Are these Selena fans like closet lessies?

[BaronOfHair]

Yes, I know about that, I have American friends and we talked pretty much daily about 9/11 and the aftermath.

Reminds me of the following https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/350/can-the-left-get-it-right

Quote -


"Polonsky: I thought the antiwar movement expressed its position with intelligence.

Shellenberger: What I fault the antiwar movement for is that it was never very clear about what it stood for, neither its core values nor its vision for U.S. engagement in the world. The message coming out of the mainstream antiwar groups before the invasion of Iraq was “Let the inspections work.” What kind of vision and values did that elevate?"

And:

"Polonsky: The all-or-nothing debate reminds me of my activist days in the eighties. There was a certain counter-cultural identity within the peace movement. You had a sense of being more bohemian and hip than the mainstream. That identity was pleasant for us, but I don’t think it served our overall objectives"

The Manosphere is similar to "Progressives" of The 2000s in more ways than most realize... Just as the latter deserves credit for not blindly going along with the invasion of Iraq/The War On Terror more generally(At a time when, as Noam Chomsky has noted, The US MSM was Pravda-esque in it's genuflection towards The Bush Regime), the former deserves credit for challenging the "Men Evil, Women Helpless Prey" mantra that was regurgitated without question in most of the mainstream press. Ultimately though, neither was especially effective, in terms of securing concrete and tangible gains

Bush II won a second term, and didn't really experience a faltering in his popularity, until the very end of his Presidency. Everyday Americans just got bored with Iraq, thus support for a War On Terror began to evaporate... Activists and intellectuals had very little influence over any of this. Donald Trump didn't turn out to be The Mahdi so much of The Manosphere anticipated, and MeToo no longer being at the forefront of our cultural Zeitgeist is largely attributable the public's attention moving on to other fixations, rather than a large cross-section of America being persuaded that stereotypes about men are gross oversimplifications. The Manosphere never became anything more than a subculture

 

[BaronOfHair]

There has been very little or no incidence of boys or men going to a female concert. It is usually mostly women and the men they pull along for a date. Meanwhile, boys and men tend to go to male concerts typically. Think about it, why would men want to go watch a female sing unless he was pulled along by his female acquaintances or gay? Even then, gay men would rather go see a man at a concert.

Heterosexual men ARE enjoying the dance numbers set to this particular song

 

[BaronOfHair]

Is it bad that IDGAF?

Also, the censorious, stifling social climate we've been in the midst of from '16-today has given us a world where what's described between 0:00-3:25

Is now the norm. When damn near everyone's been cowed into never saying anything "Problematic" or (On the other end of the sociocultural continuum) "Blue Pill"*, we end with an environment where most artists are confined to rehashing material produced prior to the late 10s


*When the typical Manospherean encounters lyrics from Ms. Gomez such as " I'm 14 carat.. Doing it up like Midas... Now you say I got a touch... So good, so good... Make you never wanna leave", he interprets that "As promoting The Feminine Primary Social Order", not as "A submissive woman boasting of how well she satisfies her lover"

 

[HaleyBaron]

Heterosexual men ARE enjoying the dance numbers set to this particular song

Those men aren't heterosexual.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Those men aren't heterosexual.

Neither is at least one of these

 

[CornbreadFed]

Happy Pride Month

 

[BaronOfHair]

Happy Pride Month

 

[BaronOfHair]

Just another submissive woman wanting to look good for her man

One can't help but be intrigued by the many ways SG's lyrics can be interpreted:

