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Are computer guys considered low sexual market value?

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Having worked in a number of places with an IT department, I think most "computer guys" tend to fit a certain stereotype, and that stereotype is not necessarily attractive to women. Ugly or unkempt, badly dressed, socially or conversationally awkward, often unexciting and very computer-centric life, nerdy hobbies and interests, etc. Not that all computer guys are like that, but it's not too far off, and it's what the average person thinks when they think of a "computer guy".

That picture is hilarious by the way. I think if you're concerned about being pegged as a typical computer nerd, you should have some interesting, non-computer related and frankly un-nerdy interests and hobbies going on in your life.
 

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ok I don't know why all my posts are double-posting but it's pissing me off....
 

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"Most computer guys" is a stereotype that barely exists in the real world.
 

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MatureDJ said:
I am a computer guy myself, and women have told me that I'm not like most computer guys (meant as a complement?)
It really depends on the rest of your personality. It's just the stereotype that goes with being a computer guy.

I know three computer guys: one drives a motorcycle, one is in a rock band, and one is the typical nerd you would expect.

So... meh
 

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MatureDJ said:
Perhaps this is anecdotal to this woman, or her ethnic group.

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I am a computer guy myself, and women have told me that I'm not like most computer guys (meant as a complement?)
Haha this is a good one. I'm in IT, ive done desktop support, Server support, Trading support. Dude its all about how YOU look and carry yourself. What is a computer guy anyway? There are many things related to IT/Computers.

Which reminds me of awesome times when i get the task "In2thegame, theres a women in her office thats saying her computer is dead." I go up to see a HOT! executive female. and the problem is that she forgot to plug in the power. Ahhh, These so called "smart" people are pretty dumb.
 

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I have been in the industry for over 10 years now, and the answer is YES. I manage development in various companies and get to interview a ton of IT people and work with them. In 99% of the cases they fit the 'tech geek' mold - as described in the above post:

- unkempt
- sometimes smell bad
- no confidence whatsoever
- hard to understand (mumble or weird voice)

Basically an AFC on steroids (contradictory, I know ;) )

I have only had 1 programmer that was 'hip' and that's it. All the rest were worse than AFC's, especially when you hear about their personal lives - some stories worse than everything I run into on this board.

Here is why - staring at a computer screen all day makes you unsocial and unless you actively do something to beef up your social life, you end up getting sucked into the matrix. It's a vicious cycle that feeds on itself - the more you code, the more you get stuck in the loop.

If you are a computer guy (and so am I) make sure that you don't fit the stereotype, and find hobbies / activities that involve other people.
 
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In other words Mature, to answer your question from the topic title, women don't like men who answer to the sets of unattractive qualities outlined by the other posters above.

I.e. smelly, unkempt, bad dressing, socially inept men with no life outside computers. Or simply just men who can't talk about anything else but computer stuff. Or any other singular interest for that matter. Said unattractive characteristics spell out one commonality: not taking care of yourself and no life. This can easily be transplanted onto any other man with any other job. Any technician for example, whose life exists only between his machines. Or a bookkeeper, to name something else.

Since a lot of "computer guys" answer to a lot of these "bad" traits , the label "computer guys" has taken flight as a stereotype. Also because people tend to generalize, by the way.

When women say they don't like "computer guys", or "IT nerds", they really mean to say is that they don't like people who are like the stereotype. Simply because they have nothing in common with them and there's nothing that interests them. Hence, they're not attractive.

And let's not forget: there are women too who answer to the stereotype. Nerdy computer girls who appear more like men than women. Who let their hair grow too long and straight, so it starts to look more like straw than hair. Who hide their unfashionable glasses and their face behind that long hair as well. Girls who don't take care of their posture or body (too fat too often). Who wash infrequently and wear un-feminine clothes. Would a guy be attracted to her? Yeah, another computer guy who's like her maybe.

There are however plenty of IT nerds out there who are otherwise well-groomed, who dress nicely, smell clean, and who are generally very sociable and interesting people. Mostly because they keep their computer nerd-speak to themselves and colleagues (it's just work to them) and have other things in their life to talk about too.

I'm a bit of a computer guy myself, but with women I talk about life, passions, people, feelings, relationships, dreams etcetera. Not about my latest endorfin high when I got a complicated configuration up and running after hours of cussing at the screen and nearly wanting to throw the damn lot out the window. (Well, not unless said woman loves to talk about such things of course.) I also like to keep myself slim, eat well, love gourmet food, and love good clothes that emphasize my personality. In other words: to women I'm an exiting, interesting, attractive man (shameless plug :p).

So don't sweat (pun intended) as long as you're an IT guy but not an "IT guy". You'll do alright with women. And since women tell you that "you're not like most computer guys", that probably means that you're an interesting and exiting man. Someone they are able to level with. So hell yeah, I'd say that's a compliment. I'd so, go out there and "educate" other women that computer guys can be real men too. :D
 

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I don't know if it's necessarily the "computer guy", I think it's just yuppies in general. Yuppies are more likely to have lost their masculinity. Ever seen Fight Club? I believe that the idea is real. I don't condone a bunch of guys kicking each others ass on a weekly basis to claim back their masculinity though.

And alot of it has to do with the fact that women can work the same yuppie jobs as men with the same effectiveness. Not necessarily leadership positions, but nonetheless there are lots more non-leadership yuppie office jobs out than there are leadership ones. Maybe that contributes to the de-nutting of America too. I don't blame it all on feminism. Every man decides for himself if he is going to be manly or pussified.
 

