Attention Hor Myth

[Duffdog]

Women will never outwardly admit that attention is a reinforcer to them, because to do so would create the impression of 'shallowness' or superficiality.

Assuming that attractive females care about labels given to them by less attractive males...

I'm afraid you are wrong about this one. Many, many females will just openly say "I like the attention" when asked why they do certain things. Or why they dress a certain way, or why they have a certain job. You are substituting one term for another: "attention *****" for "superficial". They both have the same connotation; average guys aren't going to get into their pants.

Its all fine and dandy to endlessly construe concepts that seek to expose the "why" of female nature, but that is tremendously distracting from the true focus of what is needed. That being, how do average guys actually get these super hot chics... When you figure that one out, I would love to read it.

 

[decentguy]

Assuming that attractive females care about labels given to them by less attractive males...

That being, how do average guys actually get these super hot chics... When you figure that one out, I would love to read it.

Many of them aren't even hot. Many of the AWs I've met in the past couple of months are 6s or 7s and they seem to think they're 9s or 10s. They give you all the signs, string you along, flirt, etc, and when you try to make a move (ask her out on a date) they stop responding because they know that you're interested and the challenge is lost. Many of these girls have been single for a while (1 year and +).

 

[horaholic]

Overall, I'm seeing some informative threads on sosuave. However, one topic irks me. And that is the myth of the "attention hor." For whatever reason, some people on this board obsess over the so-called c0cktease/attention hor who supposedly exists only to tease men, who go out and don't want to get laid, and simply exist to make men sexually frustrated.

This is complete garbage. While I'm not saying some girls tease guys, the degree of concern over this type of behavior is ridiculously over-stated. IF you are attractive, and have solid game, you will find that these so-called "attention hors" aren't out only for attention, but simply are selective about who they will have sex with.
If we were all that attractive, and solid game, we wouldnt be posting here would we? Also, there is a big difference between being selective, and leading guys on. If the girls was merely selective, she would not be calling the guy, talking dirty. She wouldnt always be giving fvck me eyes, and chasing away other girls. She wouldnt give subtle promises of sex. She wouldnt make out with him, then turn away, and slip out the back door. That shyt is straight up GAME PLAYING.

In other words, the problem is not with women, but with YOU, if you are consistently experiencing or worrying about this problem. Make yourself more attractive. Develop tighter game. Create confidence in yourself. DON'T COME ON HERE B1TCHING ABOUT HOW WOMEN TEASE GUYS. If you THINK this is reality, it will BECOME your reality.
Yes, you are correct. Women tease, and play mental games with guys that dont have superior game.We are all TRYING to develop better game. My lack of game under NO CIRCUMSTANCES gives women permission to play games with me for their own amusement. I am a human being, and I deserve to be treated with basic common courtesy, despite my level of game. You are coming on here telling us that we're inferior, because we aren't supreme players, and because we lack game, we're open season for manipulative bytches that get off on hooking guys in, then play8ng games with them. These women know what they're doing, and they have no intention of following through. There is a word for people who take pleasure (either intentional, or at least knowingly) causing others turmoil, pain or drama. Its called Evil, or at least Sadistic. You are justifying evil, and sadistic behaviour because we are lacking game. Even the top pua's believe in the AW. They just know how to handle them better, or cut them out sooner.

Please, ditch the negativity and improve yourself and thereby create a NEW REALITY. Your NEW REALITY will contain a world of women who are comfortable with their sexuality and WANT YOU.

Once again, thats what we are ALL trying to do here. It takes small steps. noones gonna read your statement and have an epiphany. Obviously, the more game we have, the less AW's will bother us. They will still be there, but we will know when to cut them out. Im pretty good at recognizing the AW these days, so I get rid of them before I get attached.

Peace.

So what? Women have a right to feel and look sexy without having to put out for YOU. Why should they? There is nothing wrong with that, and none of us think so. They will wait for a man who they find assertive, sexy and attractive enough. If you are not that guy, GET OVER IT. They can wait for that guy, all they want, but in the mean time, they should not be manipulating guys they aren't interested in. If they arent interested FINE!!!! They can kick rocks. This is not the point of the AW. You're sayng that AW's are merely girls that reject us, and we're just butthurt about it, so we call them names. That is not the case, at all! AW's are girls, who arent interested, but ACT like they are (and this is WAY more than just flirting) so they can get their jolly's by having dudes hanging over them.Up your game and become that guy. And learn to recognize you will NEVER have enough game to have sex with any woman you want. You will simply expand the number of choices you have.

