An outsider's observations of a PUA Bootcamp.

[Hamurabimbi]

It is not even about the sex or getting laid man, it's just that people in that city really suck. I mean I cannot even be happy having to be around that many awful people. There is a uniquely toxic psychopathic vibe to San Fran.

100%. And sadly, I’m here.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Ahh yes the LITERAL shyte show.

similar to the homeless problem there.

 

[Gamisch]

I think the pua events ect are a necessity for some men. I know too many men who are in their 30,s and are unable to chat up a woman. Men grow up believing that if you finish college and get a job, a female angle will fall outta heaven into your arms and love you ever after. Then they'll get cheated on , go on a dry spell of years and lose all confidence.

I grew up in a culture where getting girls was just a thing we did. 20 rejections = 2 numbers ,on a daily base. Phone filled with numbers ,always dating and fvkkng some girl. Go to the mall, other schools ect to do exactly what pua dudes are doing now. That's the biggest issue imo. Some things you gotta learn before you are 20. But STILL, its manly af to go and leanr a skill , try to determine your own faith in life. It's like learning how to box. You're better off learning this at a young age but it's not bad learning this when you get older, you just ne less smooth with it.

Still i respect these guys somewhere ,as they realize day/night game is something a man needs to be capable of doing. Like hanging a foocking lamp, man up and learn ho to do it.

Later problems will arise tough, as you approach like a player but are still blue pilled af and it won't take long before such a man runs into a woman who will tear him and his new believes apart. That's when men go black.pill lol.

 

[BadWatermelon]

Something cold approaching does is that it violates the unwritten rules of sexual zones.

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One aspect that these largely millennial writers themselves seem oblivious to is the complexities of sexual zones that shift constantly for guys. In 2016 hooking up is easy, we’ve got Red Pill awareness and we have instantaneous communication, but what we don’t have are clearly defined sexual zones. Put a guy whose social intelligence is sub par into the wrong zone and it’s understandable that he has better things to occupy himself with that he ‘enjoys’.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

i thought all this “daygame” and “cold approach” was getting tooled up and walking around shopping centres stopping women in the street as they are heading around their duties?

If you put it like that then obviously it makes PUA and all of it come off as bad but let's reevaluate what you said. Just because she is "heading" somewhere does not mean she is really busy or really even heading somewhere. You look for social cues. If she is walking fast, you leave her alone. If she is intent and pissed, you leave her alone. If she is sitting around or just walking slowly looking around, then you go in.

Again, just wandering through life randomly and hoping you run into the right woman in the perfect situation is leaving things to fate and out of your hands.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Since we are talking about San Francisco, and I might dedicate a thread to it, I think it really comes down to the demographics that make it suck. You have a few types of people in San Francisco that make it a god awful city for game.

1. Hyper left wing feminazi white women who think that all men should be their servants.

2. A huge number of Asians trying to fit in with white culture and parrot whatever liberal whites say and do.

3. Frustrated white men who try to overcompensate for the lack of sex they are getting with attractive women by being even more rude and intolerable.

4. Black Americans who act more entitled and confrontational than Black Americans elsewhere because liberal Californians pander to their demographic like crazy.

5. Wannabe gangsta Latinos that hardcore follow anything black culture says or does, different from So Cal Latinos who are way more prideful.

All of this leads to not just an unpleasant dating environment where it is tough to meet decent women but breeding grounds for some of the worst people the country has. What bothers me is not that San Francisco is an awful city for dating and meeting women, it is the fact that its awful people that are bred there often inhabit other states and ruin them too, further infecting the vibe and ruining it. It cannot be overstated how much Bay Area girls suck. The entitlement, ugliness, radical feminism, clout chasing, and psychopathic behavior they have is arguably some of the worst in the nation.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Something cold approaching does is that it violates the unwritten rules of sexual zones.

Sexual Zoning | The Rational Male

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Holy hell Rollo is turgid af

 

[Gamisch]

Something cold approaching does is that it violates the unwritten rules of sexual zones.

Sexual Zoning | The Rational Male

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Yeah some of my friends arguably gave up on women it seems. Like the "victim guy" in this article mentions, he is content without women in his life. Or go on a app and just wait and wait and wait .Where are the men in his life to call hi out on this bs?? That's why I can respect cold approach ect.

I believe flirting is a feminine skill, but one a man must learn to achieve succes. Women will flirt when the sexual zone rule applies. You can mildly flirt in a professional environment and build report. Then take it to the sexual zone as a nar and finish it. Dudes are hiding behind these non sexual curtains and then blame women .All the while they are fully aware these women do get their freak on in the weekend .

Victim dude is 18 in the article, fast forward he is 36 , gets a coAch and gets pushed in the back to approach women.

 

[SW15]

Norcal as compared with other west of the Mississippi cities is an utter and complete shyte show. When I leave this metro I utterly slay, come back here and its crickets unless I put serious effort in, just is. I'm on a mission here and cannot wait to get up, buckle up and shuffle to the door when this stage is done.

