Are we more civilized today than we were 100 years ago?

[Bokanovsky]

In 1913, the Western civilization was at its peak. European colonial powers, together with the U.S., owned or controlled much of the world. Western birth rates were some of the highest in the world, the economies were booming and there was a general sense of optimism about the future in the West. Then came WWI, which was the beginning of the end, but that's a different story.

In 1913, many of the social ideas that are completely mainstream today would have been seen as foolish and bizarre, if not downright filthy and evil. Racial equality, women's "liberation", gay rights...all of those would have been considered crazy ideas in 1913. Most people today think that we are more enlightened and civilized today than were 100 years. But are we really? The Vandal tribes that destroyed Rome no doubt saw themselves as morally superior to the decadent Romans. Yet, today we use the word "vandalism" to describe senseless destruction. European colonists who conquered native Americans viewed them as primitive and uncivilized, but lately, the mainstream narrative has shifted. It is the colonists who are now seen as cruel savages and the natives as noble victims of colonial aggression.

Will our generation be seen as enlightened by our successors? Or will we be condemned as perverts and fools?

 

[Thomson]

In 1913, the Western civilization was at its peak. European colonial powers, together with the U.S., owned or controlled much of the world. Western birth rates were some of the highest in the world, the economies were booming and there was a general sense of optimism about the future in the West. Then came WWI, which was the beginning of the end, but that's a different story.

In 1913, many of the social ideas that are completely mainstream today would have been seen as foolish and bizarre, if not downright filthy and evil. Racial equality, women's "liberation", gay rights...all of those would have been considered crazy ideas in 1913. Most people today think that we are more enlightened and civilized today than were 100 years. But are we really? The Vandal tribes that destroyed Rome no doubt saw themselves as morally superior to the decadent Romans. Yet, today we use the word "vandalism" to describe senseless destruction. European colonists who conquered native Americans viewed them as primitive and uncivilized, but lately, the mainstream narrative has shifted. It is the colonists who are now seen as cruel savages and the natives as noble victims of colonial aggression.

Will our generation be seen as enlightened by our successors? Or will we be condemned as perverts and fools?

Both.

 

[Fatal Jay]

I would say no, for the simple fact people back then had more morals and self respect for themselves, and wouldn't be afraid to out someone if a person profess their homosexuality to the world or anything else immoral. People back then even banned liquor, and I give those people must respect for having the balls to do something like that. That's why Americans prospered back then because they had good morals and good laws that really helped the well being of the people.

This country is in bad shape because we are immoral. It is getting to the point where the masses are acting off of primal instincts now.

 

[Who Dares Win]

When celebrating your own worth and your own nation worth is considered "hate" for others no wonder you are in decline.

To that add that there is no more accountability for ones actions and you have a recipe for disaster.

Im against racism, homophoby and discrimination as much as any use of force to limit one liberty but to tell a population that they should embrace their own ethnical extinction while tolerating social parasytes and low lifes is beyond stupidity...you see stupidity is the previous step while in our cases it goes beyong lack of intelligence till reaching lack of personal value,self esteem and integrity.

Also back then the western world has a masculine and strong society, now its a weak and effeminated one with all the conseguences.

The same sh1t you hear from leftists now like "we're bad look at third worlders how call each other brother they are much better than us" is the same exact sh1t you could find reading roman "intellectuals" right before the barbarian invasions, those same romans which disliked the army, I dont expecr you to believe me just go read yourself.

 

[Thomson]

This is much worst.

 

[( . )( . )]

Natives are considered "victims" because they lost.

Like The Germans and Italians? No, natives are considered "victims" because they've embraced victimhood and had continual reinforcement from the self hating left...and obviously a little encouragement from the unmentionable architects of this current (white European)frenzy of self flagellation

 

[Bokanovsky]

Like The Germans and Italians? No, natives are considered "victims" because they've embraced victimhood and had continual reinforcement from the self hating left...and obviously a little encouragement from the unmentionable architects of this current (white European)frenzy of self flagellation

Good point. I don't see anyone crying tears for the British because they lost the Revolutionary War or the French because Napoleon ultimately got his @ss kicked. There are certain groups of people who relish (and constantly cultivate) their status as victims. That's why slavery is still blamed for the continuing backwardness of the African American community, even though other communities who were previously hated and discriminated against in America (i.e. the Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, Japanese, Greeks, etc.) have long moved on with their lives.

 

[Bible_Belt]

In 1913 there were still public lynchings. And yes, often it was a black man getting strung up, but it is a forgotten fact of history that the KKK lynched plenty of white people, too. They were the face of vigilante justice. Sometimes the mob did actually kill the correct person, who really was guilty of rape or murder.

