Are most guys just bad in bed

[sangheilios]

You bring up an interesting point. Sex toys in the bedroom have been portrayed as some form of advanced sex, etc but I feel that it's masking what in essence is poor sex and is an affront to the man....I mean, I couldn't bring a fleshlight or a sex doll and feel proud and advanced about it...why are vibrators and dildos treated differently?

I think it's because if a man has to resort to sex toys it shows that he is incapable of finding a woman to have sex with, meaning he is a failure, reject, etc. However, if a woman is using sex toys it shows that she just hasn't been able to find a man who can please her or satisfy her sexual needs.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

A woman may definitely have sex with a man with a "dad bod" but they don't have the same primal sexual response to that compared to a guy that looks like a Greek god. Most men don't really understand this because they've never experienced it for themselves. Women definitely have a range for what body type they seem to prefer but the trend is that they like athletically built men, as it's a sign that these men are strong, fit and have good genetics. This again points to what I've been discussing on this thread. Imagine some hot latina with a big ass landed some 6'4" chad that looks like Jason Momoa. Let's say they are making out and then he takes his shirt off, she gets excited seeing his muslces even more. Than he takes off his pants and whips out some 8" ****, it's basically game over. Now, if he were to be sporting a belly it wouldn't create the same response. If he were to also whip out some small penis it also wouldn't help.

A dad bod isn't an obese guy lol. A "dad" bod is basically a guy that used to be fit(played some sport in HS) and still has the frame or a guy that lifts, but neglects cardio and measuring calories lol. Either way, I'd rather be the jacked guy with abs than a buff guy with a dad bod lol. I've found much more success being lower body fat lol.

 

[sangheilios]

A dad bod isn't an obese guy lol. A "dad" bod is basically a guy that used to be fit and still has the frame or a guy that lifts, but neglects cardio and measuring calories lol. Either way, I'd rather be the jacked guy with abs than a buff guy with a dad bod lol. I've found much more success being lower body fat lol.

We are getting lost in details, I was referring to an out of shape man sporting a belly, basically your average adult American man that you see just about anywhere you go. I've also never heard of a dad bod being a guy that used to be in shape, I always believed it meant a typical body you'd see on a man in his 30s or 40s.

 

[pipeman84]

I think it's because if a man has to resort to sex toys it shows that he is incapable of finding a woman to have sex with, meaning he is a failure, reject, etc. However, if a woman is using sex toys it shows that she just hasn't been able to find a man who can please her or satisfy her sexual needs.

I meant a couple using sex toys...I would see it as an affront for my woman to want to use dildos/vibrators while she's having sex with me. Just like I feel I would insult her if I brought a fleshlight or a sex doll to 'spice up' things.

 

[sangheilios]

This thread is getting interesting but we can even compare it to ourselves.

A lot of guys really lust after baddies like you see on instagram. Let's say you landed one that was also into you as well and then you are alone. If she refused to give a bj or sucked at them, no pun intended, would that cost her points? If she just star fished would that cost her points or would her just spreading her legs or being bent over be enough?

Let's say you have a woman that you aren't really that attracted to but she is literally down for anything and will do anything to please you, does that change your degree of attraction towards her?

I believe that if looks and general attraction were equal, we'd choose the latter option. I believe that a man is more likely to land the latter option with a woman who has an attraction level towards him that is at least equal to his attraction towards her, ideally it would be higher. The higher her attraction the less inhibited she is and the more submissive she will be. She might not suck Johnny Average Joe off but Chad Thunderclap Cheeks she asks for permission to do so.

 

[sangheilios]

I meant a couple using sex toys...I would see it as an affront for my woman to want to use dildos/vibrators while she's having sex with me. Just like I feel I would insult her if I brought a fleshlight or a sex doll to 'spice up' things.

My initial thought would be that if you needed to whip out a fleshlight it would mean her ***** isn't good enough. Basically anything that makes women question if they aren't good enough is a problem, though that doesn't apply the other way around.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

We are getting lost in details, I was referring to an out of shape man sporting a belly, basically your average adult American man that you see just about anywhere you go. I've also never heard of a dad bod being a guy that used to be in shape, I always believed it meant a typical body you'd see on a man in his 30s or 40s.

Nah, they just don't like fat man lol. Picture this...without puking lol

Brad- 5ft 11 or taller
Played Football or Hockey in HS
Picked up weightlifting, did it while in college/played intramurals
Partied a lot in college/participated in Taco Tuesday/BS
After college, still goes to the gym but not as much. Drinks beers after work, never turns down wing night, Vegas Bro trips, and etc.
Essentially a strong guy with a higher-than-normal body fat percentage.

In comparison, think of a dad bod to a slightly thicc curvy girl that men like. She's not fat, but she's not too far from crossing fat territory if she starts neglecting everything.

 

[sangheilios]

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Nah, they just don't like fat man lol. Picture this...without puking lol

Brad- 5ft 11 or taller
Played Football or Hockey in HS
Picked up weightlifting, did it while in college/played intramurals
Partied a lot in college/participated in Taco Tuesday/BS
After college, still goes to the gym but not as much. Drinks beers after work, never turns down wing night, Vegas Bro trips, and etc.
Essentially a strong guy with a higher-than-normal body fat percentage.