Women have a right and the desire to feel and look sexy without having to put out, for you, or anyone else, specifically. ENJOY their sexual energy. Don't resent it.We're TRYING to enjoy their sexual energy. We cant do that if they are merely teasing us with it. Once, again you're confusing AW's with girls that aren't interested.

Seriously, it's sad when we COMPLAIN about women exuding sexual energy and power. No. We're complaining about women EXPLOITING their sexual energy, at the expense of peoples emotions.

Believe it or not, YOU potentially have that same power...as a man. Instead, you b1tch and moan about women's power. Grab your balls and develop an attractive lifestyle, mind and body!
Yes, you are absolutely right, but it doesnt excuse AW's behaviour.

Lets relate this to schoolyard bullying. There is nothing wrong with being strong, or being able to fight good. But, there is something very wrong with picking on the littler guy. By your logic, its the little guys fault, for not making himself stronger or knowing how to defend himself. In no way is it the bully's fault, because he is merely flexing his muscles, and why shouldnt he, right? Yes, the little guy should step up, but the bully is the one who has created the situation, so he is in the wrong, not the little guy. This is what AW's do. The find a guy who doesnt have a whole lot of game, and they pick on him, emotionally, and get satisfaction out of it, then turn around and fvck the guy with good game, and basically laugh at the other guy. If they dont want the other guy, they should leave him the fvck alone, or just be his friend. There is NO justification, or rationalization for this.

You're right about everyone needing to step up, to prevent this, but it doesnt make it OK. We should all use the AW as motivation to step up our game, but I sure as hell aint gonna thank her for it!

OP, while you have the right Idea, and are just trying to help, you are going about this in the WRONG way. Please try to heklp everyone in a manner that they can relate to, instead of trying to shove your knowledge down there throat. People dont listen to that. Every few months, someone like you comes on here and does this, and they piss everyone off, and get banned. The last one was Logical Player. He had a good idea, and acted like a Nazi about it, so he was banned. Dont be the new sosuave nazi, please.

 

[Duffdog]

Horaholic,

The find a guy who doesnt have a whole lot of game, and they pick on him, emotionally, and get satisfaction out of it, then turn around and fvck the guy with good game, and basically laugh at the other guy.

It has been this way since the beginning of time. A+ for finally figuring it out. Who is to say its "wrong"? Not everyone can be a winner. By definition, to have a winner, you must have losers. It is the job of the middle of the road average guy to become a winner-- if he cannot bring himself to do it, he has no business complaining.

I think its interesting that men do EXACTLY the same thing, but our currency is the attractiveness of females. We deny and stomp on the self esteem of lesser females and lead them on simply for the sake of ego preservation, yet we know inside that the unattractive female never had a chance in hell...and we go fvck the size 0 blonde with DD's simply because she was hotter. Then, we laugh about how the fat girl did this and that in the name of love.

In answer to your question, yes, it is the little guys fault. It is the PUA with no game's fault. It is the fat girls fault. Life isn't fair and its not supposed to be.

 

[decentguy]

I think its interesting that men do EXACTLY the same thing, but our currency is the attractiveness of females. We deny and stomp on the self esteem of lesser females and lead them on simply for the sake of ego preservation, yet we know inside that the unattractive female never had a chance in hell...and we go fvck the size 0 blonde with DD's simply because she was hotter. Then, we laugh about how the fat girl did this and that in the name of love.

I'm not so sure about that. From what I've seen girls tend to do this, and take way more pleasure in it, than guys. How many of you guys string along a girl who you're not attracted to just for your own validation?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Many, many females will just openly say "I like the attention" when asked why they do certain things. Or why they dress a certain way, or why they have a certain job.

