Anyone here from Russia?

[corrector]

Just wanted to make clear you are advocating civilians to just surrender to an occupying army from an invading country.

At least the invading country doesn't view them as sub-human.

 

[PRW63]

Legitimate democracies very rarely invade each other.

Who said there were any legitimate democracies over there?...or anywhere for that matter. It is all Socialist Regimes over there.

 

[PRW63]

At least the invading country doesn't view them as sub-human.

Nearly 45%-50% of the population of Ukraine is Russian,...they consider themselves Russian,...and they speak Russian,...not Ukrainian. So, no they are not viewed as sub human,...that is just propaganda.

 

[PRW63]

Just wanted to make clear you are advocating civilians to just surrender to an occupying army from an invading country.

Back to what SamSpade said to you when he said, "Your inferences are your own. You have a habit of inferring and starting straw man arguments with people who are having a civil discussion. Otherwise this thread is going really well. "

Your inferences are your own. You have a habit of inferring and starting straw man arguments with people who are having a civil discussion. Otherwise this thread is going really well.

 

[corrector]

Nearly 45%-50% of the population of Ukraine is Russian,...they consider themselves Russian,...and they speak Russian,...not Ukrainian. So, no they are not viewed as sub human,...that is just propaganda.

That was intended a historical reference to how they were treated under the Nazis when Germany invaded them in the past. The Nazi Germans viewed them as sub-human.

 

[PRW63]

That was intended a historical reference to how they were treated under the Nazis when Germany invaded them in the past. The Nazi Germans viewed them as sub-human.

Ah!
I see.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It is not a strawman. These are apologist statements:

They are already oppressed and occupied by their own government.

They are going to be oppressed and occupied no matter which way they go. Pick one.

All Putin is going to do is push out the existing corrupt government and replace it with a different corrupt government that is just less pro-NATO and less anti-Russian.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Exactly. When you are a man of conviction then you do not worry about dying. You stand up for what is right.

Yeah but I need the gov to support me cause if I do it by myself I get arrested and my bank frozen (honk honk).

Cant you see how ridicolous is it?

"You cant do that cause its deadly" becomes "you can take your risks if you support something we like."

 

[PRW63]

Ah!
I see.

Are you referring to Europe?

former Soviet areas,...and, yea, I'm being a little sarcastic and hyperbolic

 

[PRW63]

Russia began in the Ukraine. Perhaps Ukraine should reclaim Russia.

It's ain't over. Maybe they will

 

[Zimbabwe]

Perhaps installing some sort of puppet government is the aim of Russia's peace talks with the Ukraine. I doubt that Ukraine will agree to that, however. Ukraine probably wanted to join NATO, but I'm not sure NATO would have allowed that since they knew that would provoke Putin.

I hope that the way the whole world has stood against this aggression will deter China from attacking Taiwan. They may have at least some interest in looking like the good guys.

I hope china does attack taiwan so we can finally stop buying chinese junk. The world would be a better place.

 

[zekko]

Apparently I have to make a statement that I am not in favor of Russia attacking the Ukraine.
We were just discussing Putin's motives.

I admire the bravery of the Ukrainians fighting for their country, and also for the Russians who were protesting the war. Who knows what price they might pay for that?

I hope china does attack taiwan so we can finally stop buying chinese junk. The world would be a better place.

In the long run maybe. In the meantime, great more inflation.

 

[Stuffnu]

Once we get rid of the scourge that governs Russian, China, Iran, N. Korea, and the like, the world and there populations may finally be able to live in peace and comfort!

 

[EyeBRollin]

Once we get rid of the scourge that governs Russian, China, Iran, N. Korea, and the like, the world and there populations may finally be able to live in peace and comfort!

Probably not likely. It is a defect in our species. Humans are apex predators. A new despot will emerge somewhere.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Once we get rid of the scourge that governs Russian, China, Iran, N. Korea, and the like, the world and there populations may finally be able to live in peace and comfort!

The last thing we need is a single block that has no rival or alternatives...thats when you can say freedom goodbuy.

Let me tell you something, when there was the cold was many countries in western europe that had strong leftist parties were much more fair and just for the simple fact that western elites were afraid that pissed off citizens would consider the alternative.

After the wall collapsed in the early 90s, those countries no longer had such bonus.

Just consider taxation and welfare in italy and france.

 

[Zimbabwe]

In the long run maybe. In the meantime, great more inflation.

The current market is long overdue for a reset, short term it will be bad but long term we genuinely need it.

Once we get rid of the scourge that governs Russian, China, Iran, N. Korea, and the like, the world and there populations may finally be able to live in peace and comfort!

Add America and saudi Arabia to that List and the world will truly become a better place, at least for the short term.

Let the EU lead the world instead.

 

[Stuffnu]

The last thing we need is a single block that has no rival or alternatives...thats when you can say freedom goodbuy.

Let me tell you something, when there was the cold was many countries in western europe that had strong leftist parties were much more fair and just for the simple fact that western elites were afraid that pissed off citizens would consider the alternative.

After the wall collapsed in the early 90s, those countries no longer had such bonus.

Just consider taxation and welfare in italy and france.

And I agree with this.
But there’s a big difference when leftist or rightist democracies vote in there leadership than the leadership deciding on what political spectrum you belong to and usually under force..

Probably not likely. It is a defect in our species. Humans are apex predators. A new despot will emerge somewhere.

Yes, as it has been said before, it’s in our nature to destroy ourselves.

.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Let the EU lead the world instead.

LOL I'm european and our "leaders" are absolutely incapable of being violent...as much as they are incapable of anything at all be it productive or not.

Think of the kid sitting in the forth row in the middle of the class that doesnt make noises unlike the ones sitting at the bottom but doesnt pay attention nor follows the teacher as those in the first row.

 

[Von]

Putin is doing what he Saïd in 2008... Ukraine will never join the EU or Nato cause it would be a stratégic mistake.

Result: he's breaking the country Appart baséd on ethnic Lines (taking over the Russian West).

In crimea, Russia had a militant basé theRe + Russian.

I found a University of Chicago 2015 conférence on the Ukrainian Civil war and its deadly accurate:

 

[Zimbabwe]

LOL I'm european and our "leaders" are absolutely incapable of being violent...as much as they are incapable of anything at all be it productive or not.

Think of the kid sitting in the forth row in the middle of the class that doesnt make noises unlike the ones sitting at the bottom but doesnt pay attention nor follows the teacher as those in the first row.

A European led world is better then American,Chinese and Russian. The EU maybe a cuckold wasteland but at least they actually stand up to most corporations and value privacy more then others.