An outsider's observations of a PUA Bootcamp.

[Jesse Pinkman]

In the past couple of months, I have been going out more whether it is to nightgame or do some daygame. Well, it just so happens that some of the popular spots I go to are also where PUAs run their bootcamps. I started to notice that the same group of guys kept approaching as a couple of guys were giving them pointers, likely when they approached, and over the weeks I made some observations. Now there is no doubt more to this so I will admit that there is stuff I do not know but this is just what I have seen. I won't be mentioning any specific PUA here either.

I'll give some credit here, these students are better dressed than I expected but they seem to have the same look.

Most of these students seem to wear all black but I will give credit and say that they are at least putting in the effort on their look. It's not like the bootcamps I've heard of where some fat gamer with Cheeto crumbs on his hands tries to spam approach. The coaches are legitimately investing the time in their students to have them work on their appearance and I applaud that. Some of these students also show progress to where I will see them talking to a girl for a while so this is clearly a sign that they are transitioning out from awkwardness to getting results.

The students lack serious social awareness and the coaches never tell them to fix this.

I was walking by doing daygame and notice a guy literally jump right front of a guy and say "hey hey hey excuse me excuse me excuse me" in a way that others noticed. The girl got freaked out and almost ran away. Now the same day, I see a guy at a crosswalk nodding and dancing as he tried to high five a hot blonde that ignored him. A group of like six black people laughed loudly because they found it so hilarious. If this was a one-time thing then great but over the period of weeks, I kept noticing things just like that.

The same students would press after a rejection or speak loudly in a quiet place. It got so bad to where others noticed and it attracted a lot of attention.

The students seem to give off the "on a mission vibe" which ironically ruins their odds.

You see them at a bar, these guys look like soldiers going to war. They are not social with anyone and are often doing a lot of spam approaches. No good vibe to them or anything, they just seem intense for the situation where others are having a good time. I notice this because a few times, I am about to approach a girl I see from a distance and these guys approach, getting blown out fast. I approach the same girl and a couple of times, she has described the same students as "creepy guys" because it seemed like they were on drugs. At one point, I kept running into a student and smiled and nodded at him, the dude gave off the vibe of someone who had just killed somebody and knew he was about to get in trouble.

It seems like coaches are employing wingwomen to work with students.

Perhaps she is a hired gun or a girl that the coach himself hit it off well with but I have noticed this as well. It seems like there is a girl or two out on the nightgame approaches winging the students. I actually approached one of the girls and asked her how its like being a wingwoman because I was kind of drunk, she responded with "uh I don't know what ur talking about". Maybe I am just catching stuff and cannot truly validate it but this is an outsider's observation to it all.

While I have seen the students get some form of results, the results are nothing to actually brag about.

I have seen one student in the entire bootcamp makeout with a girl who was a short and fat Asian girl. Outside of that, I have not seen any student have anything more than a long conversation. Now, I could be off here and these students might as well be getting daygame numbers or hooking up when I am not at the bar. It's just that whenever I have seen these guys talk to girls, these girls were hideous. Like I would not want to be seen with some of these warpigs.

So far these are just some of my observations. These guys seem to game at some of the same places I have been (and will be taking a break from in coming weeks due to some personal stuff that has come up) and I keep noticing them over and over again. At times I have had the urge to tell them "dude, stop making it so loud and obvious" but I stay back.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You have any plates you can bring to f%ck with them?

It seems like a simple exercise these guys could do to help them would be to walk from point A to point B in a crowded area without bumping into anyone. So they can learn to make adjustments on the fly, observe surroundings, make future projections of multiple variables, etc.

 

[forcerecon01]

In the past couple of months, I have been going out more whether it is to nightgame or do some daygame. Well, it just so happens that some of the popular spots I go to are also where PUAs run their bootcamps. I started to notice that the same group of guys kept approaching as a couple of guys were giving them pointers, likely when they approached, and over the weeks I made some observations. Now there is no doubt more to this so I will admit that there is stuff I do not know but this is just what I have seen. I won't be mentioning any specific PUA here either.

I'll give some credit here, these students are better dressed than I expected but they seem to have the same look.

Most of these students seem to wear all black but I will give credit and say that they are at least putting in the effort on their look. It's not like the bootcamps I've heard of where some fat gamer with Cheeto crumbs on his hands tries to spam approach. The coaches are legitimately investing the time in their students to have them work on their appearance and I applaud that. Some of these students also show progress to where I will see them talking to a girl for a while so this is clearly a sign that they are transitioning out from awkwardness to getting results.

The students lack serious social awareness and the coaches never tell them to fix this.