In comparison, think of a dad bod to a slightly thicc curvy girl that men like. She's not fat, but she's not too far from crossing fat territory if she starts neglecting everything.

I can totally see that, but I always believed it just meant an average body for guy that's in his 30s or 40s that you'd see just about anywhere.

 

[T_Rex]

Nah, they just don't like fat man lol. Picture this...without puking lol

Brad- 5ft 11 or taller
Played Football or Hockey in HS
Picked up weightlifting, did it while in college/played intramurals
Partied a lot in college/participated in Taco Tuesday/BS
After college, still goes to the gym but not as much. Drinks beers after work, never turns down wing night, Vegas Bro trips, and etc.
Essentially a strong guy with a higher-than-normal body fat percentage.

In comparison, think of a dad bod to a slightly thicc curvy girl that men like. She's not fat, but she's not too far from crossing fat territory if she starts neglecting everything.

Not true. Read the Way of Men by Jack Donovan.
Men structure the society, women merely pick who's at the top of those structures.
I've seen (and I bet a lot of you guys also have) very old dudes who won't be able to have 5 minutes of hard ****, with round bellies and ugly as f*ck with the most stunning babes you could dream of. They were not on top of the "physique hierarchy" but they were on top of their professions, and had markers of social status.
I've also seen wealthy women pay for everything this guy asked of them because the guy was ripped but had not a single dollar on his name. Not on top of his profession, no mark of social status... But on the top of the physique hierarchy.

If you excel in a field, whatever field it is, you'll have a woman. Unless you're socially crippled (even then in some cases).

 

[T_Rex]

I'll let him reply, but MOST people who say this sort of thing are talking about stuff that literally 13 year old boys know about (for example I was on reddit a while back and some old dude was talking about how amazing he is in bed because of the secrets he knows etc, and it turned out he was talking about how girls have cIits and like having them licked and rubbed etc lol. Literally stuff kids know about!

There's simply not a whole lot of variance that is even possible in terms of actual penetration. It's not like we can make our ****s do sommersaults inside of her or something. Every guy tends to think he's amazing in bed. It's just one of those things. Same as most guys think they can fight.

Funnily enough, you did just that. Yes, we can't move our d*cks like elephants do, but I've literally had a woman "friend" complain to me about the performance of her sexual partner because he thought sex was just putting it in and out.

There's not a lot of variance, but human genitalia is among the most sensitive parts of our bodies. Do you know how you feel there's something huge inside your mouth (like a piece of food between the teeth or one of those small mouth ulcers. You perverts!) but when you look at it, it's just the tiniest thing? The smallest change in movement with consistency will change significantly the way both you and her feel. Hindus wrote Kama Sutra literally thousands of years ago. A DJ MUST know this sort of stuff.

Like Pook used to say, women love to talk about sex (and most of what girls talk away from men is about sex). Just the other day I was listening to a girly podcast and a girl was talking about how her man made her cvm just touching her breasts. The two other girls were in shock! Touchy-feely as women are, if you make her cvm she will literally get addicted. If you make her cvm in an unusual way... You're in her mind forever!

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Not true. Read the Way of Men by Jack Donovan.
Men structure the society, women merely pick who's at the top of those structures.
I've seen (and I bet a lot of you guys also have) very old dudes who won't be able to have 5 minutes of hard ****, with round bellies and ugly as f*ck with the most stunning babes you could dream of. They were not on top of the "physique hierarchy" but they were on top of their professions, and had markers of social status.
I've also seen wealthy women pay for everything this guy asked of them because the guy was ripped but had not a single dollar on his name. Not on top of his profession, no mark of social status... But on the top of the physique hierarchy.

Why is this an argument lol. Obviously the old guy used his status or money clout to real the girls in. In addition, I even said that ripped guys are more valuable than buff/dad bod dudes lol. I was just explaining to @sangheilios that dad bods aren’t just fat obese men with beer fetishes lol.

Regardless, I’d rather be the jacked 6ft guy that makes a girl wet on contact and she happily & aggressively hops on my erect pole for a ride rather than some old fat guy that has to use money to get laid or the dad bod bro that gets mixed interest sex.

 

[T_Rex]

A women's frame is about her emotions and if/when a man has the capability of stirring a woman's emotions properly during sex, she will consider him a great lover.

I mean they have some value, not many women will be happy with a 4-inch c0ck, but again sex for many if not most women is about her emotions.

A woman can become sexually obsessed with you if you're skilled at stirring her emotions.

Create a connection, look at her, talk to her during sex, tell her how sexy, beautiful and feminine she is (and mean it), hold her down and tell her you "own her"!

As @Pan87 always said, a woman's sexual experience is different from a man's, it's emotional.

On top of that, there's something evolutionary/sex researchers found out (I'm not digging up sources rn but I bet you guys can find it): women (and men too) cvm more often/easily when we're looking at each other's eyes. There's a lot of things happening. When a woman says she loves the way her man looks at her and that they I put a lot of value into eye contact, believe them. Eye contact is one of the most powerful things on the brain. Test asking her to look you dead in the eye when you're pounding her and say she's yours...

