Analysis of "The Game" book by Neil Strauss

[Luke Skywalker]

In order to try and make the most out of reading this book, I'm starting this thread here to share thoughts about this book, that I'm assuming everyone here that's serious should get their hands on to get background of the styles of various pick-up gurus, and learn various game concepts.

So far, I'm up to the 180 page, and true to most reviews, this book is entertaining. I tend to like David Delango's style, and Mystery Method also seems somewhat cool with group dynamics. I have difficulty connecting to Ross Jerffries' NLP concepts and patterning, sounds like lots of hocus-pocus.

Mystery Method - you need to get IOI's from any girl you are approaching - seems to contradict the direct approach, where you walk up to a girl and introduce yourself. Perhaps, direct approaches work up to the hb7, then you need more game.

In a nutshell - his method has broadened my mind to focus away from the target, and look for pawns, he has converted the c0ckblocker to an instrument to get to the target, while neg-raping the target. This sticks with me, and now approaching c0ckblockers is now even as important as approaching targets themselves. I'm not sure if the ESP stuff and magic tricks is going to jive with me though, sounds too airy-fairy.

Juggler -- lead the girl to ask you question based on making open-ended statments --- this is a new load of think I'll have to figure out.

David DeAnelgo's ****y and funny and Zan's version - just assume slight interest - ie a stare or a glance - means something, assume her interest and emphasise it. Like, make her bump into you, and complain she grabbed your butt out loud or touched you or something. Or, as I'm brainstorming, go up to a girl, I noticed you stared at me over there - or some crap like that.

Anyway, just my thoughts for now on this book.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Psssttt.... He eventually looses the girl......

 

[pooparu]

Psssttt.... He eventually looses the girl......

No.....

IIRC he gets her or something.

Anyway, don't use all the techniques and ****, focus more on some of the more subtle things like WHY things work, watch his personality progress and watch as he ultimately realize what is wrong with all the guys who use the techniques and stuff, you will come to find that the conclusion is shockingly similar to what we all agree with, techniques won't get you everywhere. This book might do you some good man, then hop on limewire and download DYD attraction isn't a choice if you still aren't ready to go out there.

 

[Centaurion]

No.....

IIRC he gets her or something.

Yes, they shack up at the end of the book.

BUT IIRC she dumped him for Robbie Williams a couple of days (weeks) ago.

 

[Centaurion]

And I swear to fvcking god Strauss stole one of my lines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before I had even heard about SS, DJs, pua whatever back in 2000, I would always say "Respect" followed by a cheeky ass grin (just as he describes it in the book) whenever a chick threw a sexual sh!t test at me.

IE, something like :

HB : "I give good head!"
Cent : "Respect"

 

[Phyzzle]

IE, something like :

HB : "I give good head!"
Cent : "Respect

Hah, this is called (African-American) slang. Which people use continuously in America.

"You got my respect, creamer!"

LOL!

 

[Centaurion]

Reread the book then.

 

[KoalaKing]

Why do you all want to use these techniques to allure gorgeous girls when you can develop a King type personality which will draw the majority of the hottest babes towards you and you don't have to do a thing, they will just swarm around you, this is so much easier.

 

[AngelusPUA]

Luke did you know these seduction artists you worship are basically frauds?

Style for example had his GF stolen by Robbie Williams, if he is such a great seduction artist he wouldn't have had his GF stolen.

Ross Jefferies and Mystery are two of the most insecure people I have ever heard of. Just by reading the book you see how insecure they are and mystery lives in this little fantasy world where he has to dress up in outrageous clothing to pickup women.

David DeAngelo is an obvious fake, he is a businessman with theories he is basically a smart KBJ. He tells you ugly men can get hot women then he goes to the other side and teaches ugly women how to get hot men. He is playing both sides and making a fortune I respect him more than any of these other tools.

Those two wacky NLP guys really on hypnosis to get laid, is there anything lower than a man who hypnotizes women into bed?

Don’t anybody try to tell me I am wrong either I have met some of the guys that were part of ‘Project Hollywood’ or whatever they called it and they all say that the majority of these gurus are fakes.

Nobody in their right mind would want to model themselves after any of these guys.

The book ends like your typical Hollywood bullsh*t romantic comedy, he deletes every girls number from his phone, tells Lisa he loves her and that he wants to spend the rest of his life with her or something along those lines.

Listen to what KoalKing said which is basically what I have been saying to you all along. Develop a good personality instead of learning canned lines and reading bullsh*t books.