"I'm on my 14 carats
I'm 14 carat
Doing it up like Midas
Now you say I got a touch
So good, so good
Make you never wanna leave
So don't, so don't
Gonna wear that dress you like, skin-tight
Do my hair up real, real nice
And syncopate my skin to your heart beating
'Cause I just wanna look good for you, good for you, oh-oh
I just wanna look good for you, good for you, oh-oh
Let me show you how proud I am to be yours
Leave this dress a mess on the floor
Still look good for you, good for you, oh-oh
I'm on my marquise diamonds
I'm a marquise diamond
I'm a marquise diamond
Could even make that Tiffany jealous
You say I give it to you hard
So bad, so bad
Make you never wanna leave
I won't, I won't
Gonna wear that dress you like, skin-tight
Do my hair up real, real nice
And syncopate my skin to how you're breathing
'Cause I just wanna look good for you, good for you, oh-oh
I just wanna look good for you, good for you, oh-oh
Let me show you how proud I am to be yours
Leave this dress a mess on the floor
Still look good for you, good for you, oh-oh, oh-oh, oh
Oh-oh, oh-oh, oh
Trust me, I can take you there
Trust me, I can take you there"

Parts of that are arguably "submissive". Seems to me though that comparing herself to gold and diamonds, boasting that her touch is so sensual her man will never want to leave, vowing to syncopate herself to her lover's heartbeat, etc are all displays of power. She's letting everyone in earshot know how desirable she is

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Parts of that are arguably "submissive". Seems to me though that comparing herself to gold and diamonds, boasting that her touch is so sensual her man will never want to leave, vowing to syncopate herself to her lover's heartbeat, etc are all displays of power. She's letting everyone in earshot know how desirable she is

She's qualifying like a demon, like a good submissive does to her Dominant.

I prefer Lana, though.

 

[BaronOfHair]

She's qualifying like a demon, like a good submissive does to her Dominant.

I prefer Lana, though.

"Qualifying", or reveling in how desirable and satisfying she is to her man, like a dude grandstanding over what a p-ssy magnet he is and how skillfull he is at bringing every chick he beds to climax. One can interpret this in a few different ways

Yeah... Del Ray is far more of a serious artist than SG is

 

[corrector]

"Qualifying", or reveling in how desirable and satisfying she is to her man, like a dude grandstanding over what a p-ssy magnet he is and how skillfull he is at bringing every chick he beds to climax. One can interpret this in a few different ways

Yeah... Del Ray is far more of a serious artist than SG is

Dal Ray has some wild music videos that I would be breaking my work rules if I played the music video at work. Summertime Sadness has two lesbian lovers comitting suicide. The other one, Chemtrails from Country Club starts off nice and lovely then decends into pure madness and she warewolf territory. But one can argue that Selena is not appropriate for work either. But she is more sensually inappropriate than occultic inappropriate.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Just another submissive woman wanting to look good for her man. I fail to see how her fans are lesbians... This is just an insipid teenybopper song. Viewing that clip as 'softcore porno' shows the mental level of the viewer.

Let's also note that Matt Lauer provides the intro there. It wasn't too long after this that he fell afoul of MeToo

 

[BaronOfHair]

Those men aren't heterosexual.

Stumbling across this

Reminded me of this thread

 

[BaronOfHair]

To be fair, even back in '15, there were folks decrying the song as "problematic" and "insufficiently feminist" https://compassionthemovement.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/selena-gomezs-good-for-you-isnt-all-that-good-for-you/#:~:text=The first issue is that,crutch for your self worth

Selena Gomez – “Good for You” Rant

Part of me can’t even believe that I’m wasting my time writing a blog about Selena Gomez. But every time I hear her track “Good for You,” I feel a certain level of disgust.…

peppermintfrostblog.wordpress.com

Difference between then and today: Almost EVERY mainstream publication reads like those two articles

Alan Carr

Would almost certainly be deemed "Problematic", if he were to give an intervention like that today

 

[BaronOfHair]

Just another submissive woman wanting to look good for her man

Un-PC as what I'm about to write may be in the eyes of some, SG's cultural background likely does have some bearing here...

Among Hispanic women, there's significantly less stigma around women taking pains to look and be sexy for their men, and there's no shame in these gals "showing everyone how proud she is to be his"

 

[BaronOfHair]

This is Selena's concert back in 2015. The music video she made with the music seemed like some sort of soft core porn.

You would have expected it to have been more guys that would have been into a song like that with an actual live concert, but was surprized that it's mainly hot young women attending there and cheering her on like that. How can these many women be excited over a song like that?