I was walking by doing daygame and notice a guy literally jump right front of a guy and say "hey hey hey excuse me excuse me excuse me" in a way that others noticed. The girl got freaked out and almost ran away. Now the same day, I see a guy at a crosswalk nodding and dancing as he tried to high five a hot blonde that ignored him. A group of like six black people laughed loudly because they found it so hilarious. If this was a one-time thing then great but over the period of weeks, I kept noticing things just like that.

The same students would press after a rejection or speak loudly in a quiet place. It got so bad to where others noticed and it attracted a lot of attention.

The students seem to give off the "on a mission vibe" which ironically ruins their odds.

You see them at a bar, these guys look like soldiers going to war. They are not social with anyone and are often doing a lot of spam approaches. No good vibe to them or anything, they just seem intense for the situation where others are having a good time. I notice this because a few times, I am about to approach a girl I see from a distance and these guys approach, getting blown out fast. I approach the same girl and a couple of times, she has described the same students as "creepy guys" because it seemed like they were on drugs. At one point, I kept running into a student and smiled and nodded at him, the dude gave off the vibe of someone who had just killed somebody and knew he was about to get in trouble.

It seems like coaches are employing wingwomen to work with students.

Perhaps she is a hired gun or a girl that the coach himself hit it off well with but I have noticed this as well. It seems like there is a girl or two out on the nightgame approaches winging the students. I actually approached one of the girls and asked her how its like being a wingwoman because I was kind of drunk, she responded with "uh I don't know what ur talking about". Maybe I am just catching stuff and cannot truly validate it but this is an outsider's observation to it all.

While I have seen the students get some form of results, the results are nothing to actually brag about.

I have seen one student in the entire bootcamp makeout with a girl who was a short and fat Asian girl. Outside of that, I have not seen any student have anything more than a long conversation. Now, I could be off here and these students might as well be getting daygame numbers or hooking up when I am not at the bar. It's just that whenever I have seen these guys talk to girls, these girls were hideous. Like I would not want to be seen with some of these warpigs.

So far these are just some of my observations. These guys seem to game at some of the same places I have been (and will be taking a break from in coming weeks due to some personal stuff that has come up) and I keep noticing them over and over again. At times I have had the urge to tell them "dude, stop making it so loud and obvious" but I stay back.

glad to see PUA is alive and well.

 

[Fruitbat]

I’m highly dubious that walking around speaking to random women is a good way to invest time.

Generally people approaching you in public, the thought is “they want something” or “they are most likely crazy”

get a group of friends. Drink in the park, near some girls (if you’re young). Go and talk.

If you’re older, join some groups. Friend one you like, this is totally against the principles, but just message her saying would you like to meet?

its not hard.

Walking round like a sex offender propositioning women….if you’re totally buff and great at charisma, maybe.

I’ve met women on bus stops who I layer banged, but there has to be a carefree reason you’re there.

i once had a smile from a hot girl on a bus who clearly liked me. I took the same bus about 10 times and saw her and made the approach. She obviously didn’t know I was semi stalking her lol.

There are social rules to life and it seems many men don’t get it. I would wager most of them work in IT in some way LOL

i know some good dudes on here in IT, so no offence bros but there’s a real IT vibe from dudes who don’t know how to interact with women LOL

 

[Murk]

i know some good dudes on here in IT, so no offence bros but there’s a real IT vibe from dudes who don’t know how to interact with women LOL

It takes a certain kind of someone to come to a forum and start posting. None of the chads I know irl would do this, I’m sure some do, but this forum in of itself isn’t an alpha place to be. We are all thinking too much.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I’m highly dubious that walking around speaking to random women is a good way to invest time.

Generally people approaching you in public, the thought is “they want something” or “they are most likely crazy”

get a group of friends. Drink in the park, near some girls (if you’re young). Go and talk.

If you’re older, join some groups. Friend one you like, this is totally against the principles, but just message her saying would you like to meet?

its not hard.

Walking round like a sex offender propositioning women….if you’re totally buff and great at charisma, maybe.

I’ve met women on bus stops who I layer banged, but there has to be a carefree reason you’re there.

i once had a smile from a hot girl on a bus who clearly liked me. I took the same bus about 10 times and saw her and made the approach. She obviously didn’t know I was semi stalking her lol.

There are social rules to life and it seems many men don’t get it. I would wager most of them work in IT in some way LOL

i know some good dudes on here in IT, so no offence bros but there’s a real IT vibe from dudes who don’t know how to interact with women LOL

While I do entirely get the hate behind daygame due to buffoons like Sasha (thank god that guy is gone) practically harassing women in public, I am actually a big fan of it and think your post advocates taking a passive approach to life. First of all, yes, let's acknowledge that daygame is kind of odd and when done wrong like some pickup artists have done, it comes off as strange, weird, and can even get you in legal trouble.