 

[Luveno]

The only advice I ever followed from any of these seduction "experts" was that of Doc Love. He opened my previously AFC eyes up to the realization that it's ok to sleep with women before you befriend them, and to not think optimistically when a girl flakes out.

I always thought David DeAngelo's stuff, with his "testimonials", was garbage. How much tripe can one write about being interesting in conversation? He constantly repeats himself, and he sells an illusion of canned techniques.

The great thing about these guys is that they know that most Western men have been brainwashed to be footstools for females, and that these men wish they could change but don't have the balls to think outside the box, no pun intended. Sounds like the opportunity for a profit. Hell, sometimes I consider writing a seduction book but it would just be a rip-off.

The most important thing a guy can do to attract females is to live congruently. Have undying ambition to obtain power, but of course do not hurt strangers or the innocent in the process. To women, power is sexy.

In the world of women, good looks are power. The best looking girls can sail through life unfettered, while the average and ugly must work their asses off to get even a fraction of what the attractive girls get. Thus, when a guy is good looking, women subconciously assume he is more powerful.

Money is the greatest form of power a man can have. It gives the woman the right to brag to her friends about the rich guy she bagged. It instills a sense of security in the woman. However, money also invites many smiling devils, so one must be careful.

Success is not equal to money, but is only useful if ones field is impressive. Being the most successful vacuum cleaner salesman will not add to your value. Being the most successful prosecutor will. Most successful Counterstrike tournament master: no. Most successful biomechanical researcher: yes.

Confidence is probably the dealbreaker for most men. No matter how one looks, no matter how much he owns, or how good he is at what he does, if he doesn't portray the fact that he knows it and is proud of it, he is as good as dirt. Confidence is like an advertisement. Sulking and whining and being meek is like Pepsi putting a billboard in Times Square that says "This stuff will make you fat and give you diabetes! Drink up!".

 

[AngelusPUA]

And how does one develop this "King personality"?

A guy that is handsome and/or Sexy
Can't do much about being attractive, either you are or you're not. You can obviously work out to get a more muscular, toned body and eat right. Get a haircut that suits you, shave or grow a moustache you really need to experiment, ask some female friends if you look better with a goatee or with spikey hair instead of a shaved head, you get the idea.

A guy that knows how to dress
Shopping at chain stores is not your best bet, going for Versace is out of some people budgets but in every mall there is at least one store that has good cloths that are more expensive than those of chain stores. This is not always the best place to shop because in terms of getting into high class clubs these cloths won't cut it but if you’re on a budget and want to look good, go for it. What you think looks good on you often doesn’t, it’s a good idea to take a female shopping with you as she can help you pick out cloths that suit you or ask the guy/girl that works in the store. They might try to sell you the most expensive stuff but usually they are ok.

Wit
Wit is difficult to work on and it comes with experience, if you talk with witty people you will slowly start to pick it up. It is also a good idea to watch some comedians Eddie Murphy for example. I read a book called "comedy writing secrets" that really helped me cultivate my wit. Wit is very important; a smart man uses wit to dominate you (AMOG) so it is beneficial for you to be witty. You can read books and listen to comedians but still I say the best way to become Witty is by experience, you need to get out there and socialize. Women find wit irresistible……

Confidence
This is a hard one and it takes a long time to become totally confident, my first step would be to take a self defense class. If you can find one do a UFC course because if you get into a street fight you’re not going to use fancy karate moves it’s going to be hard and fast. When you know how to defend yourself you will feel a lot more confident in social situations. You also should go to the gym and try to get in shape (If you aren’t already). Not only does exercise raise confidence because of the obvious physical benefits but working out gives you a sense of accomplishment which sitting in front of a computer doesn’t, this sense of accomplishment translates into confidence. Wearing good cloths, learning how to speak virtually everything you do to benefit yourself will increase your confidence. Your friends also play a huge role in how confident you are, if you have friends that are constantly putting you down because they themselves aren’t confident then you need to cut them off. You need to have positive friend that appreciate you, not people that put you down, I read a study that stated ‘We begin to mirror the people we associate ourselves with’, so if you want to become confident stay away from non confident people.

Class
What can I say about class? It all got to do with your hobbies, what you wear, the people you associate yourself with, how you talk. Take a look at some of the classy guys throughout history real and fictional, James Bond, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra. Classy guys drink an $80 bottle of wine while normal guys drink a $10, classy guys wear classy cloths while normal wear t-shirts.