True, but what is your impression of a woman who says "I like the attention"? Aren't these exactly the women most guys (and other women) would call AWs? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't be ashamed of even saying so, but it's not about whether or not she's fearless, it's the perception she creates for others by doing so. Have you ever been the only guy in the company of about 4 or 5 women in a social setting and seen another lone, glaringly attractive woman walk into the gathering? What's the first thing women do? They tear her down, "look at her, she thinks she all of that." They systematically deconstruct her, even if only covertly by innuendo or subcommunication. That is disqualification and attention redirection in action.

Everything a woman does from the time she gets up out of bed is about garnering attention. Makeup, dress, heels, pantyhose, perfume, push up bra, name the ritual, it's all about attention.

This is all keyboard jockey theorizing. Unless we are posting field reports, this is all meaningless. There was somebody else talking about how all women were attention hors and guess what? He wasn't talking to women at all. Too scared.

I've just given you the most comprehensive field report you're ever going to find. This attention dynamic is exactly why PUA techniques are effective. Neg Hits, Takeaways, Freezeouts, Social Proof, etc. are essentially all challenges to this attention reinforcement. Attractive women are used to a lot of attention. They are not accustomed to being put into a position where that attention is valuable and it's denied them based on qualifying for it.

 

[Solomon]

This is all keyboard jockey theorizing. Unless we are posting field reports, this is all meaningless. There was somebody else talking about how all women were attention hors and guess what? He wasn't talking to women at all. Too scared.

True cough cough, true, hence I avoid threads like these, because there is way to much "group theory" and "mental mastberation" but....

attention hors are not a "myth", they re a reality! Just look on your facebook, there's always that hottie who puts up her latest "modelling" pics and she has 10+ dudes comment on them every time. Why do you think she s doing that for? Obviously she's getting pounded by someone (hopefully you!), but she clearly craves those losers' attention. Same situation happens at the bar, club, on the street, etc...

I agree with you though that guys on this forum take this concept waaaaaay too far. There just so bitter and grumpy, always complaining about AWs and the matrix, which supposedly gives women such power over society, etc... I bet 90% of these haters have never been inside a HB10's panties, they rarely get laid and are often rejected, then they log in and vent off on here

^^ROFL I gotta agree with drak, Improve your self, be the best man you can be, get out there with a postive mindset(step your game up!!) if you still stuck in that "all girls are aw" phase, then you need to read some pook

Peace

 

[Scar Tissue]

Think of it this way: think about how many women are out there who DESPISE you guys for never making a move because you are afraid of the mythical "attention hor?"

You all are a bunch of excusers who are looking for non existent barriers to getting laid. So be it.

No one said you cant make a move on attention wh0res and no one said you cant fvck them. They are just girls you need to be careful with and are usually not the best to date.

Dont try to give advice when you dont know what your talking about. Read the dj bible and get some real life experience. We dont need more posters who dont know what they are talking about.

 

[Igetit!]

Lets relate this to schoolyard bullying. There is nothing wrong with being strong, or being able to fight good. But, there is something very wrong with picking on the littler guy. By your logic, its the little guys fault, for not making himself stronger or knowing how to defend himself. In no way is it the bully's fault, because he is merely flexing his muscles, and why shouldnt he, right? Yes, the little guy should step up, but the bully is the one who has created the situation, so he is in the wrong, not the little guy. This is what AW's do. They find a guy who doesnt have a whole lot of game, and they pick on him, emotionally, and get satisfaction out of it, then turn around and fvck the guy with good game, and basically laugh at the other guy.

I'm going to have to say I disagree with the part I put in bold. I don't believe that AWs seek out guys who don't have game to pick on and get satisfaction out of it. What I think happens is a guy will approach a woman,and if he fails to generate attraction in her,but still has some sort of value in her eyes,she'll use his attraction to her for her beneifit.
For example,if he approaches her,and it turns out she's not attracted to him,but he has a car and she doesn't,she'll use his attraction to her to get her need for a car met. It ALL goes back to what DonGordon keeps saying:That's what humans do. I used to think all he did was make smart-alek remarks by saying the same things over and over again,but when I look at what he's saying,he's right.

