Attraction: can it REALLY be built, or does it already have to somewhat be there?

[Omen]

It all depends, and you can never really pinpoint what goes on in a womans head.

For instance, I work with a girl who is attractive. Now she's not the hottest of them all, but she's attractive enough. Something about her makes her MORE attractive than the other girls. It may be her sense of listening, stubbornness, attitude, or many other things. The thing is, I REALLY want this one, and she's not the type I may have ever thought about. I'd be like... Yeah she's cute, but there is more to it. There is another girl at work, while attractive too and a nice rack, she just doesn't do it for me like she does for other guys. There isn't this energy there. I mean I dont speak to her much, but even if I did, I dont think this one would grow on me that much. AND... She has a bigger rack, and finer booty then the one I like.

The girl I like is good at playing games. She says she wants to be friends, or says things of the sorts, and then next thing you know, you tell her something sexy, and she'll fire back with... Oh I can melt ice on my stomach too, and it'll cost you $20 to see it.

She hides it, and then doesn't. I think she's just WANTING me to chase her, but I do the other and have her chase me, and it works.

She thought at first maybe friend attraction, but she is changing. The more I talk to her, the more she changes. Her first initial impression was off, and now cause she cant have me, and I play hard to get, she wants me more.

Always tries to make me jealous that I dont have her, but it doesn't work.

She is seeing more confidence in me than in others, and she is finding that I am not just easy, and that I am hard to pick up.

Maybe at first she wasn't as attracted to me as I was to her, but people grow on one another. As is the case with her too.

A lot of recent word play and talk has been building the attraction more. This can easily happen.

 

[The Deacon]

...and thats my question. I know alot of friends that got with their GF's because the girl was slightly interested/attracted to them first. This made getting together with them an easier task and all they had to do was not mess up. So, what do you guys think?

I think that the attraction has to be there at first. Think about it. Out of 100 girls that you find attractive, how many do you actually hook up with? At least one if you're DECENT at dating.

Women are different though. They can be physically attracted, but if you don't push the right buttons they won't be receptive to your advances. Like, if you look like a total dweeb while talking to her, you come on too strong, etc, they'll blow you out IN SPITE of the physical attraction. Girls who don't reject guys that they're attracted to end up being labeled sluts. There are a lot of people out there who are good-looking who have no game. Their looks don't hold them back, but their awkward social skillset does.

 

[TheRealSupreme]

I think that the attraction has to be there at first. Think about it. Out of 100 girls that you find attractive, how many do you actually hook up with? At least one if you're DECENT at dating.

Women are different though. They can be physically attracted, but if you don't push the right buttons they won't be receptive to your advances. Like, if you look like a total dweeb while talking to her, you come on too strong, etc, they'll blow you out IN SPITE of the physical attraction. Girls who don't reject guys that they're attracted to end up being labeled sluts. There are a lot of people out there who are good-looking who have no game. Their looks don't hold them back, but their awkward social skillset does.

I agree also. It is so unfortunate that smart marketers have fool so many with those claims of I was a short fat balding guy and now I date models.

Yeah they date em now cause they got doe in their pockets making money off the suckers on the internet.

I have listened to a audio program about internet marketing. They recommended this field because it was target rich. That means full of pleebs with money in their hands and ready to buy. Now the people they are recommending this field too have nothing to do with seduction.

Google seduction and you will get a ton of ads all mimicing each other.

Then you hear the famed attraction isn't a choice. What you didn't hear was that yeah it can be that way due to ancient programming with women to seek out the dominant males within a environment. Which has nothing to do with how it is being used.

I have interviewed tons of women on this subject which is why I push my way of doing the dating game.

Here is the ultimate secret that the guru's don't want you to know.

"Women know within 5 seconds of meeting you if they will have sex with you or not."

And once that initial impression is made you can rarely get back lost ground if your in the not catagory.

What the guru's also don't want you to know is:

"Women do the choosing"

I am fortunate that I was schooled in this by masters of the game before I came accross it's opposite belief.

A lot of guys who have insecure complexes running around like to run around yelling that women are stupid and this and that.

Sorry to wake you up but that isn't so. Women are actually very intelligent and sensitive. They have this inner radar that the guru's don't want you to know about.

They get a gut feeling for a person.

They can smell fear on a man at 50 paces practically.

I know someone is gonna disagree with my almost 30 years at this games worth of experience and learning. That is ok. I don't really care.

For those of you still reading, I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if women are not feeling you period, there is NO way you can come back from that.

They may talk to you if they are not feeling any kind of sexual vibe for you but that only puts you in friend zone.

By now there is someone hoping to get out of friendzone here reading desperately. Sorry again but that rarely happens. When it does the girl feels guilty and makes the guy promise not to mention it or they have gotten drunk and did something stupid more often than not.

So women must feel some level of attraction for you for her even to go out with you. The secret is that this happens within seconds of meeting you if not before.

I know you guys have been barraged with stuff from the PUA community that yells at you to just keep trying and sarge harder and do a boyfriend destroyer and on and on and on.

What do those guys do?

