Analysis of "The Game" book by Neil Strauss

[AngelusPUA]

I'm not saying it doesn't work I am saying do not try to be these guys because most of them a insecure and they fake their way through their lives. Who they act like at seminars and while they are sarging is not who they really are.

I’m sure a lot of their methods work, they are a little excessive and more complicated than they have to be but they work. It just worries me all these newbie’s reading these books wanting to be like Mystery and all these guys.

Like I said why would you want to become a suicidal, insecure magician?

They are fakes because they fake who they are with canned lines and all that bullsh*t. I say it is easier to attract women just change yourself into a person that women find attractive. Then you don’t need to memorize lines or run games you can just be yourself and women will love you.

Honestly Neil Strauss is the only one with a little game but he is rich to and that helps with women.

Mystery is an insecure guy who basically puts on a mask when he goes and meets women, he acts like somebody else, It may get him women but I think its demeaning to be someone you’re not just to get laid.

 

[Bvbidd]

There is no such thing as creating attraction like PUAs think you can do.

It's fake.. it's all lie.

Mystery goes out and makes up stories to convey value. There is no such thing as him creating attraction.. just him going out and pretending to be greater person than he actually is. Anybody can go out and tell a bunch of fake stories about being special to some drunk chick at a club and get their d!ck sucked.. was it really a method? No.

Neil Stratus fell for the whole PUA skills bullsh!t. That's why somebody who looked better and had more money came along and took her like that.

It's all value. When this site talks about women liking guys who other women like it's on to something because it's a scientific fact.. that's actually been proven.. but when the forum starts getting posts about tactics and being C&F to create attraction and sh!t it's lieing to you. Somebody wants your money. Their trying to tell you it takes skills that you can learn if you pay money when it really just means being an attractive person of which women want to be with. That's the truth, and the truth means not everybody gets a fair chance as some people just naturally look better, sound better, and have more money. Nobody will buy that truth.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I'm up to page 300 in the over 450 page book now that I borrowed since Thursday.

Today, I noticed the term social robots coined by Strauss, which is interesting, because we all have to turn into social robots to perfect our game. Strauss felt that Tom Cruise had a great inner game, and one of the characters from Magnolia - Monty or something, who held a seduction school, was copy-cated by Ross Jeffreys or some crap like that.

Anyway, I noticed one dude in the book, name is Tyler Durden, and I identify with him, he's socially ackward, would plow through routines and scripts without even waiting for IOI's or responses, and is a real nut. He kissed a cashier by convincing her to close her eyes and think of something, and just went and kissed her. But, it's sneaky to con someone to close their eyes and imagine something, but in a sence....

 

[Luke Skywalker]

The Tyler Durden kiss close:

How to kiss close any service girl, look at this field report - ordered a juice from a cashier.

TD: Which mango is better: mango hurricane or mango breeze?
<ambigious question about a product, which product is better, product x or product y, nice opener, -- as a hb service woman, which product in her opinion is better, nice>

HB: Mango hurricane.

TD: Awesome. I'll have the breeze.

<choose the opposite product that she recommends, assuming she recommends one.>

HB: Ha ha, okey. Which booster do you want?

TD: What are boosters?

HB: Those things on the signs on the wall.

TD: Ooh, so I can get like vitamins and energy and sh1t in it. Awesome! I'll be like a new man after I drink this. This is the sh1t.

<fluff talk here - dont know how to replicate this - just seems to be teasing everything the girl is saying - or fluff talk>

HB: Ha, ha.

TD: HIgh-Five!

HB: Okeay! [She high-fives me] Wow! That was like the coolest thing that's happened to me all day.

TD: Pretty bored, huh?

HB: Yeah, it sucks here.

TD: Humm, well, guess what?

HB: What?

TD: I love you.

HB: Ha ha. Um, okay. I love you too.

TD: Awesome! We're going to get married. Wow, you can really find love in the strangest of places, like right here at Booster juice.

HB: Ha ha

TD: Wait a sec. I know, close your eyes.

HB: Why?

TD: Just do it?

HB: Are you gonna steal my cash register or something?

TD: No, nothing like that. I swear. Remember, I love you.

HB: Okay. (CLOSES EYES)

k-closed her.

She freaks out, and goes nuts --- but he k-closed her right there.

Thought this was cool -- tell a girl you love her, if she says she loves you too - talk about marriage and finding love, then tell her to close your eyes.

Yeah, practise this on any cashier -- this is cool.

 

[The Truth]

The Tyler Durden kiss close:

How to kiss close any service girl, look at this field report - ordered a juice from a cashier.

