Furyguy
Senior Don Juan
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Paradox said:
Alle_Gory said:Why was this "truth" so important to you?
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That's what happens when you sell a half baked "documentary".canibis_trip said:I was just selling the movie, ripping people off, 4.99 for a DVD copy, plus 5.99 shipping.
So many people, and no one worth talking to.I studied a lot of things, I even have an account on myspace with 1000+ people.
Welcome to the real world. There are so many variables that it can be described as chaos and control is an illusion. To think some people can keep all these conspiracies quiet violates these principles. Even top-secret information leaks from time to time. The bigger the conspiracy, the less likely it is.The main motivation engine behind any truther is the thirst for knowledge. Believe it or not, we are forced to seek knowledge by things going on in this world. Such as the twins, pentagon, you name it. The whole civilization is being manipulated by nation builders. Truthers are sick of that, they want to keep their country, they want to keep their freedom and liberty, and their constitution. Perhaps the biggest Christmas wish we all have is that mind control box start telling the truth.
Yes those Israeli's are blood thirsty. You would know this if you watched anything other than Fox News all the time.Then came Gaza. We fought hard for Gaza with our information. We exposed fake Hamas videos, truth behind Israel, truth behind zionists, and how zionists are evil. Pretty much the whole religious Jewish world opposes Israel, plus Arabs, and now us Christians. But news is fed to you through TV, and you never see those things. Those fighters in Gaza are kids, and they are dying by hundreds each day. They are using DIMEs on them, tears limbs right off your body, and now there is a possibility of nuke. Those people are evil and all they want is our country being involved in a war. They took down the twins, took our wealth, and are about to finish us off.
I think we're being trolled. I'm still posting what I already wrote anyways.So to answer your question, in the end, truth is important because it showed me the evil and helped me discover God.
I find it quite remarkable you know about the Type 0-3 scale of civilization. Just to share with everyone what this scale means:We are on the verge of moving from Type 0 civilization to Type 1, or it could all end in a nuclear holocaust.
And herein is the ultimate irony of conspiracy theorists, I surmise. This whole "New World Order" thing which they oppose is precisely what we need -- globalism -- and so by opposing social policies such as free trade agreements and the European Union, they are opposing real social progress and therefore are the real evil douche bags. Conspiracy theorists -- and I currently personally know two -- always strike me as infantile.In a 1964 article on searching for extraterrestrial civilizations, the Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev suggested using radio telescopes to detect energy signals from other solar systems in which there might be civilizations of three levels of advancement: Type 1 can harness all of the energy of its home planet; Type 2 can harvest all of the power of its sun; and Type 3 can master the energy from its entire galaxy. Based on our energy efficiency at the time, in 1973 the astronomer Carl Sagan estimated that Earth represented a Type 0.7 civilization on a Type 0 to Type 1 scale. (More current assessments put us at 0.72.) As the Kardashevian scale is logarithmic -- where any increase in power consumption requires a huge leap in power production -- we have a ways before 1.0. Fossil fuels won't get us there. Renewable sources such as solar, wind and geothermal are a good start, and coupled to nuclear power could eventually get us to Type 1.
Yet the hurdles are not solely -- or even primarily -- technological ones. We have a proven track record of achieving remarkable scientific solutions to survival problems -- as long as there is the political will and economic opportunities that allow the solutions to flourish. In other words, we need a Type 1 polity and economy, along with the technology, in order to become a Type 1 civilization.
We are close. If we use the Kardashevian scale to plot humankind's progress, it shows how far we've come in the long history of our species from Type 0, and it leads us to see what a Type 1 civilization might be like:
Type 0.1: Fluid groups of hominids living in Africa. Technology consists of primitive stone tools. Intra-group conflicts are resolved through dominance hierarchy, and between-group violence is common.
Type 0.2: Bands of roaming hunter-gatherers that form kinship groups, with a mostly horizontal political system and egalitarian economy.
Type 0.3: Tribes of individuals linked through kinship but with a more settled and agrarian lifestyle. The beginnings of a political hierarchy and a primitive economic division of labor.
Type 0.4: Chiefdoms consisting of a coalition of tribes into a single hierarchical political unit with a dominant leader at the top, and with the beginnings of significant economic inequalities and a division of labor in which lower-class members produce food and other products consumed by non-producing upper-class members.