Read what one PUA instructor in Europe wrote to me the other day:

"The PUA Gurus.
You`re absolutely right. I have been to Pickup seminars in the past
and what the "Guru" did was your game. He was looking for eyecontact and got
in where he could fit in. Simple as that."

Who does he hang out with:

they
are the top 1% of the PUAs who actually are very successful.

Notice he says they are successful. Not very successful. But not at what they are preaching. But good old fashioned game methods.

Women will look at men they are interested in. You just have to catch em at it.

What do you do if they are not giving up eye contact?

That means you got a real problem in your game that needs to be addressed. You won't find it in running up in her face yelling stories at her while she is rolling her eyes.

You will find it either in your inner or outter game.

Outter as in how you look. If you show up in a printed nerdy teeshirt and skinny jeans and flat stomper tennis shoes on...and you start running around trying to be sociable up in hotties faces you might just get spit on like someone on here had happen.

How would you like for her to show up in run down tennis shoes and a old dirty skirt...no make up and bad hair?

It's the same for women.

Look like a winner and they will start noticing you.

 

[DJVladdy]

Dong was banned? Aww that's too bad... i had fun making fun of him for his rediculous tell-tales, especially when he said he (I'll never forget this) "grew up fvcking strippers" LOL that was funny. Also his seduction "advice" were particularly comical. Sux hes gone from here though.

 

[ketostix]

I agree also. It is so unfortunate that smart marketers have fool so many with those claims of I was a short fat balding guy and now I date models.

Yeah they date em now cause they got doe in their pockets making money off the suckers on the internet.

I have listened to a audio program about internet marketing. They recommended this field because it was target rich. That means full of pleebs with money in their hands and ready to buy. Now the people they are recommending this field too have nothing to do with seduction.

Google seduction and you will get a ton of ads all mimicing each other.

Then you hear the famed attraction isn't a choice. What you didn't hear was that yeah it can be that way due to ancient programming with women to seek out the dominant males within a environment. Which has nothing to do with how it is being used.

I have interviewed tons of women on this subject which is why I push my way of doing the dating game.

Here is the ultimate secret that the guru's don't want you to know.

"Women know within 5 seconds of meeting you if they will have sex with you or not."

And once that initial impression is made you can rarely get back lost ground if your in the not catagory.

What the guru's also don't want you to know is:

"Women do the choosing"

I am fortunate that I was schooled in this by masters of the game before I came accross it's opposite belief.

A lot of guys who have insecure complexes running around like to run around yelling that women are stupid and this and that.

Sorry to wake you up but that isn't so. Women are actually very intelligent and sensitive. They have this inner radar that the guru's don't want you to know about.

They get a gut feeling for a person.

They can smell fear on a man at 50 paces practically.

I know someone is gonna disagree with my almost 30 years at this games worth of experience and learning. That is ok. I don't really care.

For those of you still reading, I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if women are not feeling you period, there is NO way you can come back from that.

They may talk to you if they are not feeling any kind of sexual vibe for you but that only puts you in friend zone.

By now there is someone hoping to get out of friendzone here reading desperately. Sorry again but that rarely happens. When it does the girl feels guilty and makes the guy promise not to mention it or they have gotten drunk and did something stupid more often than not.

So women must feel some level of attraction for you for her even to go out with you. The secret is that this happens within seconds of meeting you if not before.

I know you guys have been barraged with stuff from the PUA community that yells at you to just keep trying and sarge harder and do a boyfriend destroyer and on and on and on.

What do those guys do?

Read what one PUA instructor in Europe wrote to me the other day:



Who does he hang out with:



Notice he says they are successful. Not very successful. But not at what they are preaching. But good old fashioned game methods.

Women will look at men they are interested in. You just have to catch em at it.

What do you do if they are not giving up eye contact?

That means you got a real problem in your game that needs to be addressed. You won't find it in running up in her face yelling stories at her while she is rolling her eyes.

You will find it either in your inner or outter game.

Outter as in how you look. If you show up in a printed nerdy teeshirt and skinny jeans and flat stomper tennis shoes on...and you start running around trying to be sociable up in hotties faces you might just get spit on like someone on here had happen.

How would you like for her to show up in run down tennis shoes and a old dirty skirt...no make up and bad hair?

It's the same for women.

Look like a winner and they will start noticing you.

I pretty much agree with this. You can only amplify attraction or kill it. The only thing I will say, again, women don't always throw an IOI but if she's not giving you anythng after you do approach her the odds are there's no attraction there and nothing you do is going to change that.

 

[Entropy4]

I agree also. It is so unfortunate that smart marketers have fool so many with those claims of I was a short fat balding guy and now I date models.

Yeah they date em now cause they got doe in their pockets making money off the suckers on the internet.

I have listened to a audio program about internet marketing. They recommended this field because it was target rich. That means full of pleebs with money in their hands and ready to buy. Now the people they are recommending this field too have nothing to do with seduction.

Google seduction and you will get a ton of ads all mimicing each other.

