And the chump of the year goes to....

[Night-hawk]

A post like this really makes you realize where women get their entitlement princess mentalities from

Heck ya.

step your game up massively men

!!

This is good stuff. Sappy guy get's what he wants: everyone to know what a prince charming he is.
Sosuave gets what they want: empirical evidence, discussion, and reference points to know where they actually stand in - or out of - the matrix, compared to other gentlemen.

Comparison is good when it contributes to a better learning and understanding of yourself and others.

Keep em comin' man.

 

[Married Buried]

Sad story from what you have told us. But he isn't a teenager, and this is his decision. Nobody forced him to do it, so he can fall on his own sword sadly.

I hate reading these stories, and they anger me to be honest. But in one way it makes me glad that I took the time to work on myself, and fixing self esteem issues etc from when I was young, and especially when it came to growing as a person, and especially into a man I'm happy to be.

This story upsets me because she is the type of woman who deserves to be alone. One of those lying cheating types her entire life and already been divorced 3 times.

 

[Night-hawk]

And that's a good point to raise. Even though we have been focusing at the guy here, remember about the girl in the picture. When looking at guys beta behaviors, chumpyness, and sappy crap, that we aren't putting the girl on a pedestal in the process. Like malice said, this girl is doing her own ****ed up thing. This is a particular case involving a girl - and we go by malice's info. - who isn't great relationship material. There are girls out there who wouldn't lead a guy on like this and wouldn't even give him the SPACE to let **** like this in. But even if she is enabling him, it is still the guys choice to carry on like he is. And naturally, she is going to enjoy the attention and everything else this guy is giving her.

 

[Married Buried]

And that's a good point to raise. Even though we have been focusing at the guy here, remember about the girl in the picture. When looking at guys beta behaviors, chumpyness, and sappy crap, that we aren't putting the girl on a pedestal in the process. Like malice said, this girl is doing her own ****ed up thing. This is a particular case involving a girl - and we go by malice's info. - who isn't great relationship material. There are girls out there who wouldn't lead a guy on like this and wouldn't even give him the SPACE to let **** like this in. But even if she is enabling him, it is still the guys choice to carry on like he is.

I think he has no idea how she really is. She is a good actor and says she has been the victim her entire life and dumb guys believe it. This is the biggest Captain Save a Ho case I've seen.

 

[HBK]

Yeah i agree, women like her will never take responsibility for their actions, and will always feel they were the victims. Guys like him love the idea, they are captain save a hoe "I'm different.." "this is true love!" "She deserves happiness, from all the guys who messed her around, i'm going to be the best boyfriend ever!!! "

In fairness, not all women are like her, but she is a classic 100% example of a bona fide kunt.

 

[backbreaker]

More likely, they divorced the fathers of their children because they were tired of them and wanted the child support. With some women, children are practically their livelihood. Get a couple of ex-husband/fathers to pay child support, add in welfare payments, tax deductions, and a new live-in father or boyfriend to pay the current bills, and they're all set.

this site is a great place to learn about how to swollow the red pill and to figure out what the world really is about but at the same time, we have to make sure we don't paint the entire female gender with a broad brush.

each woman you have to look at and learn and judge by her individual methods. It's like in horse racing some people are hell bent on trying to make every race fit one angle i call it lazy handicapping.


becuase of this i am going to quickly dissolve a litlte bit into my life story growing up.

my dad met my momn when she was a senior in central high school (little rock 9, same school). actually my dad had met my aunt, who is one year older than my mom but found my mom more attractive (she is) and strated talking to her. one thing led to another, freshman year of college my dad knocks up my mom, here comes baby backreaker on fathers day in 1983. they got married in 1987. my mom who was still in college, very religious, was head over hells in love with my dad. for all my dad for all his faults, lack of game was not one of them.

anyway, when i was 6 my dad knocked up another woman at his job and my mom filed for a divorce. mom never cheated on my dad. she was pretty heart broken over the whole deal but put up a good face for me. even let my littel brother come over and play with me every weekend.

