Attention Hor Myth

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Overall, I'm seeing some informative threads on sosuave. However, one topic irks me. And that is the myth of the "attention hor." For whatever reason, some people on this board obsess over the so-called c0cktease/attention hor who supposedly exists only to tease men, who go out and don't want to get laid, and simply exist to make men sexually frustrated.

This is complete garbage. While I'm not saying some girls tease guys, the degree of concern over this type of behavior is ridiculously over-stated. IF you are attractive, and have solid game, you will find that these so-called "attention hors" aren't out only for attention, but simply are selective about who they will have sex with.

In other words, the problem is not with women, but with YOU, if you are consistently experiencing or worrying about this problem. Make yourself more attractive. Develop tighter game. Create confidence in yourself. DON'T COME ON HERE B1TCHING ABOUT HOW WOMEN TEASE GUYS. If you THINK this is reality, it will BECOME your reality.

Please, ditch the negativity and improve yourself and thereby create a NEW REALITY. Your NEW REALITY will contain a world of women who are comfortable with their sexuality and WANT YOU.

Peace.
 

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All hors want attention - that is why they dress and look like hors!
 

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You are glossing over the fact that women have a strong tendency to lead on and use men for attention and ego inflation and validation. Sure if you're attractive and have a good "game" you are less likely to fall into the trap of women using you for attention and leading you on. If you don't keep an eye out any guy could fall into a woman's orbiter crowd. Just about every woman has orbiters, guys she fvcks and just generally men to serve different purposes. Another thing is women vary in their AWing levels. There's full blown AWs and then there many women who are just typical.
 

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attention hors are not a "myth", they re a reality! Just look on your facebook, there's always that hottie who puts up her latest "modelling" pics and she has 10+ dudes comment on them every time. Why do you think she s doing that for? Obviously she's getting pounded by someone (hopefully you!), but she clearly craves those losers' attention. Same situation happens at the bar, club, on the street, etc...

I agree with you though that guys on this forum take this concept waaaaaay too far. There just so bitter and grumpy, always complaining about AWs and the matrix, which supposedly gives women such power over society, etc... I bet 90% of these haters have never been inside a HB10's panties, they rarely get laid and are often rejected, then they log in and vent off on here
 

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I've said this before in regard to women "testing" men.

It's all about actions and reactions. The women are going to react to however you act, and react to however you react to external actions.

The solution: do not let external things affect your behaviour in any way. As long as you do that, you don't need to think things like "is she testing me" or "is she just an attention *****?"

Action/reaction.
 

Channel your excited feelings into positive thoughts and behaviors. You will attract women by being enthusiastic, radiating energy, and becoming someone who is fun to be around.

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We seem to have two competing theories here:

1. Hot girls are AWs.
2. Hot girls are very selective about who they go home with.

These two theories are NOT mutually exclusive. They both have merit.

Let's take one at a time...

1. There is no question that hot girls love attention. Why else would they spend so much time and money to look like Paris Hilton? If they truly were sick of the attention they were getting, they would avoid clubs.

2. There is also no question that hot girls are selective about who they f*ck. Women in general are more selective than men about who they sleep with. Hot girls, especially, will generally go for the hottest guy they can find because they have more bargaining power. (Don't try to tell me they hook up with "ugly" dudes. We might think he's ugly, but rest assured she doesn't.)


Now, as for guys saying AWs don't want to get laid and are a waste of time, this needs to be put in context. Of course it's not totally true, but it's a reasonable approximation if you're not a really hot guy. For the average guy, who REALLY wants to get laid on a given night, in my opinion, it's just not worth it to waste time trying to "game" a group of 9s and 10s, unless you happen to get eye contact from at least one of them.

The same argument could be made about hot girls being "b*tches." Is she is REALLY a b*tch, strictly speaking? Probably not. But most average guys will only get to see the b*tchy side of her. Only the hot guys, her girlfriends, and maybe her gay friend will ever get to see the sweet side of her.
 