Then you hear the famed attraction isn't a choice. What you didn't hear was that yeah it can be that way due to ancient programming with women to seek out the dominant males within a environment. Which has nothing to do with how it is being used.

I have interviewed tons of women on this subject which is why I push my way of doing the dating game.

Here is the ultimate secret that the guru's don't want you to know.

"Women know within 5 seconds of meeting you if they will have sex with you or not."

And once that initial impression is made you can rarely get back lost ground if your in the not catagory.

What the guru's also don't want you to know is:

"Women do the choosing"

I am fortunate that I was schooled in this by masters of the game before I came accross it's opposite belief.

A lot of guys who have insecure complexes running around like to run around yelling that women are stupid and this and that.

Sorry to wake you up but that isn't so. Women are actually very intelligent and sensitive. They have this inner radar that the guru's don't want you to know about.

They get a gut feeling for a person.

They can smell fear on a man at 50 paces practically.

I know someone is gonna disagree with my almost 30 years at this games worth of experience and learning. That is ok. I don't really care.

For those of you still reading, I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if women are not feeling you period, there is NO way you can come back from that.

They may talk to you if they are not feeling any kind of sexual vibe for you but that only puts you in friend zone.

By now there is someone hoping to get out of friendzone here reading desperately. Sorry again but that rarely happens. When it does the girl feels guilty and makes the guy promise not to mention it or they have gotten drunk and did something stupid more often than not.

So women must feel some level of attraction for you for her even to go out with you. The secret is that this happens within seconds of meeting you if not before.

I know you guys have been barraged with stuff from the PUA community that yells at you to just keep trying and sarge harder and do a boyfriend destroyer and on and on and on.

What do those guys do?

Read what one PUA instructor in Europe wrote to me the other day:



Who does he hang out with:



Notice he says they are successful. Not very successful. But not at what they are preaching. But good old fashioned game methods.

Women will look at men they are interested in. You just have to catch em at it.

What do you do if they are not giving up eye contact?

That means you got a real problem in your game that needs to be addressed. You won't find it in running up in her face yelling stories at her while she is rolling her eyes.

You will find it either in your inner or outter game.

Outter as in how you look. If you show up in a printed nerdy teeshirt and skinny jeans and flat stomper tennis shoes on...and you start running around trying to be sociable up in hotties faces you might just get spit on like someone on here had happen.

How would you like for her to show up in run down tennis shoes and a old dirty skirt...no make up and bad hair?

It's the same for women.

Look like a winner and they will start noticing you.

First of all, I find it ironic that you bash "marketers" in this industry while you're unabashedly marketing yourself -- speaking of your "secrets" and stuff "the gurus don't want you to know" and your "30 years of experience".

Second of all, you're full of sh!t. I've seen WAY too many counterexamples WITH MY OWN EYES to what you have said. I stick by my previous statement: anyone who says attraction can't be built from scratch HAS NOT BEEN OUT IN FIELD ENOUGH. It happens ALL THE TIME. Just because you're too chicken**** to stick it out and do it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. No. Instead, it's so much easier to congregate on a message board together and pontificate the theories of attraction and how, gosh darnit, we just don't have a chance to begin with, do we? **** THAT!

- I have seen an aging 30-something year old man, with a plaid shirt and old jeans, walk into the largest club in a major city and bathroom pull three HOT girls in two nights. I watched him do it.

- I've seen a 5'3" asian guy pull a stripper. With what? His great looks? No, with his humor, his charm, and his ability to build attraction through conversation and touching.

- I've watched a scrawny geeky college kid date a multi-millionaire corporate lawyer and get showered with thousands of dollars of gifts.

- I've ****ed multiple girls who I was "in the friend zone" with for years. How? I changed my attitude, changed how I interacted with them, and changed how I was.

So don't tell me this bull**** that they decide within five seconds and then you're done. Sure, they may decide within five seconds, and then they change their minds later, and then they change their minds again, and again. You, of all people, should know that women base these things on how you MAKE THEM FEEL. You may make them feel creeped out at first, but if you don't stop you can make them feel amazing for days, weeks or months.

What a defeatist way of looking at things. "I'm not cool enough to get looked at so I can't bang a girl." WTF? You might as well never bother with these boards in the first place.

People make such a big deal out of the approach. As long as you're calm and confident, IT DOESN'T MATTER. You can do whatever you want. SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. I opened a girl by asking if I could pee in her butt. ****ER HER. I opened a girl by offering to sell dead babies out of my trunk. ****ED HER. I had a girl slap me within 10 seconds of knowing me. ****ED HER.

Seriously, quit spreading this nonsense. And my God, to the people replying and agreeing. Have a little faith in yourselves. PLEASE! YOU ARE CAPABLE OF SO MUCH MORE!

YOU CAN DO ANYTHING AND GET WITH ANY GIRL YOU WANT. It doesn't matter what product you get. It doesn't matter what "guru" you read. It doesn't matter who you go out with. IT COMES DOWN TO DOING IT. Are you willing to put in the effort? How bad do you want it? Because if you want it bad enough you can have it. You can have any girl. I've seen too many guys go from nothings to somethings with my own eyes to believe this crap you guys are posting on this thread.

