article: Rise of the 30-something women who have NEVER had a boyfriend

[Smooth_texter]

If a woman has never been in an LTR (even if it was just a year) and she is not a virgin most likely she is just getting pumped and dumped by men above her league women like that, especially in their 30s are batshyt crazy and should be avoided unless she is Amish or super religious

Yes, I was implying that.

If a guy is vetting for an LTR, a simple question like "How long was your longest relationship" would do.

Her answer or hesitation would show you all you need to know.

 

[SW15]

And average young men sitting on the side lines asking themselves "what the F.... Rachel?????" But these young men can't do anything about it because slut shaming... telling these young women the truth, etc... That would be misogynistic and anachronism. 10 to 15 years later, the average women is now burnt out (some with even higher expectations than they started out with). The average man doesn't want her; no families are created.. She's asking where are all the "good men". The average men for the most part are going their own way a little sad they don't have families and kids; to protect and raise.

When women get into their 30s now as never married, childless women often with decent white collar jobs, their standards don't diminish that much. A 35 year old childless woman who isn't overweight will still generate a lot of interest on the swipe apps and Instagram, though her real life approaches have probably trailed off a bit by then.

There are enough simps/blue pill/beta male/ AFCs out there who are interested in women who have been riding the penis carousel for the last 10-15 years. Some will even commit.

 

[DreamAgain]

Society would also slut shame these women. Average women in the past would also avoid the "players". Today, the male chad is "allowed to be"; he is allowed to plow through average women and society allows women to be run through because "she has to find herself" or "it's just the 'natural' process of dating". Society in general is giving average women too much self-esteem. These women don't know that they are average and ruining their chances of having a decent and happy relationship with a man.

For society to change, fathers and mothers must impart to their average daughter that they are nothing special. SoooOOOOoo is that going to happen anytime soon?? Maybe, but most fathers sees their daughters as their "little special princess". So, it might take a generation or so. After all, if their fathers don't do that, then what usually happens is that their "little special princess" becomes old, lonely spinsters in real life. Obviously, fathers don't want that too.

God made average young women attractive at a young age so they can find an average man. Not to waste their youth chasing chad. Yes, I have met a few young 20's who haven't had a LTR... but I can tell, they have been on a few dates (I'm assuming with Chad who only used them for sex). Situationships are a thing now. Average women being treated badly by Chad in situationships. So yeah, men are the gate keepers of relationships. Average women trying to get LTR from Chad - this isn't going to happen for a alot of average women. Ultimately, that is why a lot of young women haven't been in LTR. There's only so many Chads to go around. They can't give LTRs to every average girl they run through.

And average young men sitting on the side lines asking themselves "what the F.... Rachel?????" But these young men can't do anything about it because slut shaming... telling these young women the truth, etc... That would be misogynistic and anachronism. 10 to 15 years later, the average women is now burnt out (some with even higher expectations than they started out with). The average man doesn't want her; no families are created.. She's asking where are all the "good men". The average men for the most part are going their own way a little sad they don't have families and kids; to protect and raise.

The feminist on the other hand are laughing all this time, because misery loves company.

America has had it too easy for too long, a recession or depression and perhaps a war would shake things up quite a bit to eliminate the special snowflake syndrome.

 

[Smooth_texter]

When women get into their 30s now as never married, childless women often with decent white collar jobs, their standards don't diminish that much. A 35 year old childless woman who isn't overweight will still generate a lot of interest on the swipe apps and Instagram, though her real life approaches have probably trailed off a bit by then.

There are enough simps/blue pill/beta male/ AFCs out there who are interested in women who have been riding the penis carousel for the last 10-15 years. Some will even commit.

Yes, I have started seeing this more and more in reality. That is why I do not agree with the whole "Wall at 25-28" red pill notion.

There are a few women that I know from social circles, who literally gave up on wanting kids (settling with Chad). And they are 32-25. I think that now less and less women settle, even with regards to their fertility window.

 

[SW15]

Yes, I have started seeing this more and more in reality. That is why I do not agree with the whole "Wall at 25-28" red pill notion.

In 2014, Roosh wrote an article about The Wall being softer than most men think it is. It is still applicable in 2023, if not more applicable.