Type 0.5: The state as a political coalition with jurisdiction over a well-defined geographical territory and its corresponding inhabitants, with a mercantile economy that seeks a favorable balance of trade in a win-lose game against other states.
Type 0.6: Empires extend their control over peoples who are not culturally, ethnically or geographically within their normal jurisdiction, with a goal of economic dominance over rival empires.
Type 0.7: Democracies that divide power over several institutions, which are run by elected officials voted for by some citizens. The beginnings of a market economy.
Type 0.8: Liberal democracies that give the vote to all citizens. Markets that begin to embrace a nonzero, win-win economic game through free trade with other states.
Type 0.9: Democratic capitalism, the blending of liberal democracy and free markets, now spreading across the globe through democratic movements in developing nations and broad trading blocs such as the European Union.
Type 1.0: Globalism that includes worldwide wireless Internet access, with all knowledge digitized and available to everyone. A completely global economy with free markets in which anyone can trade with anyone else without interference from states or governments. A planet where all states are democracies in which everyone has the franchise.
—excerpt from here
Actually they don't do that at all.Cry For Love said:The conspiracy wackjobs... want something to confirm that the outside world is messed up and hopeless to change so they can use it to justify their inner problems with the excuse that improving themselves and working hard is pointless due to illuminati/jews/aliens/whatever
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Oh yes, yes, yes they do.KontrollerX:
Actually they don't do that at all.
Melley seeks to explain why conspiracy theories and paranoia have become so pervasive in American culture in recent decades. He discusses some of the paranoia behind our obsessions with political assassinations, gender and race relations, stalkers, mind control, bureaucracies, and the power of corporations and governments.
Melley proposes that conspiracy thinking arises from a combination of two factors, when someone: 1) holds strong individualist values and 2) lacks a sense of control. The first attribute refers to people who care deeply about an individual's right to make their own choices and direct their own lives without interference or obligations to a larger system (like the government). But combine this with a sense of powerlessness in one's own life, and you get what Melley calls agency panic, "intense anxiety about an apparent loss of autonomy" to outside forces or regulators.
When fervent individualists feel that they cannot exercise their independence, they experience a crisis and assume that larger forces are to blame for usurping this freedom. "For one who refuses to relinquish the assumptions of liberal individualism, such newly revealed forms of regulation frequently seem so unacceptable or unbelievable that they can only be met with anxiety, melodrama, or panic."
-- excerpt from "Paranoia, 9/11, and the roots of conspiracy theories" published in Psychology Today
Shermer also attributes external loci of control to weird beliefs.Being either high or low in intelligence is orthogonal to and independent of the normalness or weirdness of beliefs one holds. But these variables are not without some interaction effects. High intelligence... makes one skilled at defending beliefs arrived at for non-smart reasons...
Perkins (1981)... found a positive relationship between intelligence and the ability to justify beliefs, and a negative relationship between intelligence and the ability to consider other beliefs as viable. That is to say, smart people are better at rationalizing their beliefs with reasoned arguments, but as a consequence they are less open to considering other positions.
-- Michael Shermer, Why People Believe Weird Things, page 303.
In short, even smart people can step on horse dung.One of the most interesting areas of research on the psychology of belief is in the area of what psychologists call locus of control. People who measure high on external locus of control tend to believe that circumstances are beyond their control and that things just happen to them. People who measure high on internal locus of control tend to believe they are in control of their circumstances and that they make things happen.43 External locus of control leads to greater anxiety about the world, whereas internal locus of control leads one to be more confident in one’s judgment, skeptical of authority, and less compliant and conforming to external influences. In relation to beliefs, studies show that skeptics are high in internal locus of control whereas believers are high in external locus of control. A 1983 study by Jerome Tobacyk and Gary Milford of introductory psychology students at Louisiana Tech University, for example, found that those who scored high in external locus of control tended to believe in ESP, witchcraft, spiritualism, reincarnation, precognition, and were more superstitious than those students who scored high in internal locus of control...