Stop keyboard jockeying and start approaching. Jesus Christ...

 

[The Deacon]

YOU CAN DO ANYTHING AND GET WITH ANY GIRL YOU WANT. It doesn't matter what product you get. It doesn't matter what "guru" you read. It doesn't matter who you go out with. IT COMES DOWN TO DOING IT. Are you willing to put in the effort? How bad do you want it? Because if you want it bad enough you can have it. You can have any girl. I've seen too many guys go from nothings to somethings with my own eyes to believe this crap you guys are posting on this thread.

Entropy, I pretty much agree with everything you said (except what contradicted my previous point)

Let me play semantics here. What does "somewhat there" mean?

I thought about that long and hard. You see, this girl that I really liked in high school who I never got to hook up with told me (after the fact) that she thought I was a "dream boat." She just wouldn't date me because I was a dweeb, and would ruin her "popular" image. In spite of that, we're still on speaking terms.

See, I thought that she blew me out because she didn't have ANY attraction for me. The fact of the matter is, she was attracted but didn't want to date me because I had low social value. Bless her soul, she's a freakin high school girl dating all the popular jocks. She just didn't want to go through the grief of her friends saying "why are you that dweeb's girlfriend?"

Entropy, I agree with you that action has to be taken to get a girl. Anyone who doesn't believe that is a dumbfuck, hell, EVERYONE here knows that. However, I have this belief that raw physical attraction comes from how someone looks, and as long as everything works out socially, BAM, you have a hookup.

 

[potato]

Second of all, you're full of sh!t. I've seen WAY too many counterexamples WITH MY OWN EYES to what you have said. I stick by my previous statement: anyone who says attraction can't be built from scratch HAS NOT BEEN OUT IN FIELD ENOUGH. It happens ALL THE TIME. Just because you're too chicken**** to stick it out and do it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. No. Instead, it's so much easier to congregate on a message board together and pontificate the theories of attraction and how, gosh darnit, we just don't have a chance to begin with, do we? **** THAT!

- I have seen an aging 30-something year old man, with a plaid shirt and old jeans, walk into the largest club in a major city and bathroom pull three HOT girls in two nights. I watched him do it.

- I've seen a 5'3" asian guy pull a stripper. With what? His great looks? No, with his humor, his charm, and his ability to build attraction through conversation and touching.

- I've watched a scrawny geeky college kid date a multi-millionaire corporate lawyer and get showered with thousands of dollars of gifts.

- I've ****ed multiple girls who I was "in the friend zone" with for years. How? I changed my attitude, changed how I interacted with them, and changed how I was.

So don't tell me this bull**** that they decide within five seconds and then you're done. Sure, they may decide within five seconds, and then they change their minds later, and then they change their minds again, and again. You, of all people, should know that women base these things on how you MAKE THEM FEEL. You may make them feel creeped out at first, but if you don't stop you can make them feel amazing for days, weeks or months.

What a defeatist way of looking at things. "I'm not cool enough to get looked at so I can't bang a girl." WTF? You might as well never bother with these boards in the first place.

People make such a big deal out of the approach. As long as you're calm and confident, IT DOESN'T MATTER. You can do whatever you want. SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. I opened a girl by asking if I could pee in her butt. ****ER HER. I opened a girl by offering to sell dead babies out of my trunk. ****ED HER. I had a girl slap me within 10 seconds of knowing me. ****ED HER.

Seriously, quit spreading this nonsense. And my God, to the people replying and agreeing. Have a little faith in yourselves. PLEASE! YOU ARE CAPABLE OF SO MUCH MORE!

YOU CAN DO ANYTHING AND GET WITH ANY GIRL YOU WANT. It doesn't matter what product you get. It doesn't matter what "guru" you read. It doesn't matter who you go out with. IT COMES DOWN TO DOING IT. Are you willing to put in the effort? How bad do you want it? Because if you want it bad enough you can have it. You can have any girl. I've seen too many guys go from nothings to somethings with my own eyes to believe this crap you guys are posting on this thread.

Stop keyboard jockeying and start approaching. Jesus Christ...

Actually, I think that you are the one that is full of crap. I don’t know what part of fantasy land that you and others that make the same claims as you do come from but it sure isn’t the real world. Time and time again I’ve seen every average guy with all the game in the world fail one after another time and time again on hot chicks and one guy walks in and the girl falls for him with him doing little more than looking her in the eye and giving her a smile.

The guys who are most successful with women, and not the PUA marketing nut jobs like Mystery, but guys who are truly successful with women over the long run, all do the same. They look at the women, look them in the eye, see which ones are interested and go for it. Simple as that.

With what is written about any guy with the right game being able to get any girl nonsense in mind, I look at every guy that I pass and wonder, if with the right attitude, the right words, the right game if that guy could get any girl, hell could he get just a girl.

Always I come to the same conclusion, that Seinfeld episode where they made a big deal out of the fact that 95% of the population is undatable is really how it is.