To me,it's NOT WITHIN THE WOMAN where the attention wh0re originates,it's the situation she finds herself in. I believe that a woman WILL BE an attention WH0RE with a guy who has value to her in other areas than being sexual. I guess she figures,"Well,even though I'm not attracted to him,if he's going to continue to be around me,I might as well get something out of it". So whatever else he's got going for him that she feels is of value,she'll use his desire for her to gain access to those things.

If it's his car,money,his associations with other people who may be able to help her in some way,or it may simply be his presense to reassure her that at least some guy finds her attractive,whatever the value is,she'll take advantage of it.

I don't think women go around seeking someone to be an attention WH0RE to,but if the opportunity presents itself,she'll take it.

 

[Duffdog]

Rollo,

True, but what is your impression of a woman who says "I like the attention"? Aren't these exactly the women most guys (and other women) would call AWs? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't be ashamed of even saying so, but it's not about whether or not she's fearless, it's the perception she creates for others by doing so. Have you ever been the only guy in the company of about 4 or 5 women in a social setting and seen another lone, glaringly attractive woman walk into the gathering? What's the first thing women do? They tear her down, "look at her, she thinks she all of that." They systematically deconstruct her, even if only covertly by innuendo or subcommunication. That is disqualification and attention redirection in action.

It seems that the further subdivision of attention horing you are mentioning is simply a result of attractiveness. If the lone girl you are talking about is actually more attractive than the 5 girls, outwardly, the 5 girls attempt to pull her down, but inwardly know that they can't compare.

When you ask "what type of girl is an AW"...the answer is strikingly obvious: an AW is any girl that the majority of men find attractive and hit on. If she is not being hit on, then there is no possibility that the is an AW because she has no A. The only time the situation results where we males perceive that a girl is an AW occurs when OTHER MALES are gaming for her attention also. That simply means that she is hot. So, when you ask how one would categorize an AW; Its just any girl that multiple men hit on. When the multiple men part goes away, the attention goes away and there is then no opportunity for any horage whatsoever.

In reality, any negative connotation or label that we males come up with for attractive females is simply a defense mechanism to save our precious ego when she isn't interested. The second that a girl actually has sex with us, all the negative labels magically disappear. Unfortunately, for all the other males who were gaming her and didn't get in the pants, a flurry of new negative labels will forever be slung her way.

So, the question which we really should be asking is: "How is it that the men who actually get to have sex with that dream girl who dissed you will never consider her an AW?"

 

[horaholic]

Horaholic,



It has been this way since the beginning of time. A+ for finally figuring it out. Who is to say its "wrong"? Not everyone can be a winner. By definition, to have a winner, you must have losers. It is the job of the middle of the road average guy to become a winner-- if he cannot bring himself to do it, he has no business complaining.

This has nothing to do with winners and losers. I dont ever call a girl an AW because I didnt 'get' her, and some other guy does. It is because they pretend to pursue me when they arent really doing it. What you are saying above, has nothing to do with AW's. Stay on the topic. Most AW's I've dealt with totally came after me. They didnt like the fact that I wasnt pining over them, so they wanted to manipulate me to add to their collection. This has NOTHING to do with my game, either. If I go for a chick, and dont get her cuz of my game, I dont call her an AW. The OP seems to think that this is the case, that us guys call every girl an AW just because we didnt get in her pants. Ther is a LOT more to it than that, people.

I think its interesting that men do EXACTLY the same thing, but our currency is the attractiveness of females. We deny and stomp on the self esteem of lesser females and lead them on simply for the sake of ego preservation, yet we know inside that the unattractive female never had a chance in hell...and we go fvck the size 0 blonde with DD's simply because she was hotter. Then, we laugh about how the fat girl did this and that in the name of love.

Well, first of all, Its not ok for a guy to do it either, but it doesnt affect me personally, so I dont care. Secondly, most of us guys dont do that. We may flirt with girls we're not interested in, but I have NEVER in my life heard of a guy that hits on a girl for more than a week, makes out with her, gets her all attached, invites her home, and as soon as they walk in the door, he throws her a pillow, tells her to sleep on the couch,. and goes straight to his room, leaving her going 'WTF.' Guys simply dont do that shyt! and if they did, its just as wrong on their part. I fail to understand how any of you guys on her can possibly think that would OK to do to someone.