But the sick part is the way that the society of the time viewed the executions. They were public entertainment. Even worse, they were family entertainment. There is a genre of memorabilia about lynchings, and plenty of photos of families with little kids posed in front of a hanging corpse.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ource=hp&biw=1708&bih=745&q=lynching+postcard

Often they brought a picnic lunch. People used to make scrapbooks about the event, combining photos with even more morbid souvenirs such as locks of the dead man's hair, or a scrap of his clothing. Those scrapbooks often ended up buried in an attic, as social values changed, and the souvenirs became embarrassing.

 

[Fatal Jay]

Good point. I don't see anyone crying tears for the British because they lost the Revolutionary War or the French because Napoleon ultimately got his @ss kicked. There are certain groups of people who relish (and constantly cultivate) their status as victims. That's why slavery is still blamed for the continuing backwardness of the African American community, even though other communities who were previously hated and discriminated against in America (i.e. the Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, Japanese, Greeks, etc.) have long moved on with their lives.

Blacks got done much worst, it too many factors to state but I will state a few. Those other countries you named still have their own language that they retained, blacks purposely was taught to not even read so they won't learn their history so they will not be able to get the confidence to raise and revolt.

The whites purposely separated the black families, by giving the black woman more power over her man, that hasn't been done with the other races you named. Once you destroy the family household everything will crumble. They knew that a woman could never run a household thus is the reason why blacks are leading in single parent homes, this was the design all the way back in slavery times, power and leadership starts from being raised in a father and mother home, with the father leading the home.

I will name one more, every other country after the civil war, was compensated, even immigrants recieved money to come to America to help rebuild America, this was done to keep blacks/slaves from getting compensated, blacks didn't get a single thing. Every country got a head start, while blacks was ten feet behind the start line.

Even when the depression happen, once it was over, whites received money to start over, blacks didn't.

All these things can be proven in history books, so you can't blame backs for going back to slavery when they was never compensated for building America. I would see if we was compensated like the natives or the immigrants, and we was still struggling, but it didn't happen like that.

The thing is though, that God is so good that right now he is judging America for the things they did, not only to blacks but other victims. I won't make this a racial thing, but all the evil that America has done will be avenged by God, what America has reaped will be sowed, everything this country is doing is now failing.

 

[mrRuckus]

People back then even banned liquor, and I give those people must respect for having the balls to do something like that. That's why Americans prospered back then because they had good morals and good laws that really helped the well being of the people.

Their "morality" of banning drugs and alcohol has caused 100 years of violence that could have been avoided by not being stupid. Harrison drug act alone is responsible for thousands of deaths and ruined families.

 

[Fatal Jay]

Their "morality" of banning drugs and alcohol has caused 100 years of violence that could have been avoided by not being stupid. Harrison drug act alone is responsible for thousands of deaths and ruined families.

how many people have been killed by smoking ciggs, and drunk drivers?

 

[The_flying_dutchman]

We are more civilized in the sense that we have modern conveniences....but human beings are still as primal and predatory as ever.

 

[( . )( . )]

The thing is though, that God is so good that right now he is judging America for the things they did, not only to blacks but other victims. I won't make this a racial thing, but all the evil that America has done will be avenged by God, what America has reaped will be sowed.

What's this Gods wrath "will" come sh!t? God has been smiting evil whitey with die-versity and "vibrant" neighbourhoods for years. I'm assuming by "blacks and other victims" that's who your talking about.

 

[JoeMarron]

Good point. I don't see anyone crying tears for the British because they lost the Revolutionary War or the French because Napoleon ultimately got his @ss kicked. There are certain groups of people who relish (and constantly cultivate) their status as victims. That's why slavery is still blamed for the continuing backwardness of the African American community, even though other communities who were previously hated and discriminated against in America (i.e. the Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, Japanese, Greeks, etc.) have long moved on with their lives.

Lolwut? Has most of the British population been wiped out? Were the Irish immigrants, Italians, Poles etc. enslaved for centuries? This isn't relishing a status of victims it's just stating facts. Blacks in america need to take responsibility for their own lives but its pretty obvious that their community didn't get fvcked up on its own. No we aren't civilized and we probably never will be. Nonsense posts like this is proof of that.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Lolwut? Has most of the British population been wiped out? Were the Irish immigrants, Italians, Poles etc. enslaved for centuries? This isn't relishing a status of victims it's just stating facts. Blacks in america need to take responsibility for their own lives but its pretty obvious that their community didn't get fvcked up on its own. No we aren't civilized and we probably never will be. Nonsense posts like this is proof of that.

So how do you explain the fact that blacks in Africa are even worse off than blacks in America? No one sold them into slavery.

Slavery is just an excuse.

 

[JoeMarron]

So how do you explain the fact that blacks in Africa are even worse off than blacks in America? No one sold them into slavery.

Slavery is just an excuse.

