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Falcon said:
I think everyone agrees here that the law has perverted marriage. What I don't understand is the trend on this site to continually bash marriage. None of this is marriage's fault! The law has perverted marriage yet we blame marriage. Why? We should be attacking the laws and state that has perverted it and turned it against humanity. Granted, it is a much tougher task, but that is apparent in all things in life worth fighting for. What good is it to take the easy way out and just turn our back on marriage? That's feminism's goal, the destruction of marriage! I hope we are better than that.

I'm not sure what else to say other then - once we destroy marriage we will still face the problem that has perverted it, what will we do then?

On a side note...
One of the biggest weaknesses in this site is that it does not allow talk about politics. The irony is -so many issues (like marriage etc) are heavily influenced by politics (and religion, which is also banned). So by not allowing the discussions of that type on this site, it is effectively stopping us from progressing to the more complex levels of some issues.

Indeed it is, I don’t understand either.

the problem and the solution are the same, it wont get better until it gets worse.

I have already stated marriage benefits women more then men, this is a biased agenda, but is about due to many reasons, one is fundamentally profit and the lesbian agenda to 'empower' women and 'de-throne men'.

Remember in the past men used to go out to work and bring in the money, the economy was rather stable, then war came and women wanted more and more to have what men have i.e work, but still be provided for, then a generation later, it hit 'hard' young girls where 'liberated' 'free love' e.t.c now these same girls are accumulating 'cats' and not men, because what they found was the 'elite' profit makers in society saw an opportunity to get more workers in the work force, hence create 'Competition' for jobs, hence lower wages, increase costs for 'housing' 'cars' and commodities. What women where left with was they had to join men in the thick of it, going to work, 9to5 and they found they could not have the 'best of both worlds' since men could no longer afford to 'provide' for a family, since there was too much Competition around now. (also dont forget women marry UP, normally).

Also most adverts e.t.c are generated for women, elite groups know women are responsible for over 85% of spending, if its there husbands or there's. They cant advertise to men, since men usually see through the BS from these adverts, but show a women an advert for Pender petites and she will go out and buy it, even though this supposed wrinkle cream kept a faced lift 45 year old famous hag from getting wrinkles, but was only brought out a year ago (women are fuc*ing dumb sometimes). Hence society is geared towards women, since there is allot of 'money' to be made from pandering to women, also women are subject to 'emotional' reactions more then 'logic' based, hence the stability of a family unit could be under strain, has an emotional women gets an outburst and has an 'open door' in the form of a get out-clause that benefits her. (more money for marriages, divorces more opportunity, wealth going to the female, child maintenence, father has to work harder, if he gets to see his kids or not, e.t.c)

Men and women in the western sphere, this is a small example of the difference in men and women:

Your 10 years old, you have a kid sister who is 9 years old.
Your father pulls you to one side and tells you:
'Do not ever hit girls, hitting girls is wrong'

Your kid sister is in ear shot of this.

A day passes, your sister comes into your room and play's with your toys, you come in and take them back from her, then she proceeds to whack you in the face as hard has she can.

'Your head snaps and you hit her back'.

She goes running to 'daddy' (i.e big brother state), tells daddy you hit her, Daddy comes and disciplines you, even though you tell him what had happened.

To put further salt in the wound, your dad then picks up your toys and passes them to the little princess to play with and grounds you to your room.



This is an example of 'state' control, women are, has a majority not accountable for there 'actions', daddy is always there to step up to there defence, i.e one only has to look at how women are treated in a court of law, and get 'puss* pass treatment', Men in all regards are accountable for 'there actions', many times have i seen women do rude stuff to men in public places; slapping them, tripping them up, throwing food at them e.t.c, if a man did this he would be jumped on by other 'men' and be locked up, where these women normally get 'cheers', i saw one women beat a guy up for him calling her a ***** in the middle of the high street, all the other women and men stood around where 'cheering her on', imagine if this was a guy hitting a girl?

Another example is sexual harassment, try telling the guard on a train a women flashed at you and see how far you get, but a month ago I watch how a police force would chase a man from 2 train station stops, because a women said he flashed at her.

I could go on, but know this:

We live in a matriarchal sphere, because there is 'alot' of money to be made from the 'gullible' materialistic, emotion fuelled female, feminist where a ka-ching deal to the people who make money and they don’t care about 'you', separation of the 'family' is the next logic step, imagine having kids and your 12year old daughter 'sues' you, that is really the sign of one fuc*ed up world, but will soon be a reality.

If men stayed away from marriage, these so called ‘elites’ will have no choice, to get on the men’s side, since women want ‘marriage’ more then men, when men hold out, in that only have there own wealth to spend, these money moguls will have no choice but to take the ‘man’ angle and drop all this feminist BS altogether, this wont happen whilst men are more then willing to be shafted up the back crack, which, which ever way you look at in, in terms of marriage men get a dumb deal, you cant deny this!
 