In answer to your question, yes, it is the little guys fault. It is the PUA with no game's fault. It is the fat girls fault. Life isn't fair and its not supposed to be.

No way. Not always anyway. It would be the fat girls fault that she cant find a decent guy, but it would not be her fault, if some guy knowingly used her, and fvcked with her head for his own amusement. It is guys own fault for not recognizing what is happening, and cutting the strings, yes. It is not his fault that some cunnung bytch was bored, and targetted him in the first place though. He didnt ask for that.

The last three AW's I dealt with, I didnt bring on. I'll start with the last one. This chick started acting really interested in me. I didnt really know her, so I tried to figure out what she was all about. It turned out that she was full of shyt, and unlike other AW's she was interested in me at first, but once she got my attention, and I was about to go for her, she backed off, and started doing the same thing to other friends of mine. Thats fine, she changed her mind, whatever. So I stopped being so warm to her, and she closed in on me again, but I didnt fall for it, so I kept on being cold. She eventually got bored trying to make me her orbiter, and moved on. I was in no way hurt by her or anything, but she was an AW. She was only trying to get me 'into her' for her own validation. I have enough game to resist that shyt, and cut her off, so it doesnt bother me, and I've never bytched about it, but I dont really like her, because of that kind of shyt.

The one before that was a nut-case whack job. She was both super hot, and wierd looking at the same time. She totally strung me along for a couple weeks, making out with me at the bar, making plans, and flaking, etc. but whenever it came down do closing the deal, she would dissappear. I cut her off real quick too, as I saw right through her game. She came on to my natural friend one night, and invited him home. He thought it was on! She drove him across town, to her house. When they go in, she handed him a blanket, and pointed to the couch, and she went straight to her room! He was left going "what the fvck is this?" After a few minutes, he got pissed, and barged though her door, and said "take me the fvck home, bytch!" and she was in shock, but she drove him home. I dare ANYONE her to tell me that chick isnt an AW to the MAX! She also turned out to be bat shyt crazy, and a hooker.

Like being a 'bytch,' it isnt always who they are. sometimes its the situation. All girls can be a 'bytch,' it doesnt mean they are. Most girls can be AW's from time to time, it doesnt mean the always are. Some girls however, are AW's by nature, and they are dangerous. I have been HAD by girls like that in the past. Yes, it was my fault, for not seeing it early on, but I also saw EVERY other guy getting wrapped around their fingers. These girls play guys like this while they are in relationships. So they are very BAD girlfriends. my BPD ex was one of these girls. Im not talking just flirty here, either. Im talking ADMITTEDLY game playing manipulative bytches who walk all over their BF's, and have no basic respect for people in general. In a nutshell, they are EVIL.
There is no justification for them. This has nothing to do with other guys game, it is just in their nature to be this way, and they leave a path of destruction wherever they go. But hey, life's not fair, so we aren't allowed to call them names, right guys? It's perfectly OK for them to be emotional con-artists, cuz everyone should always see right through them from the very start, so it has NOTHING to do with her being a bad person in general, does it?

If you leave your wallet on your car seat with the windows rolled down, and it gets stolen, its your own fault. But, does that mean the person who took it isnt still a thief? A lot of AW's

 

[Blue Phoenix]

I´m impressed with Rollo Tomassi. As he is a psychologist (right?), he doesn´t know about personality disorders???

Girls indeed like attention, but AWs are the ultimate tease. So stating that all girls are Aw is plain wrong, they are not!

After a lot of research and pain I discovered that the label Aw is nothing more than HPD or even NPD. Histrionic/Narcissistic Pesonality Disorder.

A mnemonic that can be used to remember the criteria for histrionic personality disorder is PRAISE ME:

* P - provocative (or seductive) behavior
* R - relationships, considered more intimate than they are
* A - attention, must be at center of
* I - influenced easily
* S - speech (style) - wants to impress, lacks detail
* E - emotional lability, shallowness

* M - make-up - physical appearance used to draw attention to self
* E - exaggerated emotions - theatrical

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Histrionic-personality-disorder.html

This is a FACT! It´s not an opinion. The best thing we can do is to control our feelings, not to fall for them (never) and observe what they do/say. People who are insecure are easy targets (I used to be one). They are extremely secretive, that´s where their power stems from.