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kody_starr said:
Overall, I'm seeing some informative threads on sosuave. However, one topic irks me. And that is the myth of the "attention hor." For whatever reason, some people on this board obsess over the so-called c0cktease/attention hor who supposedly exists only to tease men, who go out and don't want to get laid, and simply exist to make men sexually frustrated.

This is complete garbage. While I'm not saying some girls tease guys, the degree of concern over this type of behavior is ridiculously over-stated. IF you are attractive, and have solid game, you will find that these so-called "attention hors" aren't out only for attention, but simply are selective about who they will have sex with.

In other words, the problem is not with women, but with YOU, if you are consistently experiencing or worrying about this problem. Make yourself more attractive. Develop tighter game. Create confidence in yourself. DON'T COME ON HERE B1TCHING ABOUT HOW WOMEN TEASE GUYS. If you THINK this is reality, it will BECOME your reality.

Please, ditch the negativity and improve yourself and thereby create a NEW REALITY. Your NEW REALITY will contain a world of women who are comfortable with their sexuality and WANT YOU.

Peace.
While I agree with the majority of this, let me add that there are many women out there that are just plain nuts, and end up stringing guys along if they're not careful. If the women are just being selective, they wouldnt be teasing guys, they would be clear on their stance.

Obviously, if you have good inner game, options, and an abundance mindset, you wont give two fvcks about the ones who are flaking, because you will have those that arent. Remember though, that if you have inner game and options, you wont be posting about stuff like that in the first place. This forum is for people who dont have inner game and confidence yet, so there will be people posting about AW's and flakes, just like there will be the daily post of "how do I get this ONE girl," and "she has a BF, what do I do?"

Remember, kody, that improving onesself is a long process, and in the meantime, there will be AW's, and lack of options, and flaking, and negativity. While this post has the best intentions, and it is the truth, its not really going to hit home with anyone who isnt at that level already. The message of this post is one of those philosophies that cant really be fully understood by the people its meant for, if you know what I mean.

The best thing an rafc can do in the meantime is learn to spot the aw and cut her out before there is any drama, or emotional investment involved. That alone improves ones confidence, and helps their inner game, as well.
 

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hahaha. The guy's right. I've never REALLY met any women that aims to leave their dates sexually frustrated.

It'd only make sense if they were PAID to do so.
 

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You don't seem to understand the typical AW. By experience, I know for a fact that they DO love to tease and ****-block guys. Been there done that. It's also a common mistake to believe that only HB9's + will do that. I've known HB5-6 that would act like they're interested and tease the hell out of you just because they love it. Woman possess sociopath traits which makes them really good are flirting­.

It's a power thing for them, they LOVE to have a PACK of men FIGHTING OVER THEM. It's as simple as that. You can talk to them, even flirt with them but all they want is the attention and the feeling of having men at their feet. If you try to make a move, she'll open the door a bit, but all she really wants of you is the drama and the power.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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So what? Women have a right to feel and look sexy without having to put out for YOU. Why should they? They will wait for a man who they find assertive, sexy and attractive enough. If you are not that guy, GET OVER IT. Up your game and become that guy. And learn to recognize you will NEVER have enough game to have sex with any woman you want. You will simply expand the number of choices you have.

Women have a right and the desire to feel and look sexy without having to put out, for you, or anyone else, specifically. ENJOY their sexual energy. Don't resent it.

Seriously, it's sad when we COMPLAIN about women exuding sexual energy and power.

Believe it or not, YOU potentially have that same power...as a man. Instead, you b1tch and moan about women's power. Grab your balls and develop an attractive lifestyle, mind and body!

Splendidostring said:
You don't seem to understand the typical AW. By experience, I know for a fact that they DO love to tease and ****-block guys. Been there done that. It's also a common mistake to believe that only HB9's + will do that. I've known HB5-6 that would act like they're interested and tease the hell out of you just because they love it. Woman possess sociopath traits which makes them really good are flirting­.