TD: Which mango is better: mango hurricane or mango breeze?
<ambigious question about a product, which product is better, product x or product y, nice opener, -- as a hb service woman, which product in her opinion is better, nice>

HB: Mango hurricane.

TD: Awesome. I'll have the breeze.

<choose the opposite product that she recommends, assuming she recommends one.>

HB: Ha ha, okey. Which booster do you want?

TD: What are boosters?

HB: Those things on the signs on the wall.

TD: Ooh, so I can get like vitamins and energy and sh1t in it. Awesome! I'll be like a new man after I drink this. This is the sh1t.

<fluff talk here - dont know how to replicate this - just seems to be teasing everything the girl is saying - or fluff talk>

HB: Ha, ha.

TD: HIgh-Five!

HB: Okeay! [She high-fives me] Wow! That was like the coolest thing that's happened to me all day.

TD: Pretty bored, huh?

HB: Yeah, it sucks here.

TD: Humm, well, guess what?

HB: What?

TD: I love you.

HB: Ha ha. Um, okay. I love you too.

TD: Awesome! We're going to get married. Wow, you can really find love in the strangest of places, like right here at Booster juice.

HB: Ha ha

TD: Wait a sec. I know, close your eyes.

HB: Why?

TD: Just do it?

HB: Are you gonna steal my cash register or something?

TD: No, nothing like that. I swear. Remember, I love you.

HB: Okay. (CLOSES EYES)

k-closed her.

She freaks out, and goes nuts --- but he k-closed her right there.

Nice little fantasy story, but I doubt he's ever done that in real life! PUAs are full of stories like this. DeAngelo and Jeffries tell them all the time too and they get so carried away they don't realise how far fetched it sounds.

 

[The Truth]

There is no such thing as creating attraction like PUAs think you can do.

It's fake.. it's all lie.

Mystery goes out and makes up stories to convey value. There is no such thing as him creating attraction.. just him going out and pretending to be greater person than he actually is. Anybody can go out and tell a bunch of fake stories about being special to some drunk chick at a club and get their d!ck sucked.. was it really a method? No.

Neil Stratus fell for the whole PUA skills bullsh!t. That's why somebody who looked better and had more money came along and took her like that.

It's all value. When this site talks about women liking guys who other women like it's on to something because it's a scientific fact.. that's actually been proven.. but when the forum starts getting posts about tactics and being C&F to create attraction and sh!t it's lieing to you. Somebody wants your money. Their trying to tell you it takes skills that you can learn if you pay money when it really just means being an attractive person of which women want to be with. That's the truth, and the truth means not everybody gets a fair chance as some people just naturally look better, sound better, and have more money. Nobody will buy that truth.

I am with you 100% on this! But desperate men need hope and they put their faith in this sh*t. It's like all those druggies and bums who hit rock bottom and when they're at their most vulnerable they "find" religion....or a suicide cult.

 

[AngelusPUA]

Bvbidd lol I said basicaly the same thign in the post above you.

 

[everywomanshero]

I don't doubt most of the stories, I don't even work on this and listen to some of the stuff that's happened to me:

Walked into a swingers bar looking for chinese restaurant.

Dated a former stripper who got arrested for armed robery on the third date.

Dated a stripper turned vet tech who secretly dealt coke and had a gun.

Stole a guy in military training's ex-stripper wife and he tried to find me, only he thought my name was something else and the guy with that name in my town was a preacher. LOL.

Dated chicks in Central, South America and Europe... all over USA.

Dated a black girl who worked at Sheri's freaking ranch.

I could go on and on...

These guys devote their ENTIRE lives to this stuff. I am just a dabbler by comparison.

If you doubt the stories, you should increase your range of experiences. Having had those experiences just has an amazing effect on a person. I bet these guys don't even tell us HALF the crazy shyt that happens. They probably keep the best stories for use as private routines. Stuff from real life always worked better for me as stories anyway. Self-limiting beliefs are not fun.

 

[FightinTiger]

okay, but what about the good looking guys who can't get laid (like me.) If you say looks and money are what matter most, then what about the many many rich, damn good looking men in this world who are still virgins?

and what about the many ugly ass guys with dead end jobs who are basically worthless to society who get girls out the ass. yes, I'm exaggerating about this, but you get my point. I have a good friend of mine who's very overweight, but somehow he gets calls and visits and dates with girls all the time. and, more often than not, they are at least HB7's. Explain this.

that's because it takes more than what you are given. it takes skill to pick up girls. Now, of course, good looks and money help a lot. but, in the end, most girls will go home with an average joe who's incredibly witty and seductive instead of an underwear model who's fumbling over his words.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

There is no such thing as creating attraction like PUAs think you can do.

It's fake.. it's all lie.

So, I take it you think allot of stories are bogus then?