 

[potato]

I was in the grocery store and was looking at the gossip magazines. I just couldn’t get over that in all the pictures all the hot young starlets were with short, fat, ugly, scrawny guys. :crackup:

 

[TheRealSupreme]

Actually, I think that you are the one that is full of crap. I don’t know what part of fantasy land that you and others that make the same claims as you do come from but it sure isn’t the real world. Time and time again I’ve seen every average guy with all the game in the world fail one after another time and time again on hot chicks and one guy walks in and the girl falls for him with him doing little more than looking her in the eye and giving her a smile.

The guys who are most successful with women, and not the PUA marketing nut jobs like Mystery, but guys who are truly successful with women over the long run, all do the same. They look at the women, look them in the eye, see which ones are interested and go for it. Simple as that.

With what is written about any guy with the right game being able to get any girl nonsense in mind, I look at every guy that I pass and wonder, if with the right attitude, the right words, the right game if that guy could get any girl, hell could he get just a girl.

Always I come to the same conclusion, that Seinfeld episode where they made a big deal out of the fact that 95% of the population is undatable is really how it is.

Actually he is a so-called guru himself as judging by his sig so of course he is gonna say whatever he said. I read to the part about me being full of shyt and skipped down to the bottom and sure enough. Yeah my comments can hurt his pocket book so as to why the vested interest in his comments.

Of course he is going to come back and make a comment about me trying to make money here.

Which I am not. I only came back here as you guys know to help out one of my guys. Now I only stop in to see what madness is brewing up every now and then.

Look at my start date and my # of posts.

He also doesn't know that I did a daily podcast show for free for over a year until someone started stealing my shows and putting them up on a bit torrent site.

Well.....
Then I skimmed the rest and saw some crap about a 5'4 asian guy pulling a stripper.

This entropy doesn't know I have been in the "life" before. I ran a call girl thing. For Tricks.....Pulling a stripper is all about money. That makes that asian guy just like all the other asian dudes that one of my ex-friends (stripper) used a "TRICK."



I didn't bother reading the rest of it. Sounded way too much like a ad like the hair club for men crap.

These new guys who are marketing their systems are interesting at best.

Getting strippers isn't all that tough when your waving a wad of cash around.

Having used for doe and dating 2 strippers and watching the miserable life they live it isn't that hard to catch their attention with a wad of cash.

I clicked on the link in this guys sig and pulled this from the ADVERTISEMENT ON HIS SITE:

"MEET WOMEN ANYWHERE, ANYTIME
We refuse to teach you gimmicks or routines that you may see on VH1's "The Pick Up Artist." We ONLY teach, field-tested, natural conversational "openers" and stories."


Here is your lesson for the day in peeping game.

Look at the 2nd line We refuse to teach gimmicks and routines.

Now look at their next statement about ONLY teaching natural conversational openers and stories.

This is where you guys get a lesson in bull.

1. How are stories that are rehearsed and robotic different from what MM teaches?

2. Anyone notice the contradictions?

When you look at someones ads know that they are trying to sell you something. As all adverstisers are. But hack advertisers have a way of giving themselves away.

3. The only natural opener is one that is spontaneous. You can't have someone rehearse a spontaneous opener. That isn't a natural opener anymore.


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To entropy:

Look pimpin I ain't tryin to mess up ya money on the squares and suckers you ringing in on here.


I know your gonna do a big book announcement of your new e-book and shyt so cool.

Pimp on playa.

I stated my comments from the reality of life. I know you get a ton of emails of guys complaining about your stuff ain't workin and how they can't find a woman.

You and I both know this is a fact. I don't fill up guys heads with the junk about being a 5'4 asian fat balding dude who is now dating strippers and models. Cause you and I both know that is about the bottom dollar.

Just let this thread ride. These guys will forget about it in a few weeks and you can go back to doing what your doing.

You and I both know how desperate most of the guys in these communities are. I just choose to feed em the truth.

I admit the truth. Sorry if your 5'1 , 6' tall models just won't be feelin ya playa. Get in where you can fit in.

Why?

Because I am not about the money. Now I coulda went along with the program being a public speaker I woulda been a natural to get on the pua circuit and preach it and make ton's of doe.

But I don't roll like that. If you look up the past posts of my old screen name:

PLAYER_SUPREME

You will see I have been saying the same thing for years now. I used to believe as you did also cause I bought into that crap for a moment for the guys on this forum.

Then I saw their faces and photos.

Then I knew that was was being pushed wouldn't work for them.

Why?

Because you guys do not understand women.

Your like the old catholic religion in it's no female shall rise up and be understood thing.

No offense to religious dudes on here.

And what kills me is that you guys are smart. If you had of spent real time in figuring out women and understanding how they operate you would of developed better ways of meeting them.

Instead you listened to guys who did too much theorizing about women instead of actually going out there and meeting them.

Not a one of you have pimped em out. Not a one of you has had them pay you cash money despite that blurb I scanned past about some skinny dude getting paid. I don't believe it. Sorry.

If you did get to that level you would then really understand women and how to motivate and move them in your direction.

You cannot create attraction unless it is there.

