Are "women's high expectations" in dating actually made up by men?

[Robert28]

Not sure what type of woman you are trying to date, but I have literally never run into any of the excuses you just listed. I am 6'0 on the dot, no tattoos by the way. Nor have I ever heard of a quality woman desiring a man with a criminal record. That is beyond laughable.

First, you sound you are going for a certain type of woman that maybe doesn't mesh well with you. Second, if you are about 5'11-6'0, a woman who is 5'7 is not going to reject you because you aren't tall enough -- at least not a regular basis. It sounds like these women are using these as the excuse they use to your face not to date you -- but that is likely not the real reason they don't want to date you. My two cents.

Well every guys problems could be solved by finding a quality woman. Now, where do you find them? They sure aren’t in abundance. I’m only 5’10 and I have been rejected several times by women 5’4-5’8” because they had a hang up on height. When their ex was 6’3” I kind of stand out as “short” to them. You will always be compared to the previous ex they dated. Always. If he had tattoos and you don’t, strike one. If he had a beard and you didn’t, strike 2. Men don’t want to face the fact that women are shallow and petty, but they very much are.

 

[Robert28]

You're only going to attract the pathetic incels and blackpillers on the forum with posts like this, all rushing to refute this with their own projected bitterness and self-imposed limitations.

I've never been rejected for being under 6'. I've never been rejected for not having tattoos. I've been rejected plenty of times for being an a$$hole. I've been dumped by attractive women for guys who were nicer and more "beta" than I am.

When you've got guys here in their 40's using incel jargon and complaining because Tinder girls in their 20's screen them out for being under 6', you know who you're dealing with.

You’ve never been rejected for being under 6’ that you know of.

 

[Grounded eagle]

Let's be real. We all love our stereotypes.
Could it be that women's high expectations in dating are just that? Generic stereotypes made up in men's heads?

On most occasions:
• You don't need to be over 6' feet tall, just taller then her.
• You don't need to be rich, just to have a secure average paying job.
• You don't need to be a hunk, just take enough care your looks.
• You don't have to be an *******, just to have a backbone.

Oh I wish some of these were just stereotypes.Life would be so much easier.Lack of social skills is a noticeable absentee though.

 

[Barrister]

Well every guys problems could be solved by finding a quality woman. Now, where do you find them? They sure aren’t in abundance. I’m only 5’10 and I have been rejected several times by women 5’4-5’8” because they had a hang up on height. When their ex was 6’3” I kind of stand out as “short” to them. You will always be compared to the previous ex they dated. Always. If he had tattoos and you don’t, strike one. If he had a beard and you didn’t, strike 2. Men don’t want to face the fact that women are shallow and petty, but they very much are.

I agree that you will be compared to previous exes. Just like you will compare the women you date to your own previous exes. That is human nature. But I disagree that women are going to NEXT you because you don't have tattoos or you are "only" 4-5 inches taller than they are. I mean yeah there are some crazies out there like this -- the vast majority are not. And I agree that most women are very shallow -- but not to that extent.

You are harnessing too much negative energy, brother.

 

[Grounded eagle]

- I’ve been a good 3-4” taller than a girl that claimed she was 5’7”, I was too short for her.
- you don’t need to be rich when women are in their 20’s but they do care about that stuff when they’re dragging bastard kids behind them in their 30’s. Height is more important than money though.
- you don’t need to be a hunk BUT I have been rejected because I didn’t have tattoos. Tattoos represent you’re a “bad boy” in their eyes. Women are shocked when I tell them I don’t have any and then want me to explain why I won’t be getting any. You can shower all day and dress to the 9’s but the lack of tattoos makes you “weird” by today’s standards. One woman even called me prudish, “I like my men to have an edge about them, you come off as prudish”.
- No, you need to be an ass. Criminal record helps too. Maybe a former drug habit or be an alcoholic, they seem to love that.

What type of women are you going for? I have short friends who are quite successful with women.The tattoo thing MIGHT be a desirable thing for some,but I don’t think it’s the almighty variable that gets you dumped. I would suggest you look elsewhere, and find out why you’re really getting rejected. I have only ever heard about the criminal record thing(in movies lol)but I have never actually seen it come into play.

 

[Grounded eagle]

Well every guys problems could be solved by finding a quality woman. Now, where do you find them? They sure aren’t in abundance. I’m only 5’10 and I have been rejected several times by women 5’4-5’8” because they had a hang up on height. When their ex was 6’3” I kind of stand out as “short” to them. You will always be compared to the previous ex they dated. Always. If he had tattoos and you don’t, strike one. If he had a beard and you didn’t, strike 2. Men don’t want to face the fact that women are shallow and petty, but they very much are.

A woman can’t give your life fulfillment.A woman can’t help you achieve your goals.A woman can’t help you fulfill your potential.In fact,play your cards wrong and a woman will ruin you.There may be quality women out there,but you can only attract them by being a quality man.If you’re a bum with no redeeming qualities,your outcomes will reflect this.