Charm
-Smile: If you don’t smile you’re not charming, simple
-Let people talk: You just listen and let people tell you about themselves, biggest mistake guys make on a date is to talk about themselves too much. Let the girl talk about everything and anything all you have to do is listen and obviously carry the conversation along.
-Compliment do not flatter: The difference between a compliment and flattery is that compliments have no hidden agenda, It’s just a genuine compliment and it doesn’t make the person feel uncomfortable. Do not compliment somebody unless you really mean it, women especially have a good radar for bullsh*t. Another dating mistake guys make is over complimenting, you come off as fake and desperate, give the girl one sincere compliment and don’t make a big deal of it.
-Selflessness: The secret to charm is to be selfless. You are not being charming because you want something in return; you are being charming because that’s who you are. Do not give compliments with the expectation of receiving a compliment in return; do not listen with the expectation of being listened to.
-Eye contact: Straight forward, make sure you don’t stare.
-Confidence: I know these so called Gurus say to use ****iness but I say use confidence it’s different to ****iness. ****iness means you have something to prove, confidence means you have nothing to prove because you already know everything you need to know.
-Genuine interest: You need to have a real interest in getting to know people, don’t ask questions not wanting to hear the answers you need to have a curiosity about the person.

Danger
Women like a man with an edge of danger, go sky diving, base jump, rock climb, bungee jump do something that makes you unique.

Mystery
-Don’t give her your daily itinerary: Basically don’t tell her what you are going to do all day tomorrow; your life is yours you don’t need to tell her everything.
-Be vague: There are times when you can be vague about yourself, for instance when a girl asks me what I do for work I tell her “that’s my business”. I don’t do it in a rude way I just say it normally, sometimes they will drop it sometimes they will try and guess but don’t give in.
-Don’t always answer her calls: You should lead a busy life so in reality you shouldn’t have time to answer her calls anyway. If she asks why you didn’t answer tell her “I was busy” and don’t elaborate, she doesn’t need to know everything you do.

 

[AngelusPUA]

ESPI the guys I know that were part of 'project Hollywood' hung out in a hotel room with mystery for weeks. I know more about him than most and he is insecure, I do not doubt their theories work I am saying they shouldn’t be idolized because they themselves are not fantastic with women. Do you actually believe that Mystery stood up to that bouncer? It is a book we don’t actually know what happened there.

David DeAngelo is a glorified KBJ he attended a few Ross Jefferies seminars and he gives out generic information that is mostly based on common sense. A lot of what he says is wrong but most of it is right, he also constantly repeats himself he turns what can be said in one page into 10 pages. He is a business man..........

These men for the most part are insecure, they are more experienced than most men and I am sure they get women. Modeling yourself after a crazy hypnotist (they themselves use that word to describe their techniques) or an insecure, suicidal magician is stupid. The post I made up there is what a man should be.

All I know is I know people that have hung out with mystery and style all tell me the same thing. They aren't at all what they make themselves out to be and the book 'The Game' might as well be classified as fiction. Those were the actual words of people who were friends with Mystery and Style. The book is like a movie that says 'based on a true story' they add all these extra scenes in to make it more exciting.

I didn't make my money exploiting people read my thread in the 'anything else' section.

ESPI that good personality remark was directed specifically at Luke I am telling him to stop using canned lines. I know just personality won’t cut it but I am saying to him instead of reading that ridiculous book he has develop a good personality.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Just a few comments and questions:

A guy that is handsome and/or Sexy

A guy that knows how to dress

I tried this site out with Payton Kane, http://www.seduceandconquer.com , possibly another 'fraud', I uploaded digital pics of myself to him, and him and his 'hollywood team' devised a new look for me that would be sharp and sexy.
They basically told me to get rid of my glasses, be clean shaven and moist, cut my hair, wear a white shirt and black pants, flat toe shoes, silver bracelet, swiss army watch, basic stuff like that. Or, any black shirt and black pants, or any light flashy shirt on black pants.

When I'm going to the gym or going for a walk, I tend to dress in 'slack' clothes that are just comfortable on me.