Mystery goes out and makes up stories to convey value. There is no such thing as him creating attraction.. just him going out and pretending to be greater person than he actually is. Anybody can go out and tell a bunch of fake stories about being special to some drunk chick at a club and get their d!ck sucked.. was it really a method? No.

Mystery also has much more than that, he has magic tricks, mind-games like ESP, which I have yet to try. He is into cold-reading, developing truisms - that fraud psycics usually use to read people, and he uses these skills to intrigue women - the whole thing is known as 'chick-crack' on the book, because the girls just love it.

In a sence I like that style, because, it's easy to lose a girl's attention once you get it, by throwing in chick-crack immediately after an opener, you are guaranteed to hold her attention just enough to build some more rapport and fluff. Add a false-time constraint to this (i.e. I have to be very brief as I have some friends waiting for me), and presto.

In terms of fake stories - well, this is the first time I've heard this one, I didn't read this was Mystery's style in the book, but maybe I missed something. Mystery, did over dress or act in ways of attracting attention to himself, but other than being an illusionist, I didn't read that he has fake story routines. Perhaps you can quote a page in the book where these 'fake stories' were used (I'm up to page 300).

Neil Stratus fell for the whole PUA skills bullsh!t. That's why somebody who looked better and had more money came along and took her like that.

I've read allot of conquests by Neil Straus with his alter ego character Style, and the AFC he was before the PUA. Whether it got him what he really wanted at the end of the day is another story, but as far as 'doing the job', to find, meet, attract, and 'do the deed', it seems he was successful.

Robin Williams is a worthy adversary anyway, he's an actor, a comic actor. If he lost his gf to a homeless person, where she took care of him and gave him her house, food, and her body then that would probably sting more.

It's all value. When this site talks about women liking guys who other women like it's on to something because it's a scientific fact..

Social proof is part of the toolbox.

that's actually been proven.. but when the forum starts getting posts about tactics and being C&F to create attraction and sh!t it's lieing to you. Somebody wants your money. Their trying to tell you it takes skills that you can learn if you pay money when it really just means being an attractive person of which women want to be with. That's the truth, and the truth means not everybody gets a fair chance as some people just naturally look better, sound better, and have more money. Nobody will buy that truth.

Alright. The people from the book, The Game, came from all walks of life before they became PUA's. You have the 'lonely millionaries', or high-profile guys that envy guys in lower social status that seem to have it easy with women. There is always a BEFORE and an AFTER to virtually every person that went in that book, and relentlessly developed their game.

So, as based on the book, the Game, it would seem that by learning secret skills, you can be successful with women, and success is a function of what you can memorise and spew out of your mouth, and a confidence factor.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

No she didn't. That was only reported on a British tabloid. A few months later it was confirmed that all those rumours were false, Neil was with Lisa at a PUA convention in California. Even a dorky looking scrawny short bald guy like Neil Strauss beat Robbie Williams with superior game.

Do you mind posting a link to the confirmation that the breakup was false. I can't find it anywhere.

 

[SeldomSeen]

Re:

As far as the breakup its been talked about on other sites. On Styles MySpace page he is now listed as 'Single' Where as two months ago he was listed as 'In a Relationship'

Mystery, Style, Lance, etc are not invincible. They get shot down like everyone else but like a good salesman they also make/made sales and achieve success based on that. Mystery and Lances (pickup101) workshops always booked. Now personally I wouldnt pay $1000 or whatever to learn the PU game because I think there is enough information online to improve your game and enough good books out there to help you but I know one guy who shelled out money for Mysterys workshop and said it was worth it for him and his game is so much better but to
each his own, I think having a complete game is better than the ability to pickup women for short term conquest.
No one is perfect. Not Juggler, Mystery, David D, Pook, Tyler, Gunwitch...none of those guys. But I know the stuff they teach works because before I found these communities I was using alot of the same techniques and scoring with women who were single, had boyfriends, engaged etc. But like I said it doesnt guarantee a successful relationship. There so much more to it. If Robbie did take Lisa from Neil based on his looks and money then how long before she dumps him after that novelty wears off because there are plenty of men out there with even more money that are better looking that him.

 

[everywomanshero]

Lisa Leverridge

I don't know who she is dating, but this is one ugly chick.
Actually, she's not terrible, I'd probably say she's a 5-6.
She must be a lot of fun, I don't think Neil fell for her over
her looks that's for sure! Just google some images, I laughed
my ass off the first time I saw her. What a joke! One thing
I am certain of, Neil really does qualify on more than looks!