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I'm a "computer guy" with the qualifications to show for it (although these days I'm more into management than tech). Women are often very surprised when they learn about it. They tend to guess that I work in some creative artsy field because of my hobbies - while my field in IT is the complete opposite. Work is just work to me anyway and although I enjoy what I do, I'm not into the nerdy side of it much - no comics, scifi TV shows or the likes - and find it easier to talk to other people than fellow "computer guys". Most of those guys are like what djzulu described.

Some jobs are of instant high attraction value but IT is unfortunately on the wrong end of that. When asked, I often describe my job in a "Who am I?" mini-riddle. People love that stuff. :)
 

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speed dawg said:
And alot of it has to do with the fact that women can work the same yuppie jobs as men with the same effectiveness. Not necessarily leadership positions, but nonetheless there are lots more non-leadership yuppie office jobs out than there are leadership ones. Maybe that contributes to the de-nutting of America too. I don't blame it all on feminism. Every man decides for himself if he is going to be manly or pussified.
Men, do not be surprised if women do not gape at you in awe and admiration when you reveal that you are in a job that a woman can do equally well.
 

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jophil28 said:
Men, do not be surprised if women do not gape at you in awe and admiration when you reveal that you are in a job that a woman can do equally well.
I disagree.

There's hardly any woman in IT yet they don't wet their panties when a guy says he works in IT. Few girls go for tradies.

However, they go wet when guys say they are music DJs, play in a band, photographers, promoters, production designer at movie studios etc. - the jobs that women can do equally well.
 

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jophil28 said:
Men, do not be surprised if women do not gape at you in awe and admiration when you reveal that you are in a job that a woman can do equally well.
Well define "do as well" I guess. In my office we're essentially 100% male except a few managers and some female engineers that, sorry to say, suck at engineering. When I talk about my career I always get awe and admiration.

I make an assload of cash at this gig though.
 

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I met several computer guys who fit the category:
-poorly groom
-smell bad
-act awakward.

I don't fit the stereotype of the weird computer guys. I dress very well, and well groom or weird.
 

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bigjohnson said:
Well define "do as well" I guess. In my office we're essentially 100% male except a few managers and some female engineers that, sorry to say, suck at engineering. When I talk about my career I always get awe and admiration.

I make an assload of cash at this gig though.
Yes, indeed, Engineers, as distinct from IT workers, enjoy higher social appreciation and rightly so.. And I agree with your comment about women in eng..

Back to the point ...Women seem to have a need to "look up "to the man in her life.
One of the cornerstones of being and attractive to women is having a career which is regarded as having power, status and a high level of skill.. It is a rare woman who admires a man who is less skilled, less powerful or who has less career status than she.
 
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jophil28 said:
Men, do not be surprised if women do not gape at you in awe and admiration when you reveal that you are in a job that a woman can do equally well.


Women suck at logic. Programming and engineering is nothing but logic, especially programming since it's broken down to the smallest level.

I work on a naval air station that is a research and development center. The women who know what they are talking about are few and far between. And then those women are still just average.

It'll be perceived that they're just as good, but they're simply not as a group. Of course there's a rare really good one, but that's all professions.

It's been known for how long now that women are not predisposed to math?

Now if by "computer guy" you mean any ol' chump that scans for spyware and puts computers together yeah, I did that when i was 12. But "computer guy" is a pretty huge category. That's like putting a lead designer at Honda for non-gasoline cars on the same level as station #4 operator on the assembly line and saying they're both "car guys."


Yes, indeed, Engineers, as distinct from IT workers, enjoy higher social appreciation and rightly so.. And I agree with your comment about women women in eng..

Back to the point ...Women seem to have a need to "look up "to the man in her life.
One of the cornerstones of being and attractive to women is having a career which is regarded as having power, status and a high level of skill.. It is a rare woman who admires a man who is less skilled, less powerful or who has less career status than she.
What do you mean by rightly so? It's like 70% engineers and 30% software guys here. The software guys are paid more. Engineering is a high level of skill in comparison? The engineers tend to be less intelligent overall. I have a pretty good sample size since EVERYONE who works on this base is an engineer, a "computer scientist," or someone who supports those people. The engineers do tend to be more "normal" people.

I guess I'll get back to putting those buggy backdoors into F/A-18 software now.


I'm just wondering. In the end I don't give a sh1t since I don't fit the mold of geek anyway. Girls have no idea what field I'm in until I tell them.
 

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djzulu said:
Here is why - staring at a computer screen all day makes you unsocial and unless you actively do something to beef up your social life, you end up getting sucked into the matrix. It's a vicious cycle that feeds on itself - the more you code, the more you get stuck in the loop.

It MAKES YOU?

No, those people are just predisposed to choosing the career because they're unsocial to begin with.

I don't know what you are talking about with "unclean." That's just crazy.

I know exactly what you're talking about because there are some recluses, but you're greatly exaggerating it. I know plenty with girlfriends, wives and have just fine active lives.
 

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you are the one hb7 will turn to after she has run through half the New York white pages and decided, she's "had her fun" and wants to settle down with a guy who appreciates her just the way she is now (fatter). :)
 

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Luthor Rex said:
It really depends on the rest of your personality. It's just the stereotype that goes with being a computer guy.

I know three computer guys: one drives a motorcycle, one is in a rock band, and one is the typical nerd you would expect.

So... meh
I agree. I'm an engineer. I work with computer software. I don't write it though..hehe. It's all in how you define/frame yourself.
 
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