The Wall Is Softer Than We Think

Yes, I have started seeing this more and more in reality. That is why I do not agree with the whole "Wall at 25-28" red pill notion.

There are a few women that I know from social circles, who literally gave up on wanting kids (settling with Chad). And they are 32-25. I think that now less and less women settle, even with regards to their fertility window.

The typical unmarried guy in his 30s/40s is a vagina beggar who will gladly accept an extended relationship with a similarly aged woman. He might have enough sense not to marry her, but even that is debatable.

Women in their mid-30s now are Millennials who have heard their entire lives to "Never Settle!". Feminism has been telling women since 1970 to "Never Settle!". Millennial women have really eaten up that mantra, even more so than Gen X women or Boomer women earlier.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Women in their mid-30s now are Millennials who have heard their entire lives to "Never Settle!". Feminism has been telling women since 1970 to "Never Settle!". Millennial women have really eaten up that mantra, even more so than Gen X women or Boomer women earlier.

Once an average girl has been wine and dined by Chad; noticed how her social standings have increased by being with chad... been envied by other girls for being with Chad.. etc.. etc.. It's hard for her to go back to the average guy. She doesn't understand that having a good LTR relationship with an average guy is a lot better than chasing the dragon. Most average girls cannot see that far in the future. They only see the Chads... the attractive smile.. the confidence.. the status.. etc...

 

[Mike32ct]

Once an average girl has been wine and dined by Chad; noticed how her social standings have increased by being with chad... been envied by other girls for being with Chad.. etc.. etc.. It's hard for her to go back to the average guy. She doesn't understand that having a good LTR relationship with an average guy is a lot better than chasing the dragon. Most average girls cannot see that far in the future. They only see the Chads... the attractive smile.. the confidence.. the status.. etc...

Along the lines of status…

The peer pressure for her to stay with Chads is higher. Most guys DGAF if their buddy is dating down in looks (or up in age or weight). But women can be brutal to their friends that appear to be “settling.”

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

So they haven't been in LTR? Just means they were too critical to consider any of their fvck buddies for a boyfriend.

 

[Redwood]

Both sides are going through it here OP.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If someone hasn’t had a BF/GF by 30. There is likely some issue with them.

 

[BadBoy89]

No man of reasonable value will commit to any woman in her 30s or 40s, He will use them for companionship, having fun, having sex, etc, But commitment to a 30 or 40 year old? Get the heck out of his face. He will commit to a fresh faced feminine 22 year old, but if a 30+ thinks a decent valued man will commit to her, she is delusional.

In their 20s, women want to be feminists (study, own a business, get a degree) and men want women to be traditionalists (stay at home, get pregnant, cook clean). In their 30s and 40s, woman want to be traditionalists and men want them to be feminists (split the bills, do half the work)

 

[SW15]

No man of reasonable value will commit to any woman in her 30s or 40s,

But plenty of lower value, thirsty AFCs will do so.

 

[Slowhandluke]

But plenty of lower value, thirsty AFCs will do so.

Just speculation:

On average for a group of 10 young men, 1 will be a chad (who gets the majority of women); 2 will be in a relationship because they were chosen by women who are not picky and who were realistic. 7 men will be ignored by the majority of women. Out of these 7, 2 of them will be low value thirsty AFC. 5 men will go their own way by not dating at all...

2 AFCs out of 10... that's not too bad I think. Most women do not want these AFCs though.. so for the average woman who has been burned by chad, the average women must pick up the sub average men... or stay alone because the average men (the 5 out of 10 men) will not be up to marrying. These are the men the average women are suppose to hook up with, but these women rode the carousel...

I don't consider 2 out of 10 to be "plenty".

Addendum: to think about it some more, I think the 2 out of 10 are AFCs might be too much. I think that number is more like 1. Basically out of 10 guys you know, how many of them are thirsty AFC? Anecdotally, I think I have 1 aquantiance/friend like that. I think most people like me only know 1 out of every 10 people.

So out of 20 men, 2 will be AFC
... out of 100, that is 10.. it may seem like a lot, but it isnt... especially compare to the men who are not dating at all.. out of 100 people, 60 men are doing their own thing and not dating while 10 are AFCs begging for a relationship. 60 is a lot more than 10...