It's a power thing for them, they LOVE to have a PACK of men FIGHTING OVER THEM. It's as simple as that. You can talk to them, even flirt with them but all they want is the attention and the feeling of having men at their feet. If you try to make a move, she'll open the door a bit, but all she really wants of you is the drama and the power.
 

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Actually, it's a way of "negging" someone when you recognize or believe that your own value is lower. Calling someone names is the hallmark of a low value individual. INCREASE your value and others value, by seeking out what's beautiful and positive in others, and focusing on what's beautiful and positive in yourself and nurturing that.

slaog said:
Calling somebody an AW is our way of saying she uses guys to boost her own ego.
 

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The thing is if you are interested in sex, dating etc and the girl is only interested in your attention, then she is AWing you. Women commonly do this. I don't know why you are making this so complicated and saying it doesn't exist.
 

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I think the problem with the AW label is that it assumes things about the woman's psychology when really there could be LOTS of reasons for why she seems to tease you. A lot of these girls are, in fact, just not attracted to you or are looking for someone to cut the crap and go beyond their teasing. I'd say try to look at each case as an experiment: "what can I do with this woman who knows how to play around?"

I have a friend who is definitely what people call the AW. She is uninterested in getting picked up. That is all. And I genuinely think that because she doesn't know the way the whole bar/club thing works for those who are open to the pickup. In a sense, it's like those kids who don't know what sex really is so they joke and tease eachother with sex-related stuff all the time. In this case is she actively being manipulative? Not at all!
 

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kody_starr, would you accept that some women use men for an ego boost?


And it's not that we're calling women AW's because we've lower value then her. Its used to describe a certain type of behaviour.


I'm also sure that theres times when AFC's think women are AW's when they are really being themselves and not intentionally leading the AFC's on.
 

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kody_starr said:
So what? Women have a right to feel and look sexy without having to put out for YOU. Why should they? They will wait for a man who they find assertive, sexy and attractive enough. If you are not that guy, GET OVER IT. Up your game and become that guy. And learn to recognize you will NEVER have enough game to have sex with any woman you want. You will simply expand the number of choices you have.

Women have a right and the desire to feel and look sexy without having to put out, for you, or anyone else, specifically. ENJOY their sexual energy. Don't resent it.

Seriously, it's sad when we COMPLAIN about women exuding sexual energy and power.

Believe it or not, YOU potentially have that same power...as a man. Instead, you b1tch and moan about women's power. Grab your balls and develop an attractive lifestyle, mind and body!
If an unattractive and obese woman gave you indicators of interest, would you lead her on and give her just enough hope so that she keeps chasing you, even though you have no interest in her?

Do you think she should "enjoy your sexual energy" and feel good?
 

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Allurre said:
hahaha. The guy's right. I've never REALLY met any women that aims to leave their dates sexually frustrated.

It'd only make sense if they were PAID to do so.
My ex girlfriend gave her number out to any guy who asked, texted, talked on phone, and even hung out with guys. She didnt know how to say no to a guy and had to be friends with everyone. And yet at the end of the night she was with me and not those afc jokers.

How can you not call her an attention hore who loves leading guys on?
 

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You just contradicted yourself. You just said she didn't know how to say no, which is in indication of supplication to men, not a strong ego with an intentional desire to lead men on to boost her ego.

Think of it this way: think about how many women are out there who DESPISE you guys for never making a move because you are afraid of the mythical "attention hor?"

Why don't we start up a forum to hunt down the legendary sasquatch, or start up a unicorn hunting club? It would be just as productive.

You all are a bunch of excusers who are looking for non existent barriers to getting laid. So be it.
 

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All women are AWs. Your mother, your sister, the girl at the bar and the wife you've been married to for 20 years are all attention seeking. Some to a greater and some to a lesser degree, but it is an integral part of the feminine gender to desire attention.