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jonwon said:
Your idealized world, is not the real world.

Dont blame me for my warped views on marriage blame how fuc*ing horrible the institution is, the natural order of things is all well and good LMS, but that means fuc* all when your the only one preaching it.

Hence its all well and good believing in the institution, but the world around me tells me its a just a label that means nothing but servitude to the female gender, hence its a joke, so you can speel your natural order of things has much has you feel like it, this sadly is an 'ideal' the world is not formed on ideals, the world has in the western sphere is formed on 'reality' and 'reality' says marriage is a dumb deal for men.

Also the point of the first post was to get back to the 'ideal', not away from it, hence i have state time and time again, if i would get married again, i would choose the preachers method over any other, so the 'ideal', is there, your just choosing to ignore what i write, for some obscure reason.

And i'll take is has 'personnal' as i see fit, just like you take your 'ideal' personal.
The natural order of things merely implies that the male and female are naturally inclined to come together - as genetically designed - and that the male is the final decision maker of the two!

As I stated, there has been artificial interference by the "State" - but this doesn't disqualify marriage between the male/female!! Is the system rigged to make the female strong and the man weak in the relationship? YES!! But since you don't believe in the Hor Matrix that I preach, then you don't understand the "Whys"!! You have fallen into the trap!!

This is why I am so adamant in telling others to be careful of who they marry, and to ONLY seek one who is a virgin - of the flesh and heart - because it is the man who will pay the heavy price!! There are tens of millions of examples of this in America - but since DJ's/ people don't like reality they get burned!! And I say, they deserve it for straying from truth!!!
 

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Last Man Standing said:
The natural order of things merely implies that the male and female are naturally inclined to come together - as genetically designed - and that the male is the final decision maker of the two!

As I stated, there has been artificial interference by the "State" - but this doesn't disqualify marriage between the male/female!! Is the system rigged to make the female strong and the man weak in the relationship? YES!! But since you don't believe in the Hor Matrix that I preach, then you don't understand the "Whys"!! You have fallen into the trap!!

This is why I am so adamant in telling others to be careful of who they marry, and to ONLY seek one who is a virgin - of the flesh and heart - because it is the man who will pay the heavy price!! There are tens of millions of examples of this in America - but since DJ's/ people don't like reality they get burned!! And I say, they deserve it for straying from truth!!!

A virgin?

I think you have some tainted idea of what a virgin is in the western sphere, LMS, i think your picking at straws and hoping if you marry a women who is a virgin in the western sphere all will be good.

To me I just see potential for corruption.

Hence you wont be seeing any 40 year old female virgins about, the hor matrix you speak of is the foundation of feminism, liberation, far too many women are caught up in it, to hold themselves off for LMS, if that was true the master of the 'ideal', i.e you would have found a virgin by now, you have not, which does not give hope for the rest of us, but even if you happened to find this so called wonder women.

She would be tainted by the western sphere far too much to qualify has marriage material anyway. (marriage is a dumb deal for men, virgin or not!!)

Your ideal is just and note-worthy, most men would love that fantasy to be reality, but LMS, to me your talking fantasy, fantasy that has justification none the less and at its core (when you take away the virgin stuff) has some amazing advice in there, but sadly, I for one don’t think your going to get that ideal from a 'virgin'.

I can do a Google search right now and link in posts from men, who have travelled abroad met virgin women and brought them over to the western sphere. As soon has the women is settled and gets surrounded by the 'liberation' cra*, she is soon pandering for divorce and a nice pay out, so she can pursue better men and still receive a marriage wage from provider guy chump.

Hence there is no reason a virgin wont do this or cant do this, none what-so-ever, the fact is:

In the western sphere, the cards are stacking in the women’s favour, in terms of relationship ideals, no amount of virginal puss*, is going to change that, no amount of getting a women from another country who happens to hold beliefs of family e.t.c is going to change that, not if you reside in this fuc*ing piece of shi* western cun*ry any longer, sorry for the outburst, but I am sick and tired of the bias and I am tired of the typical message of: get married, conform to an agenda, its the mans fault, your just not choosing them right, take a virgin, choose better next time, e.t.c and fuc*ing nausea.

The fact of the matter is LMS, DJ like me (not that I give a shi* for the label) will only ever think about that level of commitment when the women proves in not so subtle ways, she wont abuse the system if it goes tits up, not a virgin, who can be exploited by the system.