 

[The Duke]

No man of reasonable value will commit to any woman in her 30s or 40s, He will use them for companionship, having fun, having sex, etc, But commitment to a 30 or 40 year old? Get the heck out of his face. He will commit to a fresh faced feminine 22 year old, but if a 30+ thinks a decent valued man will commit to her, she is delusional.

Life isn't so black and white. I've committed to women in their 30's and 40's, all a few years younger than me, and I have value. You realize the average age gap is 2-3years between male/female couples? There are plenty of 30-40yo's on OLD playing hard to get. These girls have many suiters.

By your logic, there should be no men of value committed to 30-30 year old female. But its not even close to reality. This Pew research article even says only 19% of 30-49yo females are single. That means 81% are in some form of a committed relationship.

What you claim does not match what I see nor what Pew Research claims. Not even close.

1. A profile of single Americans

Many single adults in the U.S. are content being on their own. Of the half who are not looking for a relationship or dates at the moment, having more

www.pewresearch.org

 

[pipeman84]

No man of reasonable value will commit to any woman in her 30s or 40s, He will use them for companionship, having fun, having sex, etc, But commitment to a 30 or 40 year old? Get the heck out of his face. He will commit to a fresh faced feminine 22 year old, but if a 30+ thinks a decent valued man will commit to her, she is delusional.

In theory yes, real life though is much more nuanced than that. Firstly there isn't a clear definition of what it means to be a man of reasonable value. Most people would describe Jeff Bezos as such, yet he committed to Lauren Sanchez, who is in her early 50s. Secondly, even if we agree that a group of guys are high value, they won't all have the same desires. Some of them will be gay. Others won't be interested in fresh faced feminine 22yrs olds. And so on.

 

[RickTheToad]

She's getting her holes stuffed. No chance that's not happening. She's doable.

 

[Slowhandluke]

This Pew research article even says only 19% of 30-49yo females are single. That means 81% are in some form of a committed relationship.

1. A profile of single Americans

Many single adults in the U.S. are content being on their own. Of the half who are not looking for a relationship or dates at the moment, having more

www.pewresearch.org

Basically women from 30 years old to 50 where most of them did not grew up with social media 24x7. Different generation of people.

Lets say what you say is true, 81% of 30 to 50 year olds are in relationships, why not focus on the segment of society that is actively looking to form LTR? The 20 year olds and the early 30 year old? Most of these people went through or are going through this period where social media is so predominant in a person's life and where average women imho think they are so better than the average man.

With my previous math, approximately only 30% of these young men are in committed relationships while approximately 70% are not (they arent in ANY type of relationship at all). And conversely, 70% of women are not in committed relationships but instead situation-ships and serial dating.

This correlates to what in see in real life. The late 30s to basically 50 year olds. Well, I agree most are in committed relationship. However, the trend is for them to be more single due to divorce and not remarrying... the percent is obviously smaller, but historically the rate is pretty high even for this group of older people

Also, I don't have any evidence, but I feel there are more older men, young women relationships.. I think this is a trend. Something like in the old days the rate of this happening would be 1% or 2 %... but now it seems more like 3 or 4%. These relationships have a age gap of over 10 years or more. Just an impression I get. Basically successful men who's wife's want to get a divorce because of "you go girl" and then he remarry some one young. In the past he would just have unrequited "love", or a mistress while still being married with his wife. But now since divorce is so prevalent, he just gets another younger model... just my opinion.

 

[kavi]

The quality of men across the spectrum is too low. This is because women have a certain level of inherent Game that men actually need to develop, and this system pushes men away from learning Game (social, emotional, vibe, connection, etc) because the socio-economic system doesnt allow time, opportunities or energy for it.

Personally, IMO, it tends to be lower quality women that have had bfs and LTRs. If a see a women with a bf 90% of the time I think he is a waste of time and she is lowering her value. It is what it is.

90% of bfs and ltrs are just 'convenience' relationships ie settling for a guy because she dont wanna be alone, need someone as she dont have female friends or social life, or wants to get married and have kids.