That being said, when done right, it is arguably one of the purest and best forms of game there is.

The whole joining groups stuff is nonsense. Most "groups" are full of horny guys trying to creep on the few women there and most of the women in them are already in a relationship. As for getting a group of friends and drinking near a park, once again, you are relying on a group of women to come to you and entirely on fate. Most of the times, it won't happen.

As for the social rules to life stuff and the normie life, look, I've been in a fraternity in college and was a part of a decent social circle. Even after all of that, it is quite limiting. You are confined to the same people and your life gets flooded with social circle high school politics level of drama. It's the same old watching sports at a bar while you get drunk and fat and hitting on the same girls who have been passed around to different guys and already know your history where everything you did, even years back, follows you.

Daygame, when done right, is taking matters into your hands. It is taking control of your life and saying that you will actually try to get the women you want and make something happen. When done right, it creates such a life of abundance that other men will envy with all inch of their lives. The guys I know who do daygame right have amazing women in their life, a quality rotation, have forged great relationships, and are killing it in life.

The issue is not daygame at all, I am a big advocate for it. The issue is that imbeciles like Sasha and some RSD guys have normalized harassing women to where everyone thinks daygame = aggressively harassing women during the day.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

It takes a certain kind of someone to come to a forum and start posting. None of the chads I know irl would do this, I’m sure some do, but this forum in of itself isn’t an alpha place to be. We are all thinking too much.

Yes and no. I have known a lot of "Chads" and tbh, their lives die down significantly after college. A lot of them end up in LTRs to girls who are less attractive than them and then spend the weekends watching sports while getting drunk. TBH, most of their lives are not really worth envying to the extent that you would think. They get their boring corporate jobs, LTR, house in the burbs, and call it a life by 25.

While most forum posters are posers with no lives who argue nonsense, I have met dudes on internet forums who eventually went on to have killer lifestyles. So in other words, while the basement for the typical forum poster is worse than that of a normie, the ceiling is sky high for the few who do process all of the information and do some good with it.

 

[Murk]

Yes and no. I have known a lot of "Chads" and tbh, their lives die down significantly after college. A lot of them end up in LTRs to girls who are less attractive than them and then spend the weekends watching sports while getting drunk. TBH, most of their lives are not really worth envying to the extent that you would think. They get their boring corporate jobs, LTR, house in the burbs, and call it a life by 25.

While most forum posters are posers with no lives who argue nonsense, I have met dudes on internet forums who eventually went on to have killer lifestyles. So in other words, while the basement for the typical forum poster is worse than that of a normie, the ceiling is sky high for the few who do process all of the information and do some good with it.

I’m not judging forum posters because I have a good life and know others do too.

I’m saying the stereotypical chad isn’t on a forum over thinking things to death, they just act and do. So you will see more “IT guys” obsessing on forums it’s to be expected.

 

[Fruitbat]

It takes a certain kind of someone to come to a forum and start posting. None of the chads I know irl would do this, I’m sure some do, but this forum in of itself isn’t an alpha place to be. We are all thinking too much.

Speak for yourself. I’m a total Chad. My mother says so.

 

[Murk]

Speak for yourself. I’m a total Chad. My mother says so.

There are no Welsh chads unless they are rugby boys

 

[Zimbabwe]

Daygame, when done right, is taking matters into your hands.

It's done right when you are going about your day and you just happen to run across an attractive woman, not when guys go out with the sole purpose of approaching women in mind.

The students lack serious social awareness and the coaches never tell them to fix this.

No guy who is socially competent would be attending one of these events.

 

[Fruitbat]

It's done right when you are going about your day and you just happen to run across an attractive woman, not when guys go out with the sole purpose of approaching women in mind.




No guy who is socially competent would be attending one of these events.

Plus, what kind of man dedicated his free time to purely pursuing women, when they could be spending that time being somebody, learning a skill, earning money.

Fair enough if you aced an inheritance and already have an athletes physique and can sit around measuring your knob and wandering around, but it does feel like you’re making the woman the prize if you’re dedicating time specifically to pursuit.

if you have your life in order then these women suddenly turn up generally.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

The PUA styled spam approach method is worthless.

Alll of my best approaches were when I was out with friend, coworkers, w/e not even trying or expecting anything; would instantly hit it off with the first (and only) group of women the entire night because it was natural. Sometimes women would even approach me.