Blacks in Africa were fvcked too just like several other regions affected by imperialism. Instead of mindlessly bashing groups of people look at the reasons why they're in that situation and learn from it. Natives, blacks, and others keep whining about being victimized because there are still people like you around. People who use ideas like racial superiority, human biodiversity, etc. to justify treating others like sh!t. Ironically the western world would probably be a whole lot "whiter" if past generations didn't exploit half the planet. One doesn't need to immigrate to the west if they're content where they're at.

 

[user43770]

Lolwut? Has most of the British population been wiped out? Were the Irish immigrants, Italians, Poles etc. enslaved for centuries? This isn't relishing a status of victims it's just stating facts. Blacks in america need to take responsibility for their own lives but its pretty obvious that their community didn't get fvcked up on its own. No we aren't civilized and we probably never will be. Nonsense posts like this is proof of that.

The Jews have been persecuted far worse and for much longer than blacks. They always seem to land on their feet, though.

 

[Jaylan]

Joe dont waste your time on these guys. Its become all too common that anytime race comes up in a thread, that the thread devolves into posters trying to look down on black folks. Either that or they try to minimize what blacks have been through by comparing their history to the downtrodden history of others.

Even in threads that arent specifically about blacks, somehow black people get brought up. The white dudes on this forum really must have a complex since they are always talking about black people so much. They seem to talk about black people more than black folks do themselves. So dont waste your time here Joe.

 

[LiveFreeX]

http://www.ted.com/talks/colin_stokes_how_movies_teach_manhood.html

The problem with these TED Talks is that half the guys that are considered genius' are confered by feminist dingbats. Star Wars is ok for girls now but bad for boys?!?! WTF?

This dudes conclusion: A real man is someone who trusts his sisters and doesn't abuse them. Nudge our sons to identify with those girls and want to be on their teams. A team led by women to help other people become better.
The underlying message? Men should obey and defer to higher authority (women).

I was watching a tv show with my wife who was promptly shocked and disgusted at the same time called Poly-Amory: Married and Dating. Basically a tv show glorifying manginas, feminists and cuckolds. All of those people think they are extremely progressive, smart and educated. My wife however who is smart and educated (in a sales related degree) thinks that all of the women depicted are sick and stupid. All of the people in the program were white, educated and liberal. Its no secret my wife is Chinese. We are not progressing as a race, we are di-gressing. Our western societies are caught up in sexual politics and destabilizing the family unit. We are not building services to care for families we are trying to deconstruct the idea of family altogether. Why is China on the rise while the West sinks into the Abyss?

Family, marriage and relationships to produce children are the number one most important goals of people here. Russia is experiencing a similar population boom whilst resisting the feminist agenda. In the 3rd world societies you still have problems which need to be solved. Women and Men are too busy grabbing at the available resources to worry about sex and political relationships. They are helping others so that they can inturn help themselves. Things are growing, people are getting richer and happier. My wife tells me that China is a completely different place from just 10 years ago. The western societies have finished this period of growth but instead of expanding outward to help others, hunkered down and built impenetrable walls around their societies. Without foreign problems to tackle, our people became fat and bored seeking to solve small internal conflicts. Unfortunately both expand and contract cannot exist, taking biological rights away from one and artificially grafting them on to the other doesn't solve any problems for humans. We are pulled to action because our very nature demands us to be this way. Humans evolved or were given hands to build things. To tie the hands of men is a very dangerous thing... the devil makes work for idle hands.

We can only exist and progress so long as there is a place for us to expand into. There must also be a communal vested interest and stability for us and our children in the economy and the future. If we try to undermine that one simple idea, we create chaos and destruction. Humans need to expand their influence, tackle and solve problems and help others to grow.


http://www.ted.com/talks/amanda_palmer_the_art_of_asking.html

The fact that this woman can aquire 1.1 million dollars from kickstarter pretty much sums up where America is heading. A standing ovation to what pretty much amounts to "Ask for money" and add as much feminist agenda to your message as possible.

but this woman

http://www.ted.com/talks/rose_george_let_s_talk_crap_seriously.html

Who is talking about a serious problem the world could profit from and be working towards gets not much attention at all. Second largest killer of children (the future of our economy) worldwide: Diarrhea and we CAN fix it.

Who cares about that though!!! Lets talk about such pressing issues as Women's rights in the West and Gay marriage.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Blacks in Africa were fvcked too just like several other regions affected by imperialism.

ALL regions of the world were affected by imperialism at one point or another. North America started out as a place of refuge for persecuted religious minorities from Europe. Australia was originally a penal colony. Asia was used as a dumping ground for opium and other drugs (look up Opium Wars). As another posted pointed out, no group of people has been persecuted throughout history as much as the Jews, yet you don't see too many Jews living on food stamps and begging for handouts, do you?

People who make excuses and wallow in self-pity rarely become successful. The same applies to groups of people.