And after everything I've accomplished over the years I'm still unhappy

[TheAsianLover]

I understand how you feel.

I've approached many women at the bars and clubs. Daygame, grocery stores, the gym. They all rejected me.

All of my lays have come from online game and ****ing my clients. A lot of lays too.

My greatest attribute is my persistence, I never give in. If I see a b*tch checking me out, I still approach. My mind tells me why bother? It'll just be another rejection. I ignore it.

 

[8YearLurker]

I understand how you feel.

I've approached many women at the bars and clubs. Daygame, grocery stores, the gym. They all rejected me.

All of my lays have come from online game and ****ing my clients. A lot of lays too.

My greatest attribute is my persistence, I never give in. If I see a b*tch checking me out, I still approach. My mind tells me why bother? It'll just be another rejection. I ignore it.

Dude, at least your approaching. My problem is my LACK OF EVEN TRYING (during the day). Even with IOI's.

Someone here said it perfectly too (think it was Tazman?):

The approach verifies (1)her attractiveness and (2) your confidence. I think these 2 criteria is how this whole mating game is supposed to play out.

 

[TheAsianLover]

Dude, at least your approaching. My problem is my LACK OF EVEN TRYING (during the day). Even with IOI's.

Someone here said it perfectly too (think it was Tazman?):

The approach verifies (1)her attractiveness and (2) your confidence. I think these 2 criteria is how this whole mating game is supposed to play out.

I gave up approaching random hot women a long time ago.

Now I look for

1. Strong eye contact
2. Smile

 

[GFBCurious]

Question: Is sex with women who are (on a personal scale) below your caliber what you want anymore?

For me, I used to enjoy approaching, the challenge, thrill, etc. I recently graduated from a high-ranked university and took a job in my hometown and now I find that I can talk to whoever I want to easily. I'm insanely confident. There's no challenge, there's nobody that smart around (no major universities or smart-people draws in the area). I got a haircut today and got the girl's number, no problem just for the hell of it.

Problem is for me, that isn't what I want anymore. I want smart WOMEN. I want challenges. F*** the homebodies and the nice, simple girls. The last girl I dated was cute, aggressive and brilliant (we're still friends, we broke up peacefully because of distance - when we were dating, for a multitude of reasons outside of her too, was the happiest I've ever been in my life). I'm not content with any girl who doesn't challenge me in some way, and I'm not finding that where I live right now.

For that and other reasons (my hometown has nothing to explore or challenge me - I'm taking classes online and working a second job at a hedge fund just to stay busy), I'm getting the hell out of my hometown, getting into a new industry, and moving to DC (plenty of young smart ambitious people there, for friends and women) when I hit a year at my job.

Find women that on a capability scale, impress the living f*** out of you, that intimidate you, and go ass-over-teakettle after them. Find smart, ambitious women who won't jump on you in a heartbeat.

And instead of approaching blind, network. Look through friends of friends, reconnect with old friends (school alumni network?), etc. Find friends who are doctors/lawyers/prestigious fields and find smart, capable women who stand up for themselves there.

Just my two cents.

 

[8YearLurker]

Yeah I feel the same way.

I went back to the educational institution I trained at the other day to see some faculty members. The first thing I notice is that the library is FILLED with young pretty blonde women.

My big pull for women was my job, and my wealth and body was always second in my mind. Well guess what. These girls aren't going to be phased by my job, wealth, looks because... they all are going to have the same thing I do! That's what their training for.

It really wasn't like that even 8 years ago when I trained there.


Those are the types that really turn me on. The smart hot ones. These girls are going to come out of school with a 6 figure minimum salary, starting.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Dude, at least your approaching. My problem is my LACK OF EVEN TRYING (during the day). Even with IOI's.

Someone here said it perfectly too (think it was Tazman?):

The approach verifies (1)her attractiveness and (2) your confidence. I think these 2 criteria is how this whole mating game is supposed to play out.

dude you sound like you're afraid of lifting weights because you can't bench five hundred pounds right off the bat.

Start slow.

Next time you see some IOI's, just go and ask her what time it is. Then slowly build from there. Use some lame a$$ canned openers just to start a conversation without even worrying about getting even a name.

Start slow, and build.

 

[TheAsianLover]

Please do not use any PUA openers.

KISS

1. Hello
2. What's your name?
3. How is your day so far?

If she engages you in conversation, then continue, if not, say goodbye and leave.