The effect of locus of control on belief is also mitigated by the environment, where there is a relationship between the uncertainty of an environment and the level of superstitious belief (as uncertainty goes up so too does superstitions). The anthropologist Bronislaw Malinowski, for example, discovered that among the Trobriand Islanders (off the coast of New Guinea), the further out to sea they went to fish the more they developed superstitious rituals. In the calm waters of the inner lagoon, there were very few rituals. By the time they reached the dangerous waters of deep sea fishing, the Trobrianders were also deep into magic. Malinowski concluded that magical thinking derived from environmental conditions, not inherent stupidities: "We find magic wherever the elements of chance and accident, and the emotional play between hope and fear have a wide and extensive range. We do not find magic wherever the pursuit is certain, reliable, and well under the control of rational methods and technological processes. Further, we find magic where the element of danger is conspicuous." Think of the superstitions of baseball players. Hitting a baseball is exceedingly difficult, with the best succeeding barely more than three out of every ten times at bat. And hitters are known for their extensive reliance on rituals and superstitions that they believe will bring them good luck. These same superstitious players, however, drop the superstitions when they take the field, since most of them succeed in fielding the ball over 90 percent of the time. Thus, as with the other variables that go into shaping belief that are themselves orthogonal to intelligence, the context of the person and the belief system are important.
(online excerpt from Why People Believe Weird Things)
Deep Dish said:And herein is the ultimate irony of conspiracy theorists, I surmise. This whole "New World Order" thing which they oppose is precisely what we need -- globalism -- and so by opposing social policies such as free trade agreements and the European Union, they are opposing real social progress and therefore are the real evil douche bags. Conspiracy theorists -- and I currently personally know two -- always strike me as infantile.
amazonreviewer said:"Classic case where I'm forced to give one star because Amazon doesnt offer the option of giving "minus stars".
You would think (and i certainly fell for it) that with the topic such as the one this book deals with you would have a tremendous reading ahead of you, or at least, a very good shot at one.
Not even close. Melley, the author, takes this juicy issue and devoids it of all its substance. He goes on a tiring, ultraboring diatribe made up of wooden language and a pseudoscientific approach and by the time you reach (if you manage) page 50 you're about to quit and go watch some paint dry. I quit about 100 pages after that, but only because i spent money on this and i wanted to at least go as far as i could possibly tolerate it.
This author deals with conspiracies as if they dont, offhand, exist, as if it's a given that it's all the product of paranoiacs and dellusionals and based on this assumption which he doesnt bother anywhere to explain he goes on to a ride of incredible trite and utter nonsense employing psychology and sociology thinking that makes it all sound plausible and argumentative.
This, of course, doesnt cut it.
If you want to examine the culture of conspiracy theories, and what's more, show that it is all indeed paranoia, you would have to take the high profile theories and take them apart for what they are, or what you want to show that they are.
Like the JFK conspiracy theory for example. Melley cant seem to be bothered with the tons of evidence available anywhere from Jim Garrison's book to other books as well and websites for good measure that show that the official theory is a joke. Nope. It's all paranoia, paranoia, paranoia, and if you dont believe mr. Melley it is very possible you're paranoid too.
This is exactly how this book builds up, literally on thin air, with extremely weak arguments and with an approach that a CIA agent would be proud of if he'd written such a book.
While it is a fact that there IS a strong paranoia factor involved in the conspiracy theory culture, it is also a FACT that many conspiracy theories are not "theories". Anybody with a serious interest in history will attest to that.
And that is exactly my point. Since conspiracy theories and their analysis involve a good backround grasp of history spend your money on some other book. The author of this one seems to have a very poor understanding as well as knowledge of history and he'll waste your time like there's no tomorrow. If you anyway think in the lines of this book you dont need to read it anyway. Just watch the news every day, rest assured you're being told the truth and go to sleep. Applying sciences to build up a nonsensical theory is an old trick in itself and a poor one at that.
Back to my paint-drying watching...
Quite disturbing! In addition, I found this dreadful conspiracy from the past, it must see daylight!KontrollerX said:
Maddox is a cowardly d!ckhead who got owned when he tried to debate 911 truthers on his own fan forum.Cry For Love said:Quite disturbing! In addition, I found this dreadful conspiracy from the past, it must see daylight!
Coincidence? I dont think so .
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