in the summer time i woudl stay at my dad's becuase he worked at night so i would go over his house with his new GF every day and played over there. a few years later he cheated on her as well with another woman who he would end up marrying, my ex step mom donna. of all the women my dad dated and married, donna is the one i give him somewaht of a pass on she was bat**** crazy and had gambling problems. they got a divorce. my dad starts dating my now step mom and they get married when i was what, 19. when i was 21 i had to let my dad come stay with me for a month beucase he got caught cheating and she kicked him out the house. she found his "other" cell phone in his glove compartment in his car. eventually he moved back, we don't talk now but my mom told me that she has filed for divorce the last few months.

my mom, my little brothers mom are 2 of the most religious women you will ever find. neither of them cheated on my dad , both were head over heels in love with him.

in fact this is what really sent me down on my AFC path as i wanted to be nothing like him. my dad is a true *****. i did everything my dad did not do. it was not until i was older that i realized that i could take some elements of what my dad got right and could leave the rest. he just doesn't stop.

my dad, basically ruined 2 women's entire dating life by fathering me and caleb my little brother. my mom is pretty attractive and would still get suitors but non would 100% commit utnil ironically enough the week i turned 21 she got re married. caleb's mom , poor woman, i am pretty sure she has had 1 BF in the last 20 years outside my dad and he is just 22 years old so he just got out the house.

i am not just saying this becuase it's my mom, but my mom and keisha, caleb's mom are good women who just got used by a man who had no intention of settling down. both have masters degrees and neither did not need a man to take care of their kids, both me and caleb grew up relatively well off to be in single family households though my dad was not a ****ty dad at all he was a pretty good dad, just a ****ty husband.

me and my mother get into over religon, but in reality she's what you would draw up to be a wife if you had to draw from scratch. extremely intelligent, i mean, i'm not jugigng my mom she's an attractive woman, not supermodel good looking but she's easy on the eyes, makes very good money, goes to church every wednesday and sunday, spotless credit, doesn't waste money whatsoever, made sure my homework was done everynight.. besides not being able to cook worth a damn, you couldn't' ask for anyting else.. and my problem when i hit my teens and started attracting the opposite sex, is i thought every woman was like my mom, as long as i was nice to them. i was wrong. i also had to learn that even when you found a good one, you still had to keep her attracted to you. just because a woman is a good woman doesn't' mean she isn't a woman. for all my dad's faults my mom worshiped my dad, bull **** and all. there aren't that many of them out there like my mom. when i found one that for the most part was, i put a ring on her finger.


let's talk about this guy. the reason the guy has falling so hard becuase this is the type of guy that grows up believing be nice, flowers, love, affection, gifts, etc... and it's finally paying off. he thinks he has found a woman who can 'appricate' him but in reality what he does not understand is that she is settling for him. he just doesn't get it. he thinks it's his game and he just found a woman who can understand a good man when she sees one. what he has to grow to understand is that he is the emergency in case of fire break glass ****. it's hard to convince guys that they are emergency only ****.

I mean i'm not trying to be a white knight, far from it but i'm not going to sit here and let you paint the entire freaking female race as *****s who are trying to get over becuase that is not the case. but with that said, there are some defiantly out there.

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[zekko]

let's talk about this guy. the reason the guy has falling so hard becuase this is the type of guy that grows up believing be nice, flowers, love, affection, gifts, etc... and it's finally paying off. he thinks he has found a woman who can 'appricate' him but in reality what he does not understand is that she is settling for him. he just doesn't get it. he thinks it's his game and he just found a woman who can understand a good man when she sees one. what he has to grow to understand is that he is the emergency in case of fire break glass ****. it's hard to convince guys that they are emergency only ****.

Well, that's more than likely the case here. But what if she really likes him? I mean, clearly the guy is moving way too fast at the very least. But speaking of painting with a broad brush, you surely can't say that every guy who marries a woman with kids is emergency glass, and is being settled for. What if they really like each other?

By the same token, look at one of the most common PUA concepts. That the woman will fvck guys she is attracted to until she is 30, then suddenly realize her value is dropping, so she settles for and marries some chump that doesn't turn her on. Now I'm sure this is a common scenario. But rather than settling, isn't it possible (in some cases at least) that the woman has matured enough to realize that her taste in men has been flawed, and she wants something else?

I know I dated women when I was younger that weren't exactly good for me (other than teaching me not to deal with those types). I also used to have a fondness for slvts (not for relationships, but because they were easy), whereas now they disgust me. If I can sharpen my taste in women as I get older, why can't they?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

How does this guy's situation surprise anyone? It's simply retroactive cuckoldry. Mate with (perceptive) Alphas for breeding, pair bond with resource-ready Betas for parental investment responsibilities. There's no better proof of women's pluralistic mating strategy than a feminine acculturated Beta male who proudly claims his cuckold status as a badge of honor.