 

[mrskinnypantz]

Let's be real. We all love our stereotypes.
Could it be that women's high expectations in dating are just that? Generic stereotypes made up in men's heads?

On most occasions:
• You don't need to be over 6' feet tall, just taller then her.
• You don't need to be rich, just to have a secure average paying job.
• You don't need to be a hunk, just take enough care your looks.
• You don't have to be an *******, just to have a backbone.
[/QUOTE


notice he said ''on most occasions'' guys. do you seriously think that a 4'0 girl is lookin for a 6'3 guy/
look how silly that sounds.
rich lmao not even gonna comment there cause i know too many broke guys that get laid so much they turn down ***** to go crash on their motorcycle (wtf?) they dont even own the motorcycle
(yup the criminal thing works) *too well
being a hunk works but you can skate acrosss being a regular dude who's just not fat (being fat means you gave up on yourself mentally, and that you sit around eating **** food all day with no goals or ambition And thats highly unnAttractive plus it hints at mental disease because having that kind of relationship with food means you dont have any friendz)
being an ******* also works wonders because anything is better than bein a ***** /.
)

 

[rjc149]

You’ve never been rejected for being under 6’ that you know of.

Right, so why would I give a fvck? If a woman has never made it explicitly clear to me that I was being rejected for falling 2 inches below her height requirement, then why would my height be something I cared about?

 

[PRW63]

Let's be real. We all love our stereotypes.
Could it be that women's high expectations in dating are just that? Generic stereotypes made up in men's heads?

On most occasions:
• You don't need to be over 6' feet tall, just taller then her.
• You don't need to be rich, just to have a secure average paying job.
• You don't need to be a hunk, just take enough care your looks.
• You don't have to be an *******, just to have a backbone.

This is a bunch of crap. Since when does anyone perfectly follow their expectations? The expectations are what they are and everyone's knows what they are because we hear it from women all the time from their own mouths. NO they aren't stereotypes made up in men's heads. Just because the women finally settled for something less in the end does not mean the expectations weren't,...aren't,...still real. They just didn't achieve their stupid unrealistic expectations. If you ended up dating her and you don't meet those stupid expectations,...don't think for a second if some guy comes into her orbit and meets those expectations that you won't get dumped in a heartbeat in favor of him.

 

[rjc149]

This is a bunch of crap. Since when does anyone perfectly follow their expectations? The expectations are what they are and everyone's knows what they are because we hear it from women all the time from their own mouths. NO they aren't stereotypes made up in men's heads. Just because the women finally settled for something less in the end does not mean the expectations weren't,...aren't,...still real. They just didn't achieve their stupid unrealistic expectations. If you ended up dating her and you don't meet those stupid expectations,...don't think for a second if some guy comes into her orbit and meets those expectations that you won't get dumped in a heartbeat in favor of him.

Right so let's say you're dating a cute girl. Girl next door, not an Instaho. She's perfect for you, and you have a functional, fulfilling relationship. You both love each other.

Now, your physical preference was always more for big-titty blonde women with round asses and an hourglass shape, you know, like all those swimsuit models and pornstars you grew up beating off to. One of these blonde women "comes into your orbit" and starts giving you clear IOI's.

If you're telling me you'd dump your girlfriend "in a heartbeat" for the blonde titty model, then you're just as much of a piece of sh!t as the small minority of shallow, garbage women who would actually do this.

 

[Focal core]

If you're telling me you'd dump your girlfriend "in a heartbeat" for the blonde titty model, then you're just as much of a piece of sh!t as the small minority of shallow, garbage women who would actually do this.

No its true that women will leave when a 6ft man in her orbit and actually mate with him for an offspring.. You live in planet earth.. Women in planet eart are programmed to get the best mate they can get. These were made more blunt by short chicks.. She, then will do her best helping her husband to pool in more money for them.. Even know women makes lots of money than men these days.

Women are not like men.. Their biology dictates her behavior.

 

[rjc149]

No its true that women will leave when a 6ft man in her orbit and actually mate with him for an offspring.. You live in planet earth.. Women in planet eart are programmed to get the best mate they can get. These were made more blunt by short chicks.. She, then will do her best helping her husband to pool in more money for them.. Even know women makes lots of money than men these days.

Women are not like men.. Their biology dictates her behavior.

Biology dictates our behavior just as much -- even more so. We want younger, hotter, sexier, more fertile. Their personalities come second to their looks. Always. Are you arguing with that?

And yeah it's true that women will want to leave their man when he's no longer adding any value to her life. When he loses his job and stops providing, lets himself go physically, starts acting like a pathetic b!tch (sort of like the black pillers here), stops courting her and providing emotional nourishment, etc.

Men will want to leave their wives when she gets fat, starts acting like a nagging tyrant (often when kids enter the picture), gets an "easy maintenance" butch haircut etc.

But according to you, a woman's hypergamy is an automatic, reptilian response that she acts upon immediately, in every instance. But married men never start fvcking their hot secretaries.