 

[sodbuster]

I've got one who works for me. She's married,but if I don't look down her shirt or at her butt and give her the attention she wants? In about 3 days, she'll read an x-ray with me{she doesn't know sh1t about reading them} and make SURE she rubs her boobs against my elbow.

Just because her husband is focking her and no one else is,doesn't make him alpha[she's an empty headed trophy wife], or she's not an AW. It's NOT behavior I'd want from my ltr-or put up with.

 

[YAboi]

this thread is almost like a mirror of the one i had going recently in that the OP's message is positive and the replies are very educational and some quite accurate, thank you for bumping this. Its opened my eyes even more and i have some new knowledge that will further make me strive to love and value myself even more.

 

[zekko]

The thing is if you are interested in sex, dating etc and the girl is only interested in your attention, then she is AWing you. Women commonly do this. I don't know why you are making this so complicated and saying it doesn't exist.

That sums it up pretty well.
AWs definitely exist, I've known some, and I've heard their friends tell me their confessions. The thing is, some girls are ADDICTED to attention from men. A guy will be minding his own business, not really be interested in her, and she will start thinking "why isn't he interested in me?". So she will start leading him on, as if she was interested, because she HAS TO HAVE the attention of all the males arounds her. So she tries to make him think she IS interested in him in order to get his attention when in fact she really isn't.

And that's where the problem is. And of course the classic reaction if he returns interest in her is she drops all interest in him. Because she got what she wanted, she proved to herself she could get him. And he's left there going wtf?

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Holy cow

Let me narrate another event with another AW. This was the second one I found.

Guys, your gut is your guide. Something told me that there was something wrong with this girl. She was asking me lots of questions, if I had a GF, and loads of touching and so on. She said I was "wild", I was "strong", yada yada. The moment I showed I liked her, BANG she completely changed her behavior, and started avoiding me. It´s scary. It´s like a snake in trance that had the spell broken.

Well, I gave her a hard time as I didn´t pursue her, nor told her I liked her. Yet I flirted heavily and teased her. With time it was obvious that I was falling for her, that was when she changed. See how sneaky they are, first she asked me to add her MSN, later she deleted me from her list. She didn´t know I could see I had been blocked! :kick:

The next day she was OPENLY talking about her BF, something she had never mentioned before.

This is the final blow. They always finish the same way. How to easily recognize her???

1. She comes on strong (if you don´t pay attention to her), with baits such as "nice shirt", "uhhhmm", "I love your smell"....

2. She puts on her best behavior, she´s charming, friendly.

3. WATCH OUT! They play hard to get!!! When you get closer she backs off, when you back off she gets closer. I don´t doubt there may be any attracion towards you but any little of it is solely based on the "desire" to win you over. If you call her she almost never answers it, if you send a message through Myspace the same!!.

*As Doc love says, when she likes you she makes it easy for you, she doesn´t play hard to get! She doesn´t act busy.

4. Her sole objective is to make you chase her at any cost and she will go to great lenghts to ensure that you do so, even if it means having sex with you (which almost never happens unless you are a cold-blooded Mother-fugger).

5. She´s always online and looking at her emails/myspace, or on the phone. They are fake.

6. Here´s the kicker! They´re master at making it seem that it was all your fault, that it was you who started flirting, who was hittin on her. She was too hot for you. They twist it in a way it´s scary, don´t get surprised if she brags to her GFs about you chasing her.

Conclusion? Instead of crying, Assume "I´m getting better at the game". Don´t wear you heart on you sleeve. This time it hurt less, way less than the first case. Why? Because this time I had the knowledge. I KNEW I was playing with fire. The hardest part is not showing she hurt you . You want revenge, you want to make her pay but in the end it´s more attention to her.

They are great for ONS only, even if you´re in a relationship with her she will cheat on you at the drop of a hat. They are the worst kind to fall for, they despise you if treat her very well. I once picked up a glass of water for her and she seemed annoyed.

You can be hung, drawn and quartered by AWs but they cannot destroy you, only make your skin thicker for the next fight. I thank 48 Laws as well as AOS by greene, these books can give you ammo you cannot imagine. Another great book is called "how to pick up women (2000)". There there´s a chapter called:

"SENORITAS ESCANDALOSA Scandalous Women - HOW TO PLAY WOMEN THAT PLAY GUYS"

Live and learn, peace!