 

[backbreaker]

Well, that's more than likely the case here. But what if she really likes him? I mean, clearly the guy is moving way too fast at the very least. But speaking of painting with a broad brush, you surely can't say that every guy who marries a woman with kids is emergency glass, and is being settled for. What if they really like each other?

By the same token, look at one of the most common PUA concepts. That the woman will fvck guys she is attracted to until she is 30, then suddenly realize her value is dropping, so she settles for and marries some chump that doesn't turn her on. Now I'm sure this is a common scenario. But rather than settling, isn't it possible (in some cases at least) that the woman has matured enough to realize that her taste in men has been flawed, and she wants something else?

I know I dated women when I was younger that weren't exactly good for me (other than teaching me not to deal with those types). I also used to have a fondness for slvts (not for relationships, but because they were easy), whereas now they disgust me. If I can sharpen my taste in women as I get older, why can't they?

lol i'm quite sure she does like him. If i were a 30 year old woman with 2 kids and a guy came in cooking for me cleaning for me buying me a house i'd be wet with excitement as well


but she likes him for the wrong reasons and once it has been established that he is the provider of the family and once he's tied into the marriage contact, she will have no incentive to keep liking him.

in other words, let me put it this way; when you base your entire relationship, your being qualified to date her , by being a provider, when you are then made by law to provide for her and her family and she knows you hae to put a roof over her head and you have to buy groceries and you have to pay for day care.. what incentive does she have to like you anymore?

the answer is none. a woman has to like YOU and be into YOU because of the man that you are, not beucase you provide for her. that will never work and if it does the man will be miserable as hell


My assistant is what.. 44 years old now. and to be 44 she is quite attractive. so much so that my wife thought a few years ago so infamously on this forum that i was cheating on her with her. that was the starbucks girl my assistant. anyway, she has a son who she had in her 20's, kid like my son is mixed as well. she was smoking in her 20's i mean smoking and when she got in her 30's still she was hot enough to command attention. single mom all those years dad no where to be found. she found a man in her late 30's who saw her and thought finally he oculd have a chance with a woman this attractive.she told me they had sex nightly when they first met. now that they are married he has to basically be int eh best fvcking mood on earth for him to "get lucky" how the fvck do you get lucky with your own damn wife.

 

[AlNess]

Those status updates were painful to read.

Even at my worst and lowest AFC moments, and despite getting involved to varying degrees with a couple of single moms when I was younger, I still always felt deep down inside that the stepdad role was definitely NOT for me, and knew there was NO future there for us.

 

[HBK]

Firstly lets make this clear. There is nothing wrong with single mom's! Most of them are great mothers, and do their very best to raise their children on their own. Albeit bad decisions in relation to a douche bag husband(s)/boyfriend etc and past mistakes left them with a family to raise on their own, and usually the case is the type of guys that used and abused them, and who dont take responsibility for their actions, like not paying child support etc are what we like to call jerks/morons/losers and no balls.

I admire those types of single mom's, and wish them all but the best in rearing a family as best the can, while making personal sacrifices for their children, in the circumstances they find themselves in. A woman should not be punished for the rest of her life if she made a mistake, and got pregnant when young. I have friends who are single, stable, and loving mom's. However they just don't date any more, as they don't have the time. Their primary focus is on their kids, and doing the best the can, working, feeding, educating and clothing their children. They rarely go out, and if they do it's for few drinks with their old girlfriends, for a rare night out. Do they not deserve happiness because of making past mistakes? Life is too short, and the answer is of course they do.

As long as her child/children are not being neglected, or used as a scapegoat and If they meet a guy who is mature, can respect she has kids, and they both understand these variables will have on the realtionship, and respect each other, then nothing is wrong with that, and I say let them be happy. However, will/would i date a single mom? Too many complications, and it's not what i desire. But each to their own.

Now on the other side, in reference to the OP's woman in question. Single mom's who are man eaters or cheats, hoors etc and leave a good AFC man to mess around behind his back with jerks, hang out in bars all night and nightclubs, dress like tramps and leave the children to be raised by some poor AFC father, and meanwhile put their whole family at jeopardy, are people I loathe and wish couldn't have kids.