Almost all US cities that are west of the Mississippi River have more unfavorable ratios. The San Francisco Bay Area has bad ratios and worse than average social dynamics. That's the difference between the Bay Area and unfavorable ratio cities like Phoenix, Houston, or Dallas.

1. Hyper left wing feminazi white women who think that all men should be their servants.

I am a white male who has mainly dealt with white females. Metro areas of 1,000,000+ have this female element plentiful. You might even be able to drop that population number to 500,000 to see when it starts. In Dallas, there are plenty of the SJW-careerist-feminist types. Dallas isn't a city with a reputation for that type unlike Washington DC or San Francisco either.

All of this leads to not just an unpleasant dating environment where it is tough to meet decent women but breeding grounds for some of the worst people the country has. What bothers me is not that San Francisco is an awful city for dating and meeting women, it is the fact that its awful people that are bred there often inhabit other states and ruin them too, further infecting the vibe and ruining it. It cannot be overstated how much Bay Area girls suck. The entitlement, ugliness, radical feminism, clout chasing, and psychopathic behavior they have is arguably some of the worst in the nation.

While you will notice all the bad things about San Francisco area women in other large US cities, the attitudes more prevalent and dialed up to a larger degree in San Francisco. San Francisco, Seattle, Portland (Oregon), and Washington DC are the worst overall environments in the USA.

Austin, TX has become San Francisco South. It's not a coincidence that feminist dating Bumble is headquarted there. It's also not a coincidence that The Match Group (Match, Tinder, Hinge, OkCupid, PlentyofFish) is headquartered in Dallas. Austin and Dallas are the two worst mating markets in Texas. Austin is worse than Dallas because the SJW-feminist element is dialed up more there than in Dallas, whereas the prevailing white female attitude in Dallas is pretentiousness.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I have to say @SW15 you have really changed my view on Dallas a great deal. Here I was thinking the city was the center of Republican excellence and Austin's Conservative cousin but man have I been wrong. Even in my recent experiences, I notice Dallas has a ton of left wing Indians and Mexicans. Even the whites from there at best are RINOs politically. My image of Dallas has been shattered from what I grew up watching.

 

[Smok1nAce]

Typical San Francisco, good lord I have not been to a much worse city in North America outside of Toronto. I have never been to a city where the women were so downright hideous looking but had the most toxic and entitled personalities ever. It has gotten worse and these women are a unique class of man-hating feminists who try to actively ruin successful and smooth guys with a good sex life. I have dealt with enough San Fran transplants to know that these people are truly some of the worst that humanity has to offer, I bail as soon as someone tells me that they moved from there.

Guys are all try-hards trying to prove how alpha they are, yeah bro lemme tell you about my two black belts and decade of MMA sparring as I work for your typical woke tech company. Always instigating and starting trouble and always coming off as annoying try hards. Meanwhile, the women are all extreme narcissists who you can tell have an inferiority complex over being from the uglier half of California. These parasites move elsewhere and just ruin those cities.

I’ve meet several women from California and their vibe is always refreshing then I meet a women who was harsh to be around and as exactly as you describe, guess where she was from… San Francisco.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I’ve been to Miami several times and I’ve never seen anything pua happen. Are they doing this stuff on ocean dr? I tend to avoid that area lol

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I’ve meet several women from California and their vibe is always refreshing then I meet a women who was harsh to be around and as exactly as you describe, guess where she was from… San Francisco.

So Cal girls are tolerable and can occasionally be fun despite it being a tough environment. As for San Fran women, they deserve a post of their own at this point. I only care because they are flooding into every major city en masse and they ruin the vibe once you get enough of them.

I’ve been to Miami several times and I’ve never seen anything pua happen. Are they doing this stuff on ocean dr? I tend to avoid that area lol

Oh it is big down here. Lincoln Rd is one place they love taking their students too and then Brickell as well.

 

[RangerMIke]

Back about 7 years ago I ran into a PUA group at a Marti Gras parade in NOLA. They had these guys out there hitting on chicks and they had a couple of video camera crews recording all this from a distance. I was at this parade with my two kids who were 12 at the time. There was this group of college girls from Tulane that these guy were harassing. It got so bad I approached them and told them to leave these chicks alone because they were clearly not interested.

One guy called me a 'white knight mangina'... I thought that was funny... me! Anyway we had this little altercation, nothing serious really I just wanted these fvckers to go someplace else because they were just aggravating as fvck. Afterwards, this guy came up to me and asked me to sign some release form I guess because they wanted to put this online... naturally I refused... I have wondered since then if my face was blurred out on some website someplace.

Anyway... I think what was going on was these 'coaches' were trying to teach guys how to approach without fear. I don't have a problem with that, I think it's important men do this. But they NEED to teach these guy emotional intelligence first... if you are getting any push back you just have to let that go. I would also recommend that coaches teach these guys not to try and do any of this when they have been drinking. Hitting on chicks when you are drunk significantly reduces your chance of success.