From a very early age attention is a primary reinforcer for girls. As I've mentioned in few prior posts, part of my psychology education included child psych and my favorite subject has always been my ever-present 7 y.o. (at the time) daughter when doing case studies. To understand the feminine attention dynamic you have to go back into a female childhood socialization. There are countless studies that show attention-as-reinforcer is a psycho-biological construct. I should also add that there really is no absolute nature, or absolute nurture dyanmic so a definite amount of socialization and learned behavior intrinsically reinforces attention as rewarding, but the root of attention seeking behavior begins in female biology.

A few things to start with

In the same respect that men posess testosterone as their primary, gender-defining hormone, women's bodies produce estrogen and oxytocin in larger volume. Studies have shown both these hormones foster feelings of nurturing as a primary feminine trait for parental caring and oxytocin is a precursor for feelings of trust and comfort. Studies also show that girl babies are picked up and given affection 4 times as often as are boy infants and toddlers. This of course bears evidence to the biological and socialization associations of attention reinforcement. In addition, studies of pre-adolescent and adolescent degrees of attention to both genders by parents always favors the female child. Correlation of this indicates the rewarding benefit of attetion to the female as well as a behavioral modeling influence directed towards masculine independence by socializing boys to not be dependent upon the reinforcing aspect of attention.

Female Socialization

Little girls fight in an entirely different realm than do boys. Where boys fight in a the physical realm, girls fight in the psychological. That's not to exclude girls from actually coming to blows, but far more common is the occurance of psychological combat, and in no realm is this more effective than the denial of reinforcing attention within a female social collective.

Little girls have a predictable tendency to form small girl-only collectives or 'peer clutches' from the time they are introduced into kindergarten. This social collective progressively becomes a rewarding and reinforcing social unit, locking out those not included and nurturing those who are. This dynamic can last through high school (i.e. Cliques, etc.), into college and into mature adulthood, but the commonality within all variations of this clutch is the qualifying influence of the affirming power of attention.

Should one member of the clutch offend another, it is the hierarchy of an individual member's ability to maintain the most attention that generally determines the victor in the dispute. The worst consequence of such a dispute being ostracization from the group - thus the absoulte denial of this reaffirming attention-as-reinforcement. The clutch develops a hirearchy of influence depending upon each girl's ability to attract and maintain reinforcing attention. This attention can be from any source; within the group, outside the group and opposite sex attention becomes the most valuable after puberty.

Social rank within the peer clutch is determined by the member's ability to attract attention. The more attractive the girl, the more popular she bcomes and the more influence she wields - and, incidentally, the more resentment she stirs. This isn't to say that any particular female cognizantly realizes this directly. However, when outcast from the collective, this capacity for attracting attention in a high degree makes her despised. The attention can still be beneficial for affirmation (i.e. realized jealousy), it's just that the intent that has changed.

Thus, women use attention not only for their own affirmation, individually and collectively, but also to do combat with each other. Far more damaging than physical fighting is the long term psychological impact of denying this reinforcement, or better still, delegitimizing or disqualifying a girl/woman's capacity to attract this attention. Combine this with a woman's natural, and innately higher agency to communicate both verbally and non-verbally (i.e covert communications) and you can see the potential this has in damaging a rival.

This might explain a woman's natural propensity to gossip. When a woman attacks the respectability and character of another ("she's such a slut"), in essence, she is assualting the woman's agency for garniering attention by delegitimizing it.

The Attention Who're

The dynamics behind this attention affirmation are intimately covert. Women will never outwardly admit that attention is a reinforcer to them, because to do so would create the impression of 'shallowness' or superficiality. Attention is the coin of the realm in Girl World, but the woman who overtly seeks attention is the one they call an Attention Who're. Not because she's any different than any other women in this attention seeking regard, but because she draws OVERT and obvious attention to the dynamic itself and points out a very sensitive Achilles heel for women in general. Thus the AW stereotype needs to be shunned, disqualified and filtered into the social consciousness to the point where men will autonomously see the AW as one.
 

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This is all keyboard jockey theorizing. Unless we are posting field reports, this is all meaningless. There was somebody else talking about how all women were attention hors and guess what? He wasn't talking to women at all. Too scared.
 

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