The kids don't deserve to be put through this, while momma is out man hunting and fooling around, the kids are home alone, or worse they have to listen to a different Uncle Bob/Joe/Al/Mike/Pong/Jay/Paddy each week bonking mommy through the walls, while she moans selfishly in her bedroom, the poor kids have no choice but listen on. This is their life.This is terrible and unacceptable. I just think of rabbit's mother in 8 mile. These low life women, who's appetite for only just sex alone, and getting as much out of a guy as possible, and who will compromise their children's childhood and not being good parents are what really drives me crazy. No wonder we have so many kids who are in foster homes, or detention centres. You will hear some parents say "oh they always blame the parents" DAMN FCKIN RIGHT they should!!!! Parents are the bottom line when it comes to raising children properly. Not school, not the government but both PARENTS! It's the parent's responsibility to make sure the kids are respectful, well mannered, have morals, fed, clothed, and being brought up in a loving and growing environment where they can develop themselves into future great strong young women and men, with endless possibilities. Give them a great chance in life, and not people who will shoot me when i walk into a shop.

Oh "I'm looking for love" " I still want to party like I'm 19" No that darling is being a hoor.

We can blame the AFC guy as say he didn't take care of his ****, and yes he needs to man up. But if he is a good father, and his wife/gf is out bonking every last jerk/or DJ, then what really defines her as a person? Is it natural to just assume she has a healthy sexual appetite and will always be the victim, maybe low self esteem or because of male standards? Or who as woman and who above all else as a mother would not do this to her family. The attitude stinks. Me first, my kids later. Lot's of excuses. If somebody like the guy the poster is referring to comes along and wants to play captain save a ho to a woman like this, then this makes me cringe worse. You cannot reward behaviour like this.

Society is too kind to sluts. Once shamed out of town, they are now celebrated, forgiven and admired for their behaviour.

 

[zekko]

in other words, let me put it this way; when you base your entire relationship, your being qualified to date her , by being a provider, when you are then made by law to provide for her and her family and she knows you hae to put a roof over her head and you have to buy groceries and you have to pay for day care.. what incentive does she have to like you anymore?

the answer is none. a woman has to like YOU and be into YOU because of the man that you are, not beucase you provide for her. that will never work and if it does the man will be miserable as hell

That's exactly what I'm saying. Forgetting the chump in the OP's story for a moment, since it sounds like he's a lost cause. What if the single mother really DOES like a guy for the man that he is? And getting a new daddy for her child is just a bonus? I'm sure that must occur from time to time. But I'm sure there will always be some people standing off to the side, judging the situation and shaking their heads about it.

 

[zekko]

The question is, why would HE want to be with her if he has the options that an alpha would naturally generate?

Good question. Maybe she ticks off all his boxes. Maybe the kid doesn't bother him, as maybe he has children by other women being raised elsewhere. Maybe the "alpha" is paying so much child support that he really isn't so much of a prize anymore, who knows/

Let me ask a new question:
When you get to be my age, there are a lot of "single mothers" around, but their children have grown up and left the house. What is the board's opinion on dating such women? Since you wouldn't really be in a cuckold situation?

 

[scrouds]

basically....it's been awhile and I was motivated to make a thread when I saw this today.

MOTHERFUUCKER. YOU NEED TO GET OVER THIS **** MAN.

 

[zekko]

For the first statement, I would argue that an alpha or man of high value can certainly generate better options.

Most likely. But who's to say what someone else wants?

One of the toughest things we as men can do is to be honest with our own value.

Well, that's simple. From what I read on this forum, practically every guy on here is an 8.

Seriously though, I agree.

My biggest concern would be whether I was being "used" in some way to get her out of a bad situation (monetarily or otherwise).

I have to admit I'm a pretty selfish fellow. I like to be #1 in my girl's life. If you're dating a mother, I imagine her children would always be #1 in her life. That's probably as it should be, but it's not the same as if it were your kids also. I'm not sure I would like that.

As for being used, I don't pay my girls' bills, so that's not an issue.
I do know some people (of both genders) whose spouses brought huge debts into their marriages, and they're having to help pay those debts, whether directly or indirectly. And I can tell they greatly resent it. So that's something to watch out for.