Your ideas are sound, but your foundation is about has solid has a building built on quick sand, that is what I think. Your reality is all well and good, I just think your reality is 'fantasy of an ideal', sadly that ideal has got many a man burnt in the past, I prefer to not be another statistic, virgin or not, they are not the promised land you so make them out to be.

But then again, I agree on women having no value other then there puss* should be avoided like the plague and be sport fuc*ed only, but I don’t think your going to meet the girl who is worth settling down for, by hanging out at high school, since that’s the only place your going to find a virgin in the western sphere and YOU know it.


I aint straying from the TRUTH, i embrace it whole-heartidy and i use it to my advantage, i dont hold out for a fantasy, i accept the way things are and i have adjusted, i wont be telling men to conform to a biased agenda, unlike you.

Take away the virgin Bull cra* and i would applaud your posts more then most posters on this board, but the virgin ideal is just an ideal, sadly.

Society was built to serve family and the unity of male and female, now corruption is deep and now society is serving itself, at least i see it from the sidelines, i dont plan on getting involved, but i will 'enjoy' myself, there is no reason not to, so yes i will embrace the hor matrix, because it serves men like me perfectly, why buy the cow when milk is for free? Until this society starts to take note of what men want, this will not change, virgin or not.
 
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That was a good, true, and honest post Jonwon :up:

I am not living in a fantasy - I'm merely espousing the norm - what I call the natural order of things! You are speaking of the unnatural order (men marrying corrupt women),which is a failed path!

This is why I said a virgin of the flesh AND heart - meaning she is in her rightful place in her femininity - a woman!! Women aren't trying to destroy men, but hors are!!!

A non-virgin has corrupted her flesh and her heart and is in a fallen state and thus should never be loved, trusted, or married!!! Don't marry these corrupt women!!!

In societies where non-virgins are looked upon with shame, the hor is chastised and condemned and not wanted as a wife or a mother-to-be!! But, in America, and other corrupt nations, the hor is being promoted as a princess and one to be cherished and valued (the hor matrix) -- and the foolish corrupt men are pursuing them with honor and marrying them!!!! These men deserve their pain and suffering for embracing that which should have been rejected!! I rejected the hor - and thus have peace of mind and live free!!!

I rather be alone than accept a corrupted body, heart, and mind - I'm better for it!!!

If you want children/family then you must take vows of loyalty to provide for what comes out of it - this is called marriage!!! Only marry a virgin - to do otherwise makes you part of the problem in promoting and reinforcing the hor matrix!!!!
 

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Last Man Standing said:
That was a good, true, and honest post Jonwon :up:

I am not living in a fantasy - I'm merely espousing the norm - what I call the natural order of things! You are speaking of the unnatural order (men marrying corrupt women),which is a failed path!

This is why I said a virgin of the flesh AND heart - meaning she is in her rightful place in her femininity - a woman!! Women aren't trying to destroy men, but hors are!!!

A non-virgin has corrupted her flesh and her heart and is in a fallen state and thus should never be loved, trusted, or married!!! Don't marry these corrupt women!!!

In societies where non-virgins are looked upon with shame, the hor is chastised and condemned and not wanted as a wife or a mother-to-be!! But, in America, and other corrupt nations, the hor is being promoted as a princess and one to be cherished and valued (the hor matrix) -- and the foolish corrupt men are pursuing them with honor and marrying them!!!! These men deserve their pain and suffering for embracing that which should have been rejected!! I rejected the hor - and thus have peace of mind and live free!!!

I rather be alone than accept a corrupted body, heart, and mind - I'm better for it!!!

If you want children/family then you must take vows of loyalty to provide for what comes out of it - this is called marriage!!! Only marry a virgin - to do otherwise makes you part of the problem in promoting and reinforcing the hor matrix!!!!

You probably have no idea on how much i agree with you, i just dont like the virgin line, i understand what you mean though, but i dont think a virgin in flesh is going to provide it, a virgin in heart, possibly.

And yes i agree with this statement the most:
I rather be alone than accept a corrupted body, heart, and mind - I'm better for it!!!

Its no wonder most marriages fail, men choose appaulingly, i know: I did also.

But saying that i still dont think the promised land is the virginal continent.

But other then that, i agree whole-heartidly.

A guy your age and still retaining this level of commitment to his well fair in all respects is an inspiration LMS, you have not compromised your position for any typical average women and i applaud that, i really do.

You are clearly wiser then you let on, but the angle of the 'virgin' is not something i can get my head round or grasp, i can grasp using the hor matrix to my advantage, which i think PRL would approve of.
 
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jonwon said:
A guy your age and still retaining this level of commitment to his well fair in all respects is an inspiration LMS, you have not compromised your position for any typical average women and i applaud that, i really do.
In today's environment, a man of principles should expect to be alone!!! I embrace reality wholeheartedly, and I am better for it!
 
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