[Update: After looking at about 20 pics of her, in one that's
pretty dark and not too close up, she looks pretty good (8). If
Neil had initially met her in a fairly dark area, I can see where
he might have thought she was hot]

Mystery also sometimes exagerated the looks of his conquests.
While it's true many of them were something to brag about, just
take a look at his WTF videos and you'll see some prettty average
faces.

Gunwitches theories on appearance would claim that each man sees chicks
as different, but I haven't really found this to be true. When I go out with friends
to club the chicks they point out as hotties are always the same ones I think are
hotties, this even crosses racial and nation of origin boundries in our group.

 

[Hawke]

Why's that?

 

[AudiTy]

The book ends like your typical Hollywood bullsh*t romantic comedy, he deletes every girls number from his phone, tells Lisa he loves her and that he wants to spend the rest of his life with her or something along those lines.

This part I agree with...Strauss comes down with oneitis...and I wonder if he would have published his book had it "ended" otherwise.

Not everyone WANTS to stay in the PUA society.
Yes, for some people it becomes a lifestyle, and
they become so involved that it becomes their
world, and all they know. But you must realise
that the objective is not always to continue to
fúck as many girls as possible, it can be to find
a truly special girl.

I wouldn't doubt Strauss's judgement, he knows
what he wants from a girl and when it came along
he took it and he was happy. So yeah, not
everyone is in the game for the same reasons.

-AudiTy =o

 

[Luke Skywalker]

He's a conniving weasel...as portrayed through Strauss' Game.

Yeah, and his influence has helped me look just like one. I told my date to close her eyes to try to kiss close her listening to that guy. Now I feel like a dweeb.

But he cracks me up. Me puts the humour into sarging. I like the idea he picks up's girls, and then goes back sarging with his dates, and turns them into pivots rather than attempting to k-close or f-close them. I dont know why I get a picture of him like Vanilla Ice or some wacko, but he cracks me up.

I like the part when he suprirse k-closes a cashier and his report, it is just funny. I posted it here already, then the girl is like FREAKING THE HECK OUT, after he told her to close her eyes and kiss her. This guy will make me into a retard if I listen to him. Telling a cashier to close her eyes and kiss her.

 

[EFFORT]

Wow a lot of haters on here. A lot of you guys are talking with big chips on your shoulder like these guys personally did something to you. There information, bootcamps, products, etc are helping a lot of guys.

If your game is where you want it to be then i'm happy for you, but theres no need to come on here and shoot these guys down. A lot of people here could really benefit(and probably already have without even knowing it) from there teachings.

Then again this is sosuave.com and a lot of people here seem to have a strong disliking of anything pickup culture related so i'll most likely be flamed or ignored.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Wow a lot of haters on here. A lot of you guys are talking with big chips on your shoulder like these guys personally did something to you. There information, bootcamps, products, etc are helping a lot of guys.

If your game is where you want it to be then i'm happy for you, but theres no need to come on here and shoot these guys down. A lot of people here could really benefit(and probably already have without even knowing it) from there teachings.

Then again this is sosuave.com and a lot of people here seem to have a strong disliking of anything pickup culture related so i'll most likely be flamed or ignored.

So, what do YOU think about the book?

 

[pooparu]

Wow a lot of haters on here. A lot of you guys are talking with big chips on your shoulder like these guys personally did something to you. There information, bootcamps, products, etc are helping a lot of guys.

If your game is where you want it to be then i'm happy for you, but theres no need to come on here and shoot these guys down. A lot of people here could really benefit(and probably already have without even knowing it) from there teachings.

Then again this is sosuave.com and a lot of people here seem to have a strong disliking of anything pickup culture related so i'll most likely be flamed or ignored.

Well **** that, I'm not gonna blame them, but being a real man and having your life handled ISN'T just about learning techniques.

Then again I guess they didn't advertise getting your whole life handled, just the part about women, so yea using just techniques and **** might get you laid alot, but the rest of your life won't be fixed lol.

 

[SeldomSeen]

Re:

I have nothing against pickup culture but to me charging a guy $1700 to take him to the club and teach him how to interact with women is a bit pricey. Like I said I know a guy that took one of Mysterys classes and he said it was well worth it for him.
In the future as a side income I plan on running workshops for guys but I wont even charge a third of that. To me its not about picking up women, how many numbers you got or even scoring with the hottest girl at the club. Its about being a complete man and being good with women to where women desire you for more than just a night of pleasure. There are guys that can pick up women but fail miserably in relationships. Their insecurities come out and the self doubt eats at them.

I thought the book was great though. Very entertaining. Im sure a bit of it might have been overblown for entertainment value just like 'GoodFellas' was based on a true story but had some exxagerrated moments thrown in. Styles pretty cool, Ive talked him a few times on MySpace. He seems rather humble.