 

[Zarky]

Being a single man is a nightmare

This quote by the chump seems insightful.

 

[Married Buried]

Here is the latest facebook update from the chump

another great finish to a long day, seeking just a moment of peace in my day from work and wondering what tomorrow may bring. Hopefully and prayerfully no BS just nice and smooooth

Interesting that he doesn't want to deal with any BS but look what he is doing.

 

[Insouciant]

Well, that's more than likely the case here. But what if she really likes him? I mean, clearly the guy is moving way too fast at the very least. But speaking of painting with a broad brush, you surely can't say that every guy who marries a woman with kids is emergency glass, and is being settled for. What if they really like each other?

By the same token, look at one of the most common PUA concepts. That the woman will fvck guys she is attracted to until she is 30, then suddenly realize her value is dropping, so she settles for and marries some chump that doesn't turn her on. Now I'm sure this is a common scenario. But rather than settling, isn't it possible (in some cases at least) that the woman has matured enough to realize that her taste in men has been flawed, and she wants something else?

I know I dated women when I was younger that weren't exactly good for me (other than teaching me not to deal with those types). I also used to have a fondness for slvts (not for relationships, but because they were easy), whereas now they disgust me. If I can sharpen my taste in women as I get older, why can't they?

Excellent insight! I tend to agree with this, Zekko.

This is why I prefer this forum over the PUA forums. It seems like people here in general are more well-adjusted than your average PUA guy. Or maybe it's just an age thing. I admit that I myself dove into PUA strategies when I was a shy, awkward high school teen. As I got older, I stopped doing any of the lines they suggested and started internalizing everything to fit my personality. The interaction with the opposite sex is about the vibe, the calibration, and the unraveling of each other's vulnerability.

From what I've seen of this community, Don Juans in general just have a great appreciation for for women; Unlike many members of the PUA community who as "alphas" because deep down, women terrify them.

 

[HBK]

Excellent insight! I tend to agree with this, Zekko.

This is why I prefer this forum over the PUA forums. It seems like people here in general are more well-adjusted than your average PUA guy. Or maybe it's just an age thing. I admit that I myself dove into PUA strategies when I was a shy, awkward high school teen. As I got older, I stopped doing any of the lines they suggested and started internalizing everything to fit my personality. The interaction with the opposite sex is about the vibe, the calibration, and the unraveling of each other's vulnerability.

From what I've seen of this community, Don Juans in general just have a great appreciation for for women; Unlike many members of the PUA community who as "alphas" because deep down, women terrify them.

I cannot agree more. When i came here 10 years ago looking for advice in what i needed to be successful with women, i felt this alone would make me happier as a man. I spent so much time, emotion and thought into this part of my life, looking back i often wonder do all guys go through this?

No longer did i want to feel weak, or needy, or just the guy in the corner at the party, I wanted to command respect and have women fall over themselves to be with me. The results were amazing, I changed myself and in the meantime had loads of fun, made new interesting friends, and a real devil may care attitude to women. As the years went by, and you learn PUA material, i also concentrated on working on Self esteem issues, also developing as a man, not just a player. Through a few LTR's i was able to learn, make mistakes and grow into appreciating women, and learn not what to do. But most of all actually loving the mystery of women, and not resenting them for being women.

Now, the amount of times my female friends would say, "she's checking you out" "Why don't you date my friend" "You really don't care, I love that attitude!" While nowadays all I'm really doing is getting on with my life, and not focusing my energy into just 1 aspect of my life of women and relationships.

Deep down what it's all about is Women allowed to be women without any social constraints, and glow with all their beauty and passion.

And Men not afraid of being men, being strong, independent and somebody a woman can admire.

 

[Married Buried]

Here is the latest update. It is getting to super chump status. He has been dating the BPD for 2 months and now he is bragging about babysitting the BPD's little bast@rd baby that is 6 months old and calling her wifey.

Well got the baby all day to myself and loving it went for a walk and having some great dad and son time. Now it is time to clean the house and have everything ready so when wifey gets home she can realax to a great dinner and a clean home. Quite the adjustment but guess mom and dad have always prepared me for this moment and Bridgett as well Lmao

The funniest thing is she never posts any updates about him.

I'll bet you 20 bucks she is with another guy all day while this chump is posting on facebook.