The eyes are very important for humans. In a lot of aspects. Have you guys ever noticed we're the only primates with white in our eyes? And the most prevalent eye color is brown. So now you have a white eye ball looking around with it's dark core pointing to the group where it's looking at. This is very important to a social species like ourselves.

Our pupils also dilate when we see something we're interested on (a mate too!) and although not at all times consciously we notice this dilation on other people's eyes. For some reason I still haven't found, both men and women also like seeing each other dressed in bright red. Seeing an attractive person dressed in red light up violently the same spot in the brain activated by cocaine. More pupil dilation. More feelings.

Don't get bothered if a talk a lot about human nature as if we were just another animals in a zoo; this is sex we're talking about. Sex is one of the most primal things we do (if not the most). Again, as Pook would say, we must embrace this animal part in us to be DJs. We must put it to our use, but never tame it. Women relish when you unleash the human animal on top of them. And what's more instinctive and animal than feelings? So yes, understanding this primal aspect in you will make you a better lover and DJ.

 

[T_Rex]

Why is this an argument lol. Obviously the old guy used his status or money clout to real the girls in. In addition, I even said that ripped guys are more valuable than buff/dad bod dudes lol. I was just explaining to @sangheilios that dad bods aren’t just fat obese men with beer fetishes lol.

Again, not true. This is kind of going over your head.

The old guy most of the time doesn't have to do anything. Most of these old guys are married to old ladies and have children older than the babe. He's not "using" anything. Women go after it. Women go after anyone with dominance in any structure.

And mind you I'm not just talking to you, this is a forum. It's not like we're arguing, we're bouncing ideas off each other (at least this is the way I see it). Other people will read this and this is a very common argument. "Oh women prefer a ripped guy over a dad bod" Not really. It depends. It's like they have a complex HB pointing system where they gauge multiple factors lmao in the exact same situation, with the only thing differing being their physique, yes. But men vary a lot. One will have a better smile, the other will have a nicer d*ck, one will have a better house, the other will smell better...

Not to mention most women are lonely and bored. If you put just a bit of fun into her daily life she'll love you dearly lol

 

[TimothyPrice]

I was doing pelvic bridges with big weight…bar clanging, perceived as a chick exercise, hurts the scapula..I didn’t like it. I switched to good mornings, weighted box steps and single leg hip thrusts with a plate or kettle bell.

 

[Jor-El]

are any of Pan's topics archived?

He might be back under a new name................

 

[TimothyPrice]

I think this is how sex starts and fizzles down as the relationship progresses. The sex is hot for the girl because the guy is New and is her type, so as long as the guy isn't a complete dud in Bed, she will like the sex. However, the newness of the guy begins to fade and the sex starts to become more of a chore to her. Eventually, this guy is over here telling guys never to get married/date because the sex will die down. Nah man, you just were lazy in bed.

I don’t think the issue is lazy in bed…it’s failure to game outside of the bedroom.

 

[Murk]

Got guys making it their mission to eat pvssy on the first time and give girls orgasms. Disgusting.

I'm sorry but that just ain't me. I will put effort in with certain women, LTRs and absolute stunners I want to imprint on.

I'm not eating any pvssy that ain't LTR, I'm not jumping through hoops. I'll leave that to you guys. I'm always commended on my sex and equipment because I'm thick, long and a good communicator/kinky. I'm also not reading 6 pages of nonsense.

 

[TimothyPrice]

Got guys making it their mission to eat pvssy on the first time and give girls orgasms. Disgusting.

I'm sorry but that just ain't me. I will put effort in with certain women, LTRs and absolute stunners I want to imprint on.

I'm not eating any pvssy that ain't LTR, I'm not jumping through hoops. I'll leave that to you guys. I'm always commended on my sex and equipment because I'm a good communicator and kinky. I'm also not reading 6 pages of nonsense.

I eat ***** when I’m really feeling it but it can be a submissive move and I don’t like to make a habit of it even with LTR. Honestly, there’s nothing you can do with your mouth that you can’t do with your fingers if you put in the effort. I’ve had girls knocked out with how I can make them *** with fingers.

 

[Murk]

I eat ***** when I’m really feeling it but it can be a submissive move and I don’t like to make a habit of it even with LTR. Honestly, there’s nothing you can do with your mouth that you can’t do with your fingers if you put in the effort. I’ve had girls knocked out with how I can make them *** with fingers.

100 bro. Don't let any of them tell you otherwise. You can please a women just fine woman submitting like that. It's a once in a while thing, a treat, for the LTR/wife.

Guys eating vag on first dates with girls that been run through and seen multiple d!cks and semen in that same week! Prostrating themselves in the name of pleasing a woman.

 

[sangheilios]

I was doing pelvic bridges with big weight…bar clanging, perceived as a chick exercise, hurts the scapula..I didn’t like it. I switched to good mornings, weighted box steps and single leg hip thrusts with a plate or kettle bell.

I do hip thrusts with 500+ pounds and also do them with band tension, best glute exercise there is. Well developed glute muscles are also very often women's favorite body part on a fit and athletic man, just a little fyi.