Originally posted by AlwaysExcel
Hey rgeere, I can vouch for Gunwitch's advice because losing my inhibitions about showing my sexual state and engaging a girl in playful
dominant kino, boosted my game immensely. I've had a lot of success escalating really fast with strange girls. A girl happily remarked last weekend, after I wall slammed her in a club and spanked her ass after 15 minutes of knowing her, that I'm "not afraid to express myself." Gotta love female euphenisms.
That's great, I'm glad you found encouragement to assert yourself.I can also vouch for gunwitch. I agree with him in concept, but not entirely in principle. I guess you can say we have two diffrent ways to reach the same end goal. I don't think we are actually to far off in thinking when it comes to attracting women.
But I'm interested in what you're saying and want to hear more. I don't quite understand this concept of "trust" and how it fits into seduction. She's trusting you to not hurt her in what way? Physically or psychologically or both?
Now, I'm not talking about believeing in the myth that women are weak creatures and that you should step on eggshells around them, that's what an AFC believes. That belief will get you taken advantage of by a smart woman who means you nothing but trouble in a hurry. Granted, a man really should save himself the trouble of meeting these types of girls in the first place. It depends on who you choose to hang around.
If you are an abusive person, you would find other abusive people. If you are a good person, you would find other good people. If you seek out the good and are good, then you will find a reason to trust people. The same with those who are bad in that you will only find reason to mistrust people. In life, everything comes around full circle, and you will reap what you sow be that good or bad for you in the end.
What I am going to say is really more of the DJ concept than a player or seducer concept [many fuse them together mistakingly]. You may not be familiar with some of the psychological terminology. I suppose I'll just assume everyone knows, and if not people can ask.
What I mean by trust is that instead of isolating sex from a woman [as would a player], you embrace the whole of the woman to entice her to come closer to you. Basically, all parts that form her inner self are stimulated, that being mental, physical, spiritual, emotional, and sexual. However, the real diffrence lies in the fact that there is real honesty involved. There are no false-faces, ****y-funny becomes close to unnecessary, you display real confidence, you are positive, fit, and sharp, and most importantly you change the things that can be changed, and accept those things that can't; meaning the acception of both your strength and your weaknesses as they stand in both yourself and others, and even more so you live up to your God given potential [something many people need to do more of].
Now, as far as hurt is concerned, if you neglect or reject any part of the five parts of 'self' in you or in others, that can lead to distance, abuse, or a failed relationship. This is really the strongest place where the Gunwitch method fails, in that it emphasises the isolation of the sexual side of a person and disregards the other parts. Basically, anyone who uses the method as an attempt to form relationships will fail, miserably. It is really only good to teach men to become disruptive annoyances of society with the strict purpose
of sexual gratification at the cost of others.
As far as the Gunwitch method is concerned, I would fit the principles presented and the motivation behind them closer to the player category in that there is a underlining basic encouragement for the disregard of others in some form or another disguised within blurbs of blatent positivity.
First, the intent is to destroy the purpose of marriage on the basis that it was instituted by beta males to avoid competition with alpha males through a barter system. This in itself actually contains truth, but it is a rationalized half-truth. This is a lie considering the
basis that the early laws that shaped the origional fabrics of society were instituted by alpha males to protect the underdog, and not vice-versa as Gunwitch suggest. It is absolutly rediculous to think that beta males would be able to hold their barter and marriage customs without some respect and support from those stronger than them. The fact that these customs have survived even to this day in some countries shows an act of cooperation and not deviance and defiance from others stronger around them.
Second, the encouragement to disregard the thought that a woman you are suducing might actually be married without first finding out. You are taught to basically live in the moment of heat and go by your gut. In all honestly, there is absolutly nothing wrong with being driven by your horniness and your testosterone when it is directed appropiatelly, and it is suppose to be that way. But you arn't suppose to use your God given means of manliness to break up a home or to dissolve the support children need to grow into happy, healthy, and mature individuals just for a little of your selfish self-gratification; this totally goes against the way a man should naturally be acting in all aspects.
Third, the premise that having sex with a woman as quickly as possible would be better than forming a relationship with her or actually helps to form a relationship. This is flawed on the basis that there is still an isolation of the basic parts of a person involved and there lies no indication that there is any long-run compatability. This is unhealthy on the premise that you are involving someone in your life that you
do not know whether you can accept, which can lead to break-ups or an abusive relationship.
There might be more of these, but these are what I remember disagreeing with. I might find more disagreements and similarities when I find the time to reread the Gunwitch method.
Why would someone be mistrustful of playfulness? Is it the fact that you're a stranger?
Maybe, it depends on your approach. If it works for you and you get positive results, then use it. I'm not biased against an unharmful principle that works and gets results.
What's an acceptable level of trust to start being playful in your opinion? What are signs that she trusts you? How do you test for these signs?
Basically when she feels comfortable enough to be touched by you, unless you are awkward or something.
How do you go about building this trust? Do you build trust right off the bat or after some sort of initial attract phase? What is acceptable "pre-trust" attract material in your opinion?
Thanks!
Trust should be something that is being build all along. If you can't build trust, then you arn't going to get anywhere with a woman. It's common sense.