Wit
Wit is difficult to work on and it comes with experience, if you talk with witty people you will slowly start to pick it up. It is also a good idea to watch some comedians Eddie Murphy for example. I read a book called "comedy writing secrets" that really helped me cultivate my wit. Wit is very important; a smart man uses wit to dominate you (AMOG) so it is beneficial for you to be witty. You can read books and listen to comedians but still I say the best way to become Witty is by experience, you need to get out there and socialize. Women find wit irresistible……

Great tip, what do you think of the e-book http://www.makewomenlaugh.com , as a last resort I was thinking of getting that book listed on this site, it seems to claim to have a comprehensive strategy of wit and humour and just making girls laugh when you come in contact with them.

Confidence

You also should go to the gym and try to get in shape (If you aren’t already). Not only does exercise raise confidence because of the obvious physical benefits but working out gives you a sense of accomplishment which sitting in front of a computer doesn’t, this sense of accomplishment translates into confidence.

That's EXACTLY what I'm doing.

Wearing good cloths, learning how to speak virtually everything you do to benefit yourself will increase your confidence.

Learning to speak virtually everything I do? But doesn't that go against 'mystery', or you mean speak to myself about everything I do? Can you expound on this point.

Your friends also play a huge role in how confident you are, if you have friends that are constantly putting you down because they themselves aren’t confident then you need to cut them off. You need to have positive friend that appreciate you, not people that put you down, I read a study that stated ‘We begin to mirror the people we associate ourselves with’, so if you want to become confident stay away from non confident people.

Well, my parents are the only ones in my life of strong influence. The only way to get away from them is to move away. They dont seem to be toxic.

Class
What can I say about class? It all got to do with your hobbies,

What type of hobbies?

how you talk.

Tone of voice or accent? Tone of voice should be enthusiastic from what I heard - or the right tone of voice demonstrates confidence.

Take a look at some of the classy guys throughout history real and fictional, James Bond, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra.

Ok, so read up on them, or look at them. I've viewed James Bond movies, still same person afterwards though.

Classy guys drink an $80 bottle of wine while normal guys drink a $10, classy guys wear classy cloths while normal wear t-shirts.

So you have to be rich enough to blow money like crazy in order to be classy? Do you have to fulfill ALL these points to be classy or some of them?
But, sure, being cheap is not associated with classy - but spending lots of money in front of a woman looks like 'supplication' and sounds AFCish.

Charm
-Smile: If you don’t smile you’re not charming, simple

The bad boy smile of course. Have to have an effective smile, not any phoney salesman half-smile. Would you like to expand further?

-Let people talk: You just listen and let people tell you about themselves, biggest mistake guys make on a date is to talk about themselves too much. Let the girl talk about everything and anything all you have to do is listen and obviously carry the conversation along.

Tried it, failed. Women also want to know about you too, and they feel they are wasting their time if you keep yourself a total mystery all the time. I've heard saying nothing about yourself is almost demonstrating no value.

-Compliment do not flatter: The difference between a compliment and flattery is that compliments have no hidden agenda, It’s just a genuine compliment and it doesn’t make the person feel uncomfortable. Do not compliment somebody unless you really mean it, women especially have a good radar for bullsh*t. Another dating mistake guys make is over complimenting, you come off as fake and desperate, give the girl one sincere compliment and don’t make a big deal of it.

Not used to complimenting in general, but tried it a few times, feels good when I play with it. Compliments are often used for openers - what do you think of that?

-Selflessness: The secret to charm is to be selfless. You are not being charming because you want something in return; you are being charming because that’s who you are.
Do not give compliments with the expectation of receiving a compliment in return; do not listen with the expectation of being listened to.

That makes sence. It's like you are sowing seeds. Some seeds grow, some dont. If you dont plant, nothing grows.

-Eye contact: Straight forward, make sure you don’t stare.

How do you know if you are staring or not?

-Confidence: I know these so called Gurus say to use ****iness but I say use confidence it’s different to ****iness. ****iness means you have something to prove, confidence means you have nothing to prove because you already know everything you need to know.

You listed confidence before, so I will assume the points below that category would apply here. What about ****y/funny - or misconstruing the motive of any girl as interest - the David deangelo stuff, is that confidence/****y - how would you define it.

-Genuine interest: You need to have a real interest in getting to know people, don’t ask questions not wanting to hear the answers you need to have a curiosity about the person.

Suppose this comes by practise just talking to people, or getting comfortable talking with people.

Danger
Women like a man with an edge of danger, go sky diving, base jump, rock climb, bungee jump do something that makes you unique.

Risking your life to develop a personality trait? I'm sure there are people on here who haven't done those things, but still got laid. Have you done any of these things yourself?