 

[Tazman]

Find women that on a capability scale, impress the living f*** out of you, that intimidate you, and go ass-over-teakettle after them. Find smart, ambitious women who won't jump on you in a heartbeat.

So you want to chase a woman who is smart, ambitious AND intimidating?

I don't know how old you are but I can guarantee if you find a woman like that she'll make you eat your words. In my opinion, you've just described a man, not a woman.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a woman with a decent level of intelligence, but it sounds like your expectations aren't realistic. In fact, what do you think a woman who embodies all of that is going to look like?

I don't know what kind of women you've been with, since they seem extremely easy for you to pull, but I can't think of anything more terrifying than what you've just described all in the same woman. She actually sounds like a migraine headache for sure.

 

[edger]

There's reason's why guy's are hesistant to approach women, and I think they're pretty obvious when you think about it. Men fear approaching women(whether they're giving you IOI's or not), because all our lives we've heard women talk negatively about guys approaching them. How many times have we all heard women say, "Uhhh, guys are so annoying, they're always hitting on you", or "Oh my God, I was at this bar last night and this creepy guy kept hitting on me", or, "I hate going to clubs because all these guys try to hit on me and it's so annoying". Look at these words, nothing but negativity, negativity, negativity, shame, shame, shame. I mean come on, is it any wonder so many men are hesitant to talk to random women they find attractive? Growing up your whole life hearing this negative jargon from women, only conditions guy's to think and make them feel like they're doing a disservice to women, and makes them feel uncomfortable to approach women they like. Guys are so worried they're going to be coined as "creeps", "annoying", and "desperate" if they approach, because they've heard all their lives women consider men who hit on them as just that; "creeps", "annoying", "desperate", etc. And the only one's to blame are women themselve's. They've conditioned us from the time we're f*ckin' born, to think there is something wrong with approaching them. I'm almost positive this is why I'm so hesitant to cold-approach(or sometimes even approach when I'm getting IOI's). The negativity that they've placed on approaching them is so bad that even when they're giving us signs of interest, we're still hesitant to approach. Then they wonder why they can't find guys, and then have the nerve to b*tch and complain that no men approach them. Once you're conditioned a certain way, it's almost impossible to break out of it. Most people don't break out of it I would say, that's how intense it is.

And the other reason guys are hesitant is because it's common knowledge out there that women reject most guy's. She'll even reject guy's who she's giving IOI's to(women have rejected me quite a few times after giving me IOI's?). It makes guy's think, "Eh, what's the use".

It's funny because I was having this same conversation with my buddy last night, who is annoyed over the fact that I hardly ever cold-approach.

 

[Pandora]

Its a big disillusionment when we finally discover that career prestige doesn't necessarily bring you success with beautiful women. Every overachieving male prays for the day that all of his studying and effort pays off in the form of copious amounts of sex, money and social acceptance ( money and acceptance so he can get even more sex).
Approaching is vital but the OP should not feel too bad on himself. The conversion rate on cold approaching most females is low. It is possible to get a date here and there but getting a lay from it is the exception not the norm. Most of the time if she even picks up when you call u guys might go out on a date but if there's no "chemistry" there's no "chemistry".
We are under this assumption that the chicks we see in everyday life are cerebral enough to even get turned on by intelligence and intellectually stimulating jobs/people. Only a certain socioeconomic class of female gets turned on by that. I am assuming you are a physician. If you want to seduce the average young (18-25) yr old female you stand a better chance having a muscular bad boy image. Most people are not very intellectual. Especially not young hot chicks plus value associated with certain occupations vary from person to person. That random 22 yr old girl shopping at the mall is not going to vibe with you like say a 28 yr old philosophy grad student. Approach girls that you think are similar to you!!
Contrary to what PUA say, most chemistry occurs with people like ourselves. Intelligent people are attracted to intelligent people. So don't be afraid to approach. The success rate is notoriously low, alot of it being that you don't know before approaching whether that person has the same values as you do. Even if she does she might not think your hot, or she might have a boyfriend, she might be bipolar, she might be afraid to look slutty, she might like the power of rejecting, she might be bitter or a host of other reasons. There are WAY too many variables at work to take rejection from cold approaching seriously. So rejection from cold approaching, even if you are a successful guy is not that serious. Even if you date 1 out of every 10 of these women you approach that's very good.