Open lesbos

ARE grooving to this particular tune

 

[BaronOfHair]

Any environment where the press is intimidated into carrying a party line isn't healthy

Case in point... That second article linked

Selena Gomez – “Good for You” Rant

Part of me can’t even believe that I’m wasting my time writing a blog about Selena Gomez. But every time I hear her track “Good for You,” I feel a certain level of disgust.…

peppermintfrostblog.wordpress.com

Begins with the sentence:
"How is it possible that in 2015 we have regressed so far regarding feminism? I am by no means a feminist; however, I do have self-respect and I want people to respect me as well"

As recently as '15, the social climate of The US was such that folks(Especially many women)were regularly and declaring, "I'm not a feminist". Today, it's extremely rare to see anyone writing for a mainstream-sorta independent publication NOT announce their allegiance, or at very least fellow travelership, with Feminism/Intersectionality more generally

Hell, it's rare to see anyone in The Manosphere or who's Manosphere adjacent not regularly preface their comments by either declaring themselves Red Pill, or at the very least professing their allyship with said religion

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

As recently as '15, the social climate of The US was such that folks(Especially many women)were regularly and declaring, "I'm not a feminist". Today, it's extremely rare to see anyone writing for a mainstream-sorta independent publication NOT announce their allegiance, or at very least fellow travelership, with Feminism/Intersectionality more generally

I remember from decades ago how a woman who just wanted to be a housewife was lambasted by a group of feminists about wanting to 'sit at home and take care of the kids' was not what they (the feminists) had fought for.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I remember from decades ago how a woman who just wanted to be a housewife was lambasted by a group of feminists about wanting to 'sit at home and take care of the kids' was not what they (the feminists) had fought for.

They're quite similar to the most prominent figures in The Men's Rights Movement, such as this admitted(and 8th rate*) Tom Leykis impersonator and all-around buffoon

Who preaches the virtues of MGTOW, while himself having spent the past 20 years in what's effectively a common law marriage**. While I have my own objections to jargonized Red Pill notions like "maintaining frame"(We used to just say "Lead with your woman. This starts with developing the capacity for self-leadership"), one can only conclude:

If these keyboard warriors and slacktivists are this violently opposed to men pursuing women and rich lives of their own(All the things most MRAs themselves have, in other words), they probably aren't propents of human freedom, so much as they are another activist clique who are hellbent on taking over society


*Leykis, for all his flaws, was a hell of a lot more fun than Elam ever was. To describe the latter's woefully shallow ramblings as "depressing" would be entirely too generous. Loudly and often as he and his ilk doth screech: "We're nothing like feminists!!!", one can't help but notice the many similarities(Physical and psychological) between himself and Andrea Dworkin

**On those rare occasions in which PE is called out on his hypocrisy, he trots out a characteristically pathetic equivocation: "I'm not married, not FORMALLY!!!" He just took a few puffs off that crack pipe, apparently.... But he DID NOT inhale!!!

 

[corrector]

Case in point... That second article linked

Selena Gomez – “Good for You” Rant

Part of me can’t even believe that I’m wasting my time writing a blog about Selena Gomez. But every time I hear her track “Good for You,” I feel a certain level of disgust.…

peppermintfrostblog.wordpress.com

Begins with the sentence:
"How is it possible that in 2015 we have regressed so far regarding feminism? I am by no means a feminist; however, I do have self-respect and I want people to respect me as well"

As recently as '15, the social climate of The US was such that folks(Especially many women)were regularly and declaring, "I'm not a feminist". Today, it's extremely rare to see anyone writing for a mainstream-sorta independent publication NOT announce their allegiance, or at very least fellow travelership, with Feminism/Intersectionality more generally

Hell, it's rare to see anyone in The Manosphere or who's Manosphere adjacent not regularly preface their comments by either declaring themselves Red Pill, or at the very least professing their allyship with said religion

I looked at the article. It looks like someone got triggered by that video. Was a jokey read actually because it sounds like the author is jealosu of her because she is so hot.