Mystery
-Don’t give her your daily itinerary: Basically don’t tell her what you are going to do all day tomorrow; your life is yours you don’t need to tell her everything.

How do I say that - just rudly say, none of your business?

-Be vague: There are times when you can be vague about yourself, for instance when a girl asks me what I do for work I tell her “that’s my business”. I don’t do it in a rude way I just say it normally, sometimes they will drop it sometimes they will try and guess but don’t give in.

Got it - just say, that's my business with a smile, or on the phone.
Would it work on the phone or MSN too? People understand this?


Great tips, if I appear to sound critical, then I'm just trying to process and apply everything you are saying to my level of doing things. I have a few questions that I have asked you for clarification, not to heckle any point, but I'm just uncertain on application. Again, this is cool advice.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

ESPI that good personality remark was directed specifically at Luke I am telling him to stop using canned lines. I know just personality won’t cut it but I am saying to him instead of reading that ridiculous book he has develop a good personality.

And you develop a good personality by wit and charm.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

No.....

IIRC he gets her or something.....

Dude, get your facts straight. Lisa dumped Neil months ago for Robbie Williams.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Well, perhaps these PUA's are great at doing just that, picking up women, exciting them sexually, pressing the right triggers to get them turned on or wanting them -- but that's still not relationship's skills, or 'finding the right person in life'.

There are couples out there, where the guy is not a PUA, maybe even an AFC that has found the right person and they are married happily every after without any nonsence. So in the final analysis, becoming a PUA or DJ is not a guarantee to finding the right person - the perfect match.

What you have is an initial challenge motivated by frustration, once you pass the threshold and the challenge is dissipiated, then what - you still want to connect with someone, and want that connection to stick for life at the end of the day.

It reminds me of Revenge of the Sith, Star Wars III, when Anakin Skywalker turned to the dark side to try and rescue Padme and ended up killing her so doing. You can learn all the skills or seductions and yet still fail to meet the right person - or the person that really means something, all the tricks in the book dont work, then what? So, it's a funny thing about the book.

But, the frustrations and challenges are both very real to me, which is why I'm still interested in all this stuff for now.

 

[AngelusPUA]

Luke I would like nothing more than to answer all those questions but that Spanish girl I'm staying with is well let’s just say she is distracting me.

I'll answer them tomorrow

Just a quick not though danger isn’t a must I mean you don’t have to bungee jump to get laid personally I love sky diving and things leek that and girls love that I love it. I am definitely not say it’s a must and also I’m not saying to spend a lot of money in front of her I’m saying women like classy guys.

Classy guys know how to dress and know what a good wine is........ I will elaborate tomorrow my hands are full right now.

 

[AngelusPUA]

Dude, get your facts straight. Lisa dumped Neil months ago for Robbie Williams.

Who can blame her though I am straight and I would fu*k Robbie Williams well that’s going a bit too far but I rather hang out with Robbie for a week than hang out with Jessica Alba for a week.

Anyway goodnight people and Luke I’ll answer your barge of questions tomorrow.

Just a tip to you Luke don't talk Star wars on a date and send me your digital pics I can help you more with your look than those guys on that website.

 

[Permission]

Dude, get your facts straight. Lisa dumped Neil months ago for Robbie Williams.

No she didn't. That was only reported on a British tabloid. A few months later it was confirmed that all those rumours were false, Neil was with Lisa at a PUA convention in California. Even a dorky looking scrawny short bald guy like Neil Strauss beat Robbie Williams with superior game.

 

[Distant Light]

Well you are right that there are some frauds but there are others who surely aren't frauds.

Now you maybe running around hollering "fakes" but it really doesn't matter because I use the sh!t that I've learnt and it works, other people have used it and it works. I wouldn't know why mystery would have his own private forums if all his material was false. This is like telling me a plane can't fly when there are people are are able to fly a plane. Its exactly like this situation because your saying its a fraud when I'm using what you call a fraud and its working. I do agree though that some of the seduction sites are fraud. (You know who you are) Some workshops that I do know aren't frauds are:

Theapproach
Mystery Method
RSD
Underground dating seminar

reason I only pick those is because those are the only guys I've really learnt from. (most of the stuff) Other stuff I've learnt are from other people who aren't part of a workshop or anything like that. If you were to go out and watch naturals you will see that they use C&F, alot of people don't purposely do what we do. (Social proof, Screeing, etc)

I'm curious since you've known people from Project hollywood, who are the so called frauds?