I have actually talked to tons of women about this. I have had them (real women) on my podcast shows talking about this.

I went to females. Not other dudes who theorize about it.

Not to mention the level of the game I have been too.

Enough said I will not be responding to anything else ya got's cause I don't roll that way anymore with the debating shyt.

You guys can think what you wanna think. Believe what you wanna believe. I just don't give a crap anymore. I am tired of dealing with knuckle heads stuck in the matrix.




later.

 

[ready123]

if attraction cannot be built, what exactly are you guys trying to do when you indulge in your push-pull, ****y/funny, etc, all those tricks

I'd love to know SPECIFICALLY what characteristic you guys think girls are attracted to that's sooo static, it has to be there from the beginning.

I dare someone to say looks or money

 

[Entropy4]

if attraction cannot be built, what exactly are you guys trying to do when you indulge in your push-pull, ****y/funny, etc, all those tricks

I'd love to know SPECIFICALLY what characteristic you guys think girls are attracted to that's sooo static, it has to be there from the beginning.

I dare someone to say looks or money

Thank you.

They look at the women, look them in the eye, see which ones are interested and go for it. Simple as that.

Must be nice not ever having to face the possibility of rejection. If I followed this philosophy I'd have to go a week between approaches. No thank you.

Entropy, I agree with you that action has to be taken to get a girl. Anyone who doesn't believe that is a dumb****, hell, EVERYONE here knows that. However, I have this belief that raw physical attraction comes from how someone looks, and as long as everything works out socially, BAM, you have a hookup.

Deacon, if you read my first reply, I answer this. I say that the way you present yourself determines how quickly or slowly you will build attraction. You can ALWAYS build attraction. But if you don't present yourself well, then it will take a long time.

Also, if you do some research, physical attractiveness of males is judged by how they present themselves: body language, clothing, grooming, etc. It's not the same as with women. Looks ARE very overrated.

TheRealSupreme:

1) The "in it to make money" argument can equally go both ways, so there's no point in getting involved in it. What you're preaching doesn't take anything out of my pocketbook since guys will typically do 25+ approaches in a session with me. But what I'm preaching definitely takes out of yours. Either way, it's a difference in philosophy, and we both have financial interests in those philosophies, so let's just leave it at that.

2) The asian guy gave the stripper no money. She called him once she got off and went to his hotel and left the next day. Way to explain that one chief.

3) You don't know anything about the skills and concepts we teach. You also don't know the experiences our students have. So why are you talking?

4) You can choose to not believe the things that I have said, and there's no way I can prove them to you. If you want to be that close-minded, that's your prerogative. It's a shame that it's so far outside your reality that you'll never dare to experience it.

5) When you say "I used to buy into that crap" I see a guy who tried and failed, and is now rationalizing his shortcomings by blaming those around him (women) rather than taking responsibility for his failures.

6) Anyone can record a podcast with a chick who says "I like hot guys." That doesn't make you any kind of authority.

 

[schttrj]

well, a hot topic here i see.

im not much into cold approaches i think, not much experience there, sorry. but with girls i have and i wanna SAY something about what ATTRACTION is. it is very much a wrong notion that attraction is when a girl likes u. noooooooo! it is when u get a girl curious about u adn when u make her think about u. the opposite of attraction is apathy, not hatred. so even if u make a very weird first impression but still stand out in a confident way, u have a got a better chance with teh lady than if u just stand at a corner with only making eye contact once and getting back to ur drink. HERE WE ARE TALKING OF THE GAME! and tahts what the seduction community is all about, having a solid game. now when does apathy happens? when u dont meet her social level or status, whether in a positive or a negative way. lemme give u all an example, if u wear a plain polo T-shirt and jeans and go out to pick up Britney Spears, u would get brushed off even before ummm.... anything, but if u r the leader of teh pirate community, then u have got a solid chance of attracting the girl. i hope u r getting me? attraction is when u meet her level and by any way, u have to meet her level, and this is the FIRST CRITERION. looks are not important if u dont decorate it with a superstar personality if u aim to get the Playgirl model. wealth is not important if u dont know how to flaunt it with a brand new Mercedes S-class. social proof will not do anything if u hate going to parties. damn! but yeah, the same thing, ATTRACTION SHOULD BE THERE FROM THE START OR IN OTHER WORDS, U GOTTA MEET HER LEVEL OR SHE WONT GIVE U THE CHANCE TO AMPLIFY THE ATTRACTION. just to tell u something, why is teh BODY LANGUAGE of a pua so important? because it creates that necessary groundwork of meeting her level and that he stands out from the other guys or higher in social level, this provides the groundwork of using the push/pull, c/f, negs, whatever. attraction has gotta be there from the moment she saws u. thats it, whether it be wealth, looks or anything.

 

[ketostix]

if attraction cannot be built, what exactly are you guys trying to do when you indulge in your push-pull, ****y/funny, etc, all those tricks

I'd love to know SPECIFICALLY what characteristic you guys think girls are attracted to that's sooo static, it has to be there from the beginning.