I've had very few approaches that went well from trying to purposely "pickup chicks". PUA by its nature always puts you into a terrible mindset.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

It's done right when you are going about your day and you just happen to run across an attractive woman, not when guys go out with the sole purpose of approaching women in mind.

I disagree. Every guy thinks he is going to do that but most of the times, you will just go out and get approach anxiety like a MOFO. Been there and done that. There is nothing wrong at all with focusing on a certain time during the week to go out and approach women. The problem is that so many of these PUA geeks and idiots like Sasha have made daygame equal street harassment.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Plus, what kind of man dedicated his free time to purely pursuing women, when they could be spending that time being somebody, learning a skill, earning money.

Fair enough if you aced an inheritance and already have an athletes physique and can sit around measuring your knob and wandering around, but it does feel like you’re making the woman the prize if you’re dedicating time specifically to pursuit.

if you have your life in order then these women suddenly turn up generally.

You say learning a skill, are we talking about a skill that will land you in situations where you naturally get surrounded by beautiful women? Yeah like playing an instrument? Well it better be DJing at a nightclub and good luck being picked in that competitive atmosphere. As for earning money, most of the guys who get into these PUA programs are the IT dorks and engineers earning great salaries so you are off about that.

No, having your life in order does not have women suddenly turn up, this is false as someone who ticked a lot of your boxes (good salary, good shape, good style, etc.). At most you are relying on dating apps and hoping that someone wants you to meet a girl they know. Even then, you are the mercy of whatever girl (usually below your league) picks you.

Men always make women the prize of what they do, its in our biology. We need to acknowledge that and create a situation where we can benefit.

I get it, you dislike daygame and tbh, I do not blame you one bit. I used to hate daygame and cringe at the guys that did it for years. What I found was that it is because of idiots like Simple Pickup, Sasha, RSD's Julien, and basically all guys who were borderline chief harassers that I said I want nothing to do with daygame. Then what I did was find guys who did in a quality and efficient way and were able to get great women into their lives. These are women these men would have never met otherwise.

You cannot take a passive and laid back approach to getting hot girls. Yeah you can have your six figure job and all but some club promoter is still going to be balls deep in a sexy 21 year old despite making less than you.

What I found was that doing daygame right has made me more socially aware, helped me meet interesting women, and get so many benefits. Then again, I did it when I got my life together.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

you do not need to go out of your way either, just ask people out where you happen to be. There is no way to have abundance without cold approaching for most men.

Wise wise words. You would have to pretty much get lucky and have a lot of promoter friends to even rival that sort of a life of abundance. I had 100+ matches across all of the dating apps when they were popular only to find that they became pay to play at some point during the pandemic, abundance was largely gone.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I went to a PUA type party in SF once. I didnt know it was one but a friend invited me to it and it became obvious. I ran into ppl I already knew there including one of my plates bc the Guru had asked them to come independently. Interesting vibe but man were the guys (and my plate) jealous when one of the girls there was all over me lol. Like openly throwing temper tantrums, I assume she was a pass-around of some kind bc more than one guy was upset. The benefit was that it was one of the only demographically favorable events ive been to in SF other than my own parties I've thrown.

Typical San Francisco, good lord I have not been to a much worse city in North America outside of Toronto. I have never been to a city where the women were so downright hideous looking but had the most toxic and entitled personalities ever. It has gotten worse and these women are a unique class of man-hating feminists who try to actively ruin successful and smooth guys with a good sex life. I have dealt with enough San Fran transplants to know that these people are truly some of the worst that humanity has to offer, I bail as soon as someone tells me that they moved from there.

Guys are all try-hards trying to prove how alpha they are, yeah bro lemme tell you about my two black belts and decade of MMA sparring as I work for your typical woke tech company. Always instigating and starting trouble and always coming off as annoying try hards. Meanwhile, the women are all extreme narcissists who you can tell have an inferiority complex over being from the uglier half of California. These parasites move elsewhere and just ruin those cities.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Agree with all of that lol. I was warned by several men but my ego convinced me I would have a better time of it than most men...not so. No one does well there.

It is not even about the sex or getting laid man, it's just that people in that city really suck. I mean I cannot even be happy having to be around that many awful people. There is a uniquely toxic psychopathic vibe to San Fran.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

It is not even about the sex or getting laid man, it's just that people in that city really suck. I mean I cannot even be happy having to be around that many awful people. There is a uniquely toxic psychopathic vibe to San Fran.

Most people suck in general though lol.

 

[evan12]

The students lack serious social awareness and the coaches never tell them to fix this.

I guess many of them feel into some autistic spectrum and the trainer know that and dont know how to change it ,just like parents of autistic children, they never tell them they are socially awkward nor they try to teach them