 

[kody_starr]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if this is happening to you, it's because you (the male) are lacking in social skills, value, looks, confidence, something.

Also, don't have an attitude of entitlement: women aren't obligated to give you sex.

Most "pickup guys" I've met are so severely lacking or deficient in some very obvious area, it's really pointless to criticize any supposed deficiencies in women.

I met one pickup guy who constantly criticizes women for being b1tches. This dude is so goofy looking (ridiculous lack of fashion sense, goofy nerdy body language) himself I'm surprised he's gotten laid even once. But he would talk about b1tches teasing him, not putting out. He should've looked in the mirror.

As they say, when you point to something that's wrong in someone else, there's always three fingers pointing right back at ya!

 

[Blue Phoenix]

As they say, when you point to something that's wrong in someone else, there's always three fingers pointing right

You certainly have never met a harcore AW. They can play you like a violin. For sure my second encounter I didn´t crash and burn like the other times. This time I didn´t chase her, didn´t beg her, didn´t get overly enthusiastic, didn´t say I liked her, didn´t buy her things as I would´ve done (the first time). Thanks to this site and the books I mentioned above. I think the problem is that I look shy and naive, so they try to pull this sh*t on me to see what happens. I read somewhere here that most girls who are aggressive are game players, and this seems to be true.

The first time I would get way pissed, now not so much. Of course we all have our participation as Doc love says "There´re no victims, only volunteers". I certainly don´t see myself as victim, yet you cannot help but feel cheated anyway. Something that caught my attention was when I heard her saying to her friend "my skirt was so short that people were embarassed". You´ve gotta be around her while she talks to her friends, she will give herself away with such comments. That´s what I did, I should have listened more, maybe next time.

 

[Tazman]

I don't understand how guys don't see how women, in general, thrive on the attention they get from others, especially guys.

Calling any particular woman an AW is not an insult, it's just a label we give women who go above and beyond the norm in getting a guys attention, only to withdraw once they've had their fill. These women never had the intention of taking things further. They enjoy exploiting men who fall victim to their tactics. That's what they get off on.

Offering advice on how one can avoid this is one thing, but to say they don't exist and this phenomenon is only the perception of unattractive men with no game is crazy.

It's almost like saying there's no such thing as a dishonest salesman, if you pay for a product that doesn't live up to the promises made by the person that sold it to you, you're just an idiot who doesn't do his homework.

Either or could be true in any given circumstance.

 

[Phenomenal One]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if this is happening to you, it's because you (the male) are lacking in social skills, value, looks, confidence, something.

Sometimes that's not the case because man are taught to initate everything, so a woman for example not making first contact is seen as the guy having to take the lead.

Most "pickup guys" I've met are so severely lacking or deficient in some very obvious area, it's really pointless to criticize any supposed deficiencies in women.
I met one pickup guy who constantly criticizes women for being b1tches. This dude is so goofy looking (ridiculous lack of fashion sense, goofy nerdy body language) himself I'm surprised he's gotten laid even once. But he would talk about b1tches teasing him, not putting out. He should've looked in the mirror.
As they say, when you point to something that's wrong in someone else, there's always three fingers pointing right back at ya!

Quotes like that are the reason things are the way they are (no offense to you of course).

Some people believe that whenever someone has a problem with something the person themselves are the problem, since i had a problem with others pressuring me to get a pacific job, i was told that i was delusional and was gonna soon get a dose of reality.
Some people also think you have to be perfect in everyway possible to have a opinion on anything.

But i will say that there are certain things that some people should'nt have an opinion on (i can't have an opinion on skydiving since i've never skydived).

Offering advice on how one can avoid this is one thing, but to say they don't exist and this phenomenon is only the perception of unattractive men with no game is crazy.

I've heard the same thing said about B!tches (ex: She's not a b!tch you're just mad that she would'nt talk to you"), does'nt explain some of the ugly and/or fat b!tchy woman i keep encountering.
"You only have or see a problem because there's something wrong with you" is used these days as THE default answer to everything.