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Master Don Juan
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Both of you are right and referring to the same/similar set of concepts. The difference is merely semantics.
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ImTheDoubleGreatest!
Master Don Juan
In today's day and age, you HAVE to know how to turn the tables. You HAVE to know how to manipulate a situation around in your favor. Everything is about wording and creating your own social rules and values that SOUND like they are society's rules and values. Social dynamics are dependent upon the person with the strongest personality and greatest leadership. Playing the game in the end is still playing by HER rules.
ChristopherColumbus
Master Don Juan
Not really. Turning the tables means turning upside down the whole apple-cart. The table is the game, and if you turn the tables you are putting it out of business.
ChristopherColumbus
Master Don Juan
This is NOT turning the tables, but playing at the table. Read above post to see what 'turning the tables' means.
ChristopherColumbus
Master Don Juan
Once again, this is not turning the tables, but more like playing at the same table and looking to 'beat the house'.
To compare it to the gambling table, the pre-gamer would be the naïve gambler trying his luck and we all know the house always wins. On the other hand, a Gamer would be someone who looks to somehow re-stack the odds in his favor through recourse to some system.
But the 'turner-of-the-table' would simply refuse to play the game in the first place, either as a sucker or a con.
In this analogy, the house is that dizzy twenty-something majority with their gaudy neons lights advertising a good time to be had by all.
The post-gamer keeps his distance and would only bother himself with an exceptional woman.
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What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.
You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
You're right mate.
I see now the pedant is arguing about the meaning of two very very similar idiomatic expressions.
Turn the tables, reverse the situation and gain the upper hand (reversing the situations which I gave examples of)
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/turn+the+tables
Play at own game. Try to get an advantage over someone by using the same methods.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/play+at+own+game
I can see he's now talking about "post game" implying that he's above game and would only bother with an "exceptional" woman.........whatever the hell an exceptional woman is. I guess he must be an exceptional man.
Don't you love these guys who come along and try to redefine what game it, to fit nicely into the view they have of themselves and
of the world.....
The "post gamers" for fvck sake...
It's like what the 48 laws says "the supposed non players are merely throwing dust in your eyes"
Pretending that they are opting out of the game because they are above it, when they are merely redefining game to incorporate their own inadequacies and flaws.
ChristopherColumbus
Master Don Juan
Even if the idiom 'turning the tables' in common usage means a reversal, I'm using turn the tables in the more literal sense [I think the phrase originally goes back to Christ turning over the tables of the money-changers in the temple in a rage].
The essence of my meaning is not to play the game, which as was pointed out, women are only naturally very good at.
Of course there would be such a thing as a 'post-gamer'... just as there are 'pre-gamers'. It would be someone who may be fully cognizant with game, but seeing it itself as one language game among many, may have decided to move on... or have taken some parts and left others... or has subordinated it to a larger world view. I mean it would be silly to think of it as the last and definitive word on the way things really are... or even cultish. As if the world revolved around women for heaven's sake.
The essence of my meaning is not to play the game, which as was pointed out, women are only naturally very good at.
Of course there would be such a thing as a 'post-gamer'... just as there are 'pre-gamers'. It would be someone who may be fully cognizant with game, but seeing it itself as one language game among many, may have decided to move on... or have taken some parts and left others... or has subordinated it to a larger world view. I mean it would be silly to think of it as the last and definitive word on the way things really are... or even cultish. As if the world revolved around women for heaven's sake.
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The game of power never ends...
There's a subtle social dynamics happening all around you every day, whether you like it or not.
Covert communication, sub communications, body language......energy........
If you are in contact with people you are involved in the game of power.
...."if the game of power is inescapable, better to be an artist than a denier or a bungler...."
There's a subtle social dynamics happening all around you every day, whether you like it or not.
Covert communication, sub communications, body language......energy........
If you are in contact with people you are involved in the game of power.
...."if the game of power is inescapable, better to be an artist than a denier or a bungler...."
ChristopherColumbus
Master Don Juan
It's language that would describe reality for us that is more powerful today. It gets a hold of our minds, and we see reality simply in those terms. Personally, I love the power of language, which is why I love poetry. But the problem with any discourse is that it can become set in stone and too serious. This is where skepticism plays an important role. By recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of all particular discourses, you can't get tied down to one in particular.... like many wouldn't want to with a woman. Negative capability, the uncertainty principle, and all that.
Negative capability, the uncertainty principle, and all that.
ImTheDoubleGreatest!
Master Don Juan
It's basically the 'no-bullish!t' mentality.
Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
Spot on description of this "guy's" modus operandi. Bravo.
What sort of a person signs up to a seduction website to "player shame" and belittle "game"......deluded
He tries to put himself pretentiously "beyond game", @wifehunter is another, who cringeworthy states
that he is above 99% of the "garbage women", thus "they are above even bothering", while at the same time alluding to "plates" that
they have or "dates" that they have or "starbucks conversations with one of the 1%" but they forgot to ask for the number......or chatting to a girl in a bar but they didn't like the clothes she was wearing so they didn't go for the number or lay (seriously)......of course he denies that this has anything to do with approach "weasels" (excuses/fear of rejection) that pop into one's mind....
Personally, I'm open minded and I'm willing to listen to their methods if they are getting the results that they want from women. I mean explain how being out of the game is magically getting you puzzy. I'm all ears. But alas I am assuming they are on a seduction website because they like having women to play with in their lives........how wrong how wrong.
However, I think you're correct. It's the MGTOW approach that they are going for. MGOTW and CELIBACY.