The other mistakes I saw was how they approach a group of women... they would walk right up to a group and focus on ONE CHICK in a effort to separate her from her friends.... LOL!!! This NEVER works unless all the chicks are sh1t faced. You approach the group as a group, you do not talk to any one chick when you first start out... they you use the emotional intelligence God gave you to figure out which one is interested in you, then you have something to work with.

More advice from a New Orleans local for dudes coming in to pick up chicks at Marti Gras. YES, there are women here/then that are open to getting picked up. However, most of the parades will come down St. Charles Ave... there is a unwritten rule that crazy @ss behavior is only tolerated past Washington Ave. From Washington Ave uptown towards Carrolton is for FAMILIES... If you want to be crazy stupid... GREAT that is what Marti Gras is for, but do it from Washington Ave downtown towards the French Quarter. Expect locals to set you straight and have cops in your sh1t if you do this Uptown. If you are going to hit on chicks, do it in the Warehouse District or French Quarter, not only are these locations appropriate, but also socially acceptable.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Back about 7 years ago I ran into a PUA group at a Marti Gras parade in NOLA. They had these guys out there hitting on chicks and they had a couple of video camera crews recording all this from a distance. I was at this parade with my two kids who were 12 at the time. There was this group of college girls from Tulane that these guy were harassing. It got so bad I approached them and told them to leave these chicks alone because they were clearly not interested.

One guy called me a 'white knight mangina'... I thought that was funny... me! Anyway we had this little altercation, nothing serious really I just wanted these fvckers to go someplace else because they were just aggravating as fvck. Afterwards, this guy came up to me and asked me to sign some release form I guess because they wanted to put this online... naturally I refused... I have wondered since then if my face was blurred out on some website someplace.

Anyway... I think what was going on was these 'coaches' were trying to teach guys how to approach without fear. I don't have a problem with that, I think it's important men do this. But they NEED to teach these guy emotional intelligence first... if you are getting any push back you just have to let that go. I would also recommend that coaches teach these guys not to try and do any of this when they have been drinking. Hitting on chicks when you are drunk significantly reduces your chance of success.

The other mistakes I saw was how they approach a group of women... they would walk right up to a group and focus on ONE CHICK in a effort to separate her from her friends.... LOL!!! This NEVER works unless all the chicks are sh1t faced. You approach the group as a group, you do not talk to any one chick when you first start out... they you use the emotional intelligence God gave you to figure out which one is interested in you, then you have something to work with.

More advice from a New Orleans local for dudes coming in to pick up chicks at Marti Gras. YES, there are women here/then that are open to getting picked up. However, most of the parades will come down St. Charles Ave... there is a unwritten rule that crazy @ss behavior is only tolerated past Washington Ave. From Washington Ave uptown towards Carrolton is for FAMILIES... If you want to be crazy stupid... GREAT that is what Marti Gras is for, but do it from Washington Ave downtown towards the French Quarter. Expect locals to set you straight and have cops in your sh1t if you do this Uptown. If you are going to hit on chicks, do it in the Warehouse District or French Quarter, not only are these locations appropriate, but also socially acceptable.

Went to New Orleans last year, specifically Bourbon St but also Frenchman and other places. No offense to you at all my friend but I cannot see NOLA being good for pulling if you want any quality. Bourbon was just the most ratchet place I have ever been to and this coming from someone who is originally from Atlanta. I still cannot get the smells of Bourbon St out of my head. As for demographics, you could see one or two white girls in a sea of black faces lol.

 

[RangerMIke]

Went to New Orleans last year, specifically Bourbon St but also Frenchman and other places. No offense to you at all my friend but I cannot see NOLA being good for pulling if you want any quality. Bourbon was just the most ratchet place I have ever been to and this coming from someone who is originally from Atlanta. I still cannot get the smells of Bourbon St out of my head. As for demographics, you could see one or two white girls in a sea of black faces lol.

Bourbon Street is a sh1t show. The only time I go there is when I have out of town people that want to go there. Locals don’t go there. Frenchman used to be cool but all the good places shut down with Covid and never came back. Oak Street is better, there are some places on Magazine Street that are good.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Bourbon Street is a sh1t show. The only time I go there is when I have out of town people that want to go there. Locals don’t go there. Frenchman used to be cool but all the good places shut down with Covid and never came back. Oak Street is better, there are some places on Magazine Street that are good.

I have to note this down the next time I visit NOLA man. Swear, I went to Bourbon and the bars were super ratchet, it's like WTF. Frenchman was okay but it was all couples so not much going there. I do wonder how the nightgame works in NOLA if a guy wants to pull some decent looking women though. Really feel like I messed up and made nothing of my trip there.

 

[eli77]

Day game is highly over rated!

 

[nicksaiz65]

Day game is highly over rated!

What makes you say that? I would argue it’s underrated.