I dare someone to say looks or money

All the tactics you mentioned may amplify attractive but they don't create it, big difference. I offered the static characteristic I think girls are attracted to in my x factor thread. Why and what cause attraction isn't the issue here. I also suspect Entropy is just guru talking.

 

[lookyoung]

First of all, I find it ironic that you bash "marketers" in this industry while you're unabashedly marketing yourself -- speaking of your "secrets" and stuff "the gurus don't want you to know" and your "30 years of experience".

Second of all, you're full of sh!t. I've seen WAY too many counterexamples WITH MY OWN EYES to what you have said. I stick by my previous statement: anyone who says attraction can't be built from scratch HAS NOT BEEN OUT IN FIELD ENOUGH. It happens ALL THE TIME. Just because you're too chicken**** to stick it out and do it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. No. Instead, it's so much easier to congregate on a message board together and pontificate the theories of attraction and how, gosh darnit, we just don't have a chance to begin with, do we? **** THAT!

- I have seen an aging 30-something year old man, with a plaid shirt and old jeans, walk into the largest club in a major city and bathroom pull three HOT girls in two nights. I watched him do it.

- I've seen a 5'3" asian guy pull a stripper. With what? His great looks? No, with his humor, his charm, and his ability to build attraction through conversation and touching.

- I've watched a scrawny geeky college kid date a multi-millionaire corporate lawyer and get showered with thousands of dollars of gifts.

- I've ****ed multiple girls who I was "in the friend zone" with for years. How? I changed my attitude, changed how I interacted with them, and changed how I was.

So don't tell me this bull**** that they decide within five seconds and then you're done. Sure, they may decide within five seconds, and then they change their minds later, and then they change their minds again, and again. You, of all people, should know that women base these things on how you MAKE THEM FEEL. You may make them feel creeped out at first, but if you don't stop you can make them feel amazing for days, weeks or months.

What a defeatist way of looking at things. "I'm not cool enough to get looked at so I can't bang a girl." WTF? You might as well never bother with these boards in the first place.

People make such a big deal out of the approach. As long as you're calm and confident, IT DOESN'T MATTER. You can do whatever you want. SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. I opened a girl by asking if I could pee in her butt. ****ER HER. I opened a girl by offering to sell dead babies out of my trunk. ****ED HER. I had a girl slap me within 10 seconds of knowing me. ****ED HER.

Seriously, quit spreading this nonsense. And my God, to the people replying and agreeing. Have a little faith in yourselves. PLEASE! YOU ARE CAPABLE OF SO MUCH MORE!

YOU CAN DO ANYTHING AND GET WITH ANY GIRL YOU WANT. It doesn't matter what product you get. It doesn't matter what "guru" you read. It doesn't matter who you go out with. IT COMES DOWN TO DOING IT. Are you willing to put in the effort? How bad do you want it? Because if you want it bad enough you can have it. You can have any girl. I've seen too many guys go from nothings to somethings with my own eyes to believe this crap you guys are posting on this thread.

Stop keyboard jockeying and start approaching. Jesus Christ...

I disagree with what your saying. Woman know within 5 seconds if there open to ****ing you or not. They are not going to fvck a 400 pound guy I don't care what type of kino or game he uses. He is dead within the first 5 seconds and there aint no coming back from that. Understand that life is not fair sometime. 400 pound fat boy is not going to get as many girls as a guy with calvin klein looks.

 

[ketostix]

Must be nice not ever having to face the possibility of rejection. If I followed this philosophy I'd have to go a week between approaches. No thank you. [Q

Are you that fvcking clueless? Even if a girl is IOIing you you can still get rejected. No one is saying you'll never get rejected. They're aare saying you won't create attraction that isn't there to some degree from the get go.

Deacon, if you read my first reply, I answer this. I say that the way you present yourself determines how quickly or slowly you will build attraction. You can ALWAYS build attraction. But if you don't present yourself well, then it will take a long time.

Now you skip over the argument of creating attraction to building attraction.

Also, if you do some research, physical attractiveness of males is judged by how they present themselves: body language, clothing, grooming, etc. It's not the same as with women. Looks ARE very overrated.

OK but the girl sizes this up before you even approached her or within 5 seconds after you approached her.


TheRealSupreme:

1) The "in it to make money" argument can equally go both ways, so there's no point in getting involved in it. What you're preaching doesn't take anything out of my pocketbook since guys will typically do 25+ approaches in a session with me. But what I'm preaching definitely takes out of yours. Either way, it's a difference in philosophy, and we both have financial interests in those philosophies, so let's just leave it at that.

If your guys are doing 25 approaches as opposed to 2-5 and not holding the target and getting laid than there's something wrong.

 

[TheRealSupreme]

Well thanks to the guy who emailed me to respond. I was doing a show on this subject for FREE distribution on my free site at libsyn.

http://media.libsyn.com/media/playersupreme/Enthropy_discussion.mp3

And I did one on that bathroom thing also which I will air another time. Basically I am not impressed by freaks going to a bathroom to ****. I have fingered women on the dance floor and given them orgasms. No big deal.

I am just not low enough to resort to having sex where people take a dump.