But other than that, you guys have to understand, the gap between where men/society is and what is needed for women to feel the vibes is humongous, bigger than ever.

Infact, when I see here posts saying women have bfs or are taken Im like wtf that is not my experience at all. Everytime a meet a chick and vibe with her I have like 90% confidence she will still be single years later and I feel no rush or constraint or competitino at all frmo any guy.

 

[Gamisch]

Society would also slut shame these women. Average women in the past would also avoid the "players". Today, the male chad is "allowed to be"; he is allowed to plow through average women and society allows women to be run through because "she has to find herself" or "it's just the 'natural' process of dating". Society in general is giving average women too much self-esteem. These women don't know that they are average and ruining their chances of having a decent and happy relationship with a man.

For society to change, fathers and mothers must impart to their average daughter that they are nothing special. SoooOOOOoo is that going to happen anytime soon?? Maybe, but most fathers sees their daughters as their "little special princess". So, it might take a generation or so. After all, if their fathers don't do that, then what usually happens is that their "little special princess" becomes old, lonely spinsters in real life. Obviously, fathers don't want that too.

God made average young women attractive at a young age so they can find an average man. Not to waste their youth chasing chad. Yes, I have met a few young 20's who haven't had a LTR... but I can tell, they have been on a few dates (I'm assuming with Chad who only used them for sex). Situationships are a thing now. Average women being treated badly by Chad in situationships. So yeah, men are the gate keepers of relationships. Average women trying to get LTR from Chad - this isn't going to happen for a alot of average women. Ultimately, that is why a lot of young women haven't been in LTR. There's only so many Chads to go around. They can't give LTRs to every average girl they run through.

And average young men sitting on the side lines asking themselves "what the F.... Rachel?????" But these young men can't do anything about it because slut shaming... telling these young women the truth, etc... That would be misogynistic and anachronistic. 10 to 15 years later, the average women is now burnt out (some with even higher expectations then they started out with). The average man doesn't want her; no families are created.. She's asking where are all the "good men". The average men for the most part are going their own way a little sad they don't have families and kids; to protect and raise.

The feminist on the other hand are laughing all this time, because misery loves company.

I really LOVE this post. Man , it's unfortunate sosauve is so small. Tons of gold nuggets being dropped.

This is a great post. Describes the dynamic so well. We all.know this, but you've penned it down great. Eventually nobody's happy. Even Chad ends up unhappy when he faces the same issue that hot women face ; getting replaced with a hittrr younger generation of men.

Just speculation:

On average for a group of 10 young men, 1 will be a chad (who gets the majority of women); 2 will be in a relationship because they were chosen by women who are not picky and who were realistic. 7 men will be ignored by the majority of women. Out of these 7, 2 of them will be low value thirsty AFC. 5 men will go their own way by not dating at all...

2 AFCs out of 10... that's not too bad I think. Most women do not want these AFCs though.. so for the average woman who has been burned by chad, the average women must pick up the sub average men... or stay alone because the average men (the 5 out of 10 men) will not be up to marrying. These are the men the average women are suppose to hook up with, but these women rode the carousel...

I don't consider 2 out of 10 to be "plenty".

Addendum: to think about it some more, I think the 2 out of 10 are AFCs might be too much. I think that number is more like 1. Basically out of 10 guys you know, how many of them are thirsty AFC? Anecdotally, I think I have 1 aquantiance/friend like that. I think most people like me only know 1 out of every 10 people.

So out of 20 men, 2 will be AFC
... out of 100, that is 10.. it may seem like a lot, but it isnt... especially compare to the men who are not dating at all.. out of 100 people, 60 men are doing their own thing and not dating while 10 are AFCs begging for a relationship. 60 is a lot more than 10...

Imo your calculations are wrong. Because you've implied that FIVE(!!!) man practice what i call " sexual discipline " while only two are "victims of their own D".

Nope

Its the other way around! If your calculation was correct there wouldn't be OF, pornhib, breastarants, strip clubs ect. They mainly exist because of those 5( half of ALL men) are AFC's.

If your calculation was correct we would simply look down upon both those two men, and like you(?) said , the "really wrong" player would also be forced to adjust more to "normal men" because women would be ashamed to be seen with him.