that guy that is on top of his game everyday.
There was a great quote on here a couple years back, so I can't take credit for this one...not sure who originally posted it.
"The goal is to make a woman feel unique, vibrant, and ALIVE when she is in your presence. When she feels these things, she will have the DESIRE to be with you again."
When you DJ everyone and make everyone naturally attracted to your presence, it becomes second nature to approach women.
Keep up the good work bro..
awsome
The car to car aproaches are pretty sweet. (I own a 2001 Red Mustang GT) and if that dont work i always have a 1965 red vette at my disposal lol. (fridn of mine has a sonic blue 350Z))
Anyway only thing i wonder is what is involved in your fluff talk. I seam to be able to talk to gals easy but after the intro i stumble with either booring topics or foot in mouth desese trying to pull off a c&f. I just need practice but some tips would be great.
The car to car aproaches are pretty sweet. (I own a 2001 Red Mustang GT) and if that dont work i always have a 1965 red vette at my disposal lol. (fridn of mine has a sonic blue 350Z))
Anyway only thing i wonder is what is involved in your fluff talk. I seam to be able to talk to gals easy but after the intro i stumble with either booring topics or foot in mouth desese trying to pull off a c&f. I just need practice but some tips would be great.
Don_Joffe
Senior Don Juan
Dude, dont the approaches that you dont succeed in somehow lower your confidence? Im doing a bootcamp now, Im in week1- Somehow i started off really well with my HI'S but I cant seem to maintain the consistencey and I feel my confidence has dropped(Go read the thread). Thats the first question.
Second: Their is an article on sosuave about not approaching girls in your car, its creepy for them. Rather, stop the car, park it, and walk up to the girl(its much better).
Second: Their is an article on sosuave about not approaching girls in your car, its creepy for them. Rather, stop the car, park it, and walk up to the girl(its much better).
Thanks for the compliments. I'm glad I've helped!
And I like your tip about be a Don Juan to everyone I come into contact with. Great advice.
well my fluff talk is directed mainly at them however many posters say not to talk about yourself. I fully DISAGREE with this. There is a fine line but if this chick is going to go on a date with you, she wants to know a little about you. I try to express my values and where I'm going in life without bragging. Everyone has stuff going for them. I have a lot going for me and any girl I approach should be honored that I have approached them. However they won't know this unless you make it clear somehow! Figure out what you have going for you and use it as a selling feature. With that said, I follow about a 70% her / 30% me ratio.
And always get the digits on a high note..you be the one that ends the convo.
For information on how to fluff talk I suggest reading some conversational posts in the DJ bible.
Don your question has inspired me to write the follow post:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=620222#post620222
To answer your question, I absolutely love getting rejected. Its sick ain't it? You see I truly realize now its a #s game and every rejection is one step closer to my dream girl.