 

[allergictobs]

No its true that women will leave when a 6ft man in her orbit and actually mate with him for an offspring.. You live in planet earth.. Women in planet eart are programmed to get the best mate they can get.

About 50% of women can get the >6ft male model for a one night stand (and potentially reproduce with him). Are they all tempted? Yes. Will they do it? Most won't when in a serious relationship. Women are offered countless opportunities to cheat, so I'm not buying that biology (only) dictates their behavior.

Men also have easy opportunities to cheat (reproduce) with hot women via money. Are most men tempted to have sex with a hot escort at some point in their lives? Yes. Will they do it? Most won't.

Humans seem to have other factors affecting their behavior besides biology/primal lust. This is something I think many members on this forum are somewhat blind to. In the real world, people form relationships and are attracted to a combination of features which are immensely more complex than the height of the partner or the size of their boobs.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Instagram has made it possible for basically any woman with minimum average looks to become alpha widowed. It is extremely possible for a 4/10 chubby girl to have had a past fling with multiple tiers above her league and now think she is well above guys in her league or slightly above her. You would be shocked how many of these average girls are still obsessing over these quick relationships they had with NFL player or something.

 

[Solomon]

Men only matters to women 30+ who are looking for a provider
younger women (20s) don't care as long as you're hot
Height is subjective I'm 5'11 1/2 I tell women I'm 6'1 and never been called out on it

 

[PRW63]

Right so let's say you're dating a cute girl. Girl next door, not an Instaho. She's perfect for you, and you have a functional, fulfilling relationship. You both love each other.

Now, your physical preference was always more for big-titty blonde women with round asses and an hourglass shape, you know, like all those swimsuit models and pornstars you grew up beating off to. One of these blonde women "comes into your orbit" and starts giving you clear IOI's.

If you're telling me you'd dump your girlfriend "in a heartbeat" for the blonde titty model, then you're just as much of a piece of sh!t as the small minority of shallow, garbage women who would actually do this.

1. It's ain't about me.
2. The subject is asking if women's unrealistic expectations are real or just imagined by men and don't really exist. I am not a woman.

 

[PRW63]

But according to you, a woman's hypergamy is an automatic, reptilian response that she acts upon immediately, in every instance.

No.
And nobody is saying that it is in every instance.
Even Tomassi who practically defined everything most of us here believe does not say that.
The biology is what it is and it doesn't change. But there are social buffers that used to exist but have been mostly removed by the twisted feminist society we live it which now allows for unrestricted Hypergamy known officially as Open Hypergamy.

Women have ALWAYS wanted to do what they do,...but now they can. In the past they couldn't. There are SOME amount of the buffers still in place but they are evaporating fast.

AGAIN, this ignores the point of the tread. The question of the thread is if the unrealistic expectations of women are real or are they in the imaginations of the men and don't really exist. The answer is THEY DO exist, they are real, they are not imagined in the minds of the men. Whether or not any given woman CAN ACHIEVE those expectations in not assured. Sometimes reality slaps her in the face and she fails. But that does not change the fact that the expectations still exist and are real, that was the question of the thread.

 

[rjc149]

No.
And nobody is saying that it is in every instance.
Even Tomassi who practically defined everything most of us here believe does not say that.
The biology is what it is and it doesn't change. But there are social buffers that used to exist but have been mostly removed by the twisted feminist society we live it which now allows for unrestricted Hypergamy known officially as Open Hypergamy.

Women have ALWAYS wanted to do what they do,...but now they can. In the past they couldn't. There are SOME amount of the buffers still in place but they are evaporating fast.

AGAIN, this ignores the point of the tread. The question of the thread is if the unrealistic expectations of women are real or are they in the imaginations of the men and don't really exist. The answer is THEY DO exist, they are real, they are not imagined in the minds of the men. Whether or not any given woman CAN ACHIEVE those expectations in not assured. Sometimes reality slaps her in the face and she fails. But that does not change the fact that the expectations still exist and are real, that was the question of the thread.

I understand fully what the point of the thread is. My point is that hypergamy is not a uniquely female urge or behavior. It's a HUMAN behavior that men and women both exhibit. Women have expectations in men. Men have expectations in women. These expectations can be unrealistic. Reality slaps women in the face, and she fails to get her alpha bux. Reality slaps men in the face, and they come here to SS to piss and moan about it.

 

[PRW63]

My point is that hypergamy is not a uniquely female urge or behavior

That is an old worn out argument to many of us. I means the person saying it doesn't know what Hypergamy really is and how it is intertwined with the female biology. There is Macro-Hypergamy and Micro-Hypergamy and men don't have menstrual cycles.

This was obviously before Anthony "Dream" Johnson went "wacko" on the Rule Zero guys.

 

[PRW63]

Men have expectations in women. These expectations can be unrealistic. Reality slaps men in the face, and they come here to SS to piss and moan about it.

The guy wanting a hot chick is not Hypergamy