Good luck to you guys and all that.

As for proof I have always proved my game with photos and I mean real photos. I just did a series of proof type of posts on my forum showing guys from these communities posting fake fotos of them and girls. Now someone put up the photos of a guy in I think enthropies own town who is a socalled guru with his face cut out and the face of the so-called hotties (not) that he was dating.

Not a one of them were real proof cause it was one of those club shots of guys taking a photo with a girl in the club.

We all know women love cameras. There was also a asian guy in the shots. Hmmmm.

One thing I have learned is that you cannot change someones opinion or mind on a subject.

 

[TheRealSupreme]

Are you that fvcking clueless? Even if a girl is IOIing you you can still get rejected. No one is saying you'll never get rejected. They're aare saying you won't create attraction that isn't there to some degree from the get go.





Now you skip over the argument of creating attraction to building attraction.




OK but the girl sizes this up before you even approached her or within 5 seconds after you approached her.


TheRealSupreme:



If your guys are doing 25 approaches as opposed to 2-5 and not holding the target and getting laid than there's something wrong.

Wrong game style dog. I teach real game skills. Not ho chasing running up in a females face and getting 1-out of a hundred possibles.

I don't have my guys doing 25 approaches a day. I teach them how to find the right female for them. How to look for eye contact. Cause if a female is choosin she will look at ya. Despite what some guys on here might think.

So I try to save energy. This guy thinks it cause of some kinda cowardess thing I am running.

Ok I will dig up a old post of mine from the pimps network site and this forum to show you one time and one time only how I ran my game and you tell me if I am a coward or not:


From: Mar-6 10:21 pm
To: ALL (1 of 4)
1449.1 This is for you sympin mutha fvcka's up in here. Tonite my boy was online when this bytch broke in... I deleted our real names if you follow the cut & pasted IM convo. This is from a ho whom I fired she got a little testy with my natural black ass, watch how I handle this rich *****. Oh I deleted part of her screen name also Mine is ,,,,,,
Col : !
Col : or ? whom ever
ZenMack: Hold on....
Col : okay!
ZenMack: wazup bytch...
Col : Daddy I am finding out that you were right
ZenMack: do you know who your talkin to now:
ZenMack: right about what
Col : I know who does it for me.
ZenMack: yeah you betta represent...
Col : When I talk w/ men i know that they will not do it for me ....
ZenMack: then you need to get yo big ass back on my mutha fvckin team
ZenMack: I know you need your daddy
ZenMack: don't ya babygirl
Col : I cannot feel their manhood... their being... you how in tune I am tune 2 that.
Col : yes daddy........
ZenMack: Say your sorry bytch...
Col : I had a man get so pissed that I wouldnt talk my pants off........
ZenMack: I guess you had to learn didn't you
Col : Baby, Daddy I am so sorry that I doubted you.
ZenMack: You gotta buy your way back into my good graces babygirl....
Col : Oh Daddy anything
ZenMack: and feed a nigga
ZenMack: and fvck a nigga's boy too bytch!
Col : Your babygirl is here!
ZenMack: Put some money into my account again too.
ZenMack: this sunday at 1pm bring yo big ass down here
Col: That is all I have ever wanted to do.....but you confused me.....
Col : okay Daddy!
ZenMack: later!
Col : Muah!
This shyt is fresh as of 5 minutes ago. This is how I handle my business any got dam questions?
***************************************************************
Notice how the ***** is trying to play me with talk of other men...doesn't phase a true playa. You gotta handle ya business mayne.

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There are some post numbers at the top. Google "the pimps network" and you will see this was a live post made during it's conception.

This lady runs in Arnold Swatzeneggers circles before anyone begins the hateration. I have proof of fotos of her sister and arnold holding her sisters new baby.

So she isn't a skank and she was married to a rich man.

This entropy had no idea how high in the game I have been.

He assumed I was some kinda key board jockey and didn't look up my real screen name.

And I assume you also.

Pimp and mack (you guys have no idea what a real mack is either).

 

[TheRealSupreme]

Ok this is my last post so please those of you guys who are from my forum no more emails. I don't care what this guy says. It's all good. As he stated I don't know his style ....lol.

pz yall.

And I will not bring up anymore of my own private old lifestyle. If you want it go back into those old files and get it.

If you think I was some kinda key board jockey.

 

[ready123]

All the tactics you mentioned may amplify attractive but they don't create it, big difference. I offered the static characteristic I think girls are attracted to in my x factor thread. Why and what cause attraction isn't the issue here. I also suspect Entropy is just guru talking.

I just looked at your thread and you said it all comes down to facial symmetry and expression

I don't know how you can conclude there's a MINIMUM BASELINE of attraction unless you absolutely ran perfect game, had top notch calibration, happened to have perfect logistics and still couldn't get this group of girls right here. so then you talked to the girls after and they told you they weren't feeling you because your face is slightly crooked

c'mon dude

you can take a fat dude who's obviously no girl's physical type, give him the tools to subcommunicate value and he can 180 a girl. that's creating attraction from nothing right there