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[Masculinity]

A lot of game is simply turning the fvcking tables on them.

Men gaming is not turning the tables on women at all. It's simply playing their game.

Both of you are right and referring to the same/similar set of concepts. The difference is merely semantics.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Men gaming is not turning the tables on women at all. It's simply playing their game. At the social level, this is what encourages the kind of behavior that we complain about in women. Why do we complain, and yet contribute to the cultural mess? Because there is a split within ourselves between our individual 'self-interest' and our rationality... our natural and rational desires.

Turning the tables would involve refusing to play the game, and acting with some solidarity. Actually, that is what a quality woman is looking for... a source of strength, stability, and authenticity, to which she could be grounded.

In today's day and age, you HAVE to know how to turn the tables. You HAVE to know how to manipulate a situation around in your favor. Everything is about wording and creating your own social rules and values that SOUND like they are society's rules and values. Social dynamics are dependent upon the person with the strongest personality and greatest leadership. Playing the game in the end is still playing by HER rules.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Both of you are right and referring to the same/similar set of concepts. The difference is merely semantics.

Not really. Turning the tables means turning upside down the whole apple-cart. The table is the game, and if you turn the tables you are putting it out of business.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

In today's day and age, you HAVE to know how to turn the tables. You HAVE to know how to manipulate a situation around in your favor. Everything is about wording and creating your own social rules and values that SOUND like they are society's rules and values. Social dynamics are dependent upon the person with the strongest personality and greatest leadership. Playing the game in the end is still playing by HER rules.

This is NOT turning the tables, but playing at the table. Read above post to see what 'turning the tables' means.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

An example of turning the tables. A lot of men put women on pedestals, they seek women's approval, they view women as the prize (culturally if the man is led to believe "he gets lucky with a woman"). Game often requires a changing of mindset.........the changing of mindset turns many of these things around (i.e. the expression turning the tables) She is no longer the prize, you are.......you no longer seek her approval, she seeks yours.....you take her off the pedestal and become more dominant (thus elevating yourself). These are basic examples....

But go on, enlighten me.....seen as I am wrong according to you...

What's game to you? writing them poetry? become their best friend?

Once again, this is not turning the tables, but more like playing at the same table and looking to 'beat the house'.

To compare it to the gambling table, the pre-gamer would be the naïve gambler trying his luck and we all know the house always wins. On the other hand, a Gamer would be someone who looks to somehow re-stack the odds in his favor through recourse to some system.

But the 'turner-of-the-table' would simply refuse to play the game in the first place, either as a sucker or a con.

In this analogy, the house is that dizzy twenty-something majority with their gaudy neons lights advertising a good time to be had by all.

The post-gamer keeps his distance and would only bother himself with an exceptional woman.

 

[Reykhel]

Both of you are right and referring to the same/similar set of concepts. The difference is merely semantics.

You're right mate.

I see now the pedant is arguing about the meaning of two very very similar idiomatic expressions.

Turn the tables, reverse the situation and gain the upper hand (reversing the situations which I gave examples of)
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/turn+the+tables

Play at own game. Try to get an advantage over someone by using the same methods.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/play+at+own+game

I can see he's now talking about "post game" implying that he's above game and would only bother with an "exceptional" woman.........whatever the hell an exceptional woman is. I guess he must be an exceptional man.

Don't you love these guys who come along and try to redefine what game it, to fit nicely into the view they have of themselves and
of the world.....

The "post gamers" for fvck sake...

It's like what the 48 laws says "the supposed non players are merely throwing dust in your eyes"

Pretending that they are opting out of the game because they are above it, when they are merely redefining game to incorporate their own inadequacies and flaws.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Even if the idiom 'turning the tables' in common usage means a reversal, I'm using turn the tables in the more literal sense [I think the phrase originally goes back to Christ turning over the tables of the money-changers in the temple in a rage].

The essence of my meaning is not to play the game, which as was pointed out, women are only naturally very good at.

Of course there would be such a thing as a 'post-gamer'... just as there are 'pre-gamers'. It would be someone who may be fully cognizant with game, but seeing it itself as one language game among many, may have decided to move on... or have taken some parts and left others... or has subordinated it to a larger world view. I mean it would be silly to think of it as the last and definitive word on the way things really are... or even cultish. As if the world revolved around women for heaven's sake.

 

[Reykhel]

The game of power never ends...

There's a subtle social dynamics happening all around you every day, whether you like it or not.

Covert communication, sub communications, body language......energy........

If you are in contact with people you are involved in the game of power.

...."if the game of power is inescapable, better to be an artist than a denier or a bungler...."

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

It's language that would describe reality for us that is more powerful today. It gets a hold of our minds, and we see reality simply in those terms. Personally, I love the power of language, which is why I love poetry. But the problem with any discourse is that it can become set in stone and too serious. This is where skepticism plays an important role. By recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of all particular discourses, you can't get tied down to one in particular.... like many wouldn't want to with a woman. Negative capability, the uncertainty principle, and all that.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

This is NOT turning the tables, but playing at the table. Read above post to see what 'turning the tables' means.

It's basically the 'no-bullish!t' mentality.

 

[Reykhel]

Basically, @ChristopherColumbus is arguing for going his own way.

I would ask when the last time his terrible attitude got him laid. But I know he would devalue getting laid, by calling people who enjoy sex "low quality 90% trash".

He'd probably do it by using good diction, but that's what he would do.

Spot on description of this "guy's" modus operandi. Bravo.

What sort of a person signs up to a seduction website to "player shame" and belittle "game"......deluded

He tries to put himself pretentiously "beyond game", @wifehunter is another, who cringeworthy states
that he is above 99% of the "garbage women", thus "they are above even bothering", while at the same time alluding to "plates" that
they have or "dates" that they have or "starbucks conversations with one of the 1%" but they forgot to ask for the number......or chatting to a girl in a bar but they didn't like the clothes she was wearing so they didn't go for the number or lay (seriously)......of course he denies that this has anything to do with approach "weasels" (excuses/fear of rejection) that pop into one's mind....

Personally, I'm open minded and I'm willing to listen to their methods if they are getting the results that they want from women. I mean explain how being out of the game is magically getting you puzzy. I'm all ears. But alas I am assuming they are on a seduction website because they like having women to play with in their lives........how wrong how wrong.

However, I think you're correct. It's the MGTOW approach that they are going for. MGOTW and CELIBACY.