An experience of a Brown guy in the US, don't get why people say it is tough.

[JackRobin]

Bro, I am gonna have to see some pics for judgment.

Anyways pointless to debate it. Yes looks matter but it is the guys with big muscles, chiseled features, and those things that have women approaching them. Guys like Francisco Lachowski won't have as much success as Henry Cavil.

 

[floydb25]

Heh... Guys are the WORST when it comes to judging other guys, I've learned. Complete 180 from how girls viewed me. I had some "ok" pics posted a long time ago. See if I cant find them again.

But again, BS. Women approached me all the time, and in terms of build, length, and height, I was at the way bottom. Like, always. Even made fun of for it. Especially at bars and clubs. Guys always had a sort of caveman, I'm bigger, better, and stronger mentality towards me. But, with all the bullying and ****-talking they did, girls still approached, flirted, complimented, etc. Sex was always on their minds, and they didnt hold back for ****.

This **** actually happened; real-life experiences here. Even at my new job - like those of old... We have bulky guys, decent looking taller guys... Most guys have always been in better shape than me. I'm nothing. Guys say I'm skin and bones, not good looking, etc, etc - like always. But, just like in the past, women are always staring at the eyes / face. They even say I have very nice eyes / am very attractive. Up north, they'd also become sexual with it, very fast. "You turn me on; I want to ravage you; I go on top; I'd do you", and other comments as it somewhat related to the conversation. But always sexual on their end.

I was also way too shy and insecure and traditional to approach women, or initiate sex. It was always them. There was a LOT of sex talk - none initiated by me. Since I was such a momma's boy ***** ***** - I'd even avoid and divert the topic to a non-sexual state. They could stick their ass in my face - literally - and I'd be in lala land. Damn my upbringing. A lot of women (and men) thought I was gay, but really just a coward.

So, damnit.... Stop arguing.

 

[JackRobin]

Live the world you want to live in pal but believe me, as a former skinny kid, the buff dudes are still the ones taking her home and nailing her.

 

[floydb25]

Alright, this is the last post I can make for several hours, even into tomorrow. So, X-Mas brawl, NC style? :box:

Bull to the ****, on what you said. It's the assertive, confident guys that are. Like I said, these girls were PUSHING for sex, but I was too afraid, shy, and insecure for it. They wanted to come over when no one was around, invited me to their place after club hours, arranged late-night meet-ups, wanted to go in tubs / pools, have sex in the car, at a hotel, in the park... What part of this **** do you not understand? So, a girl having a 30 minute sex talk about all the kinky things they want to do means they just want to bang some other bulky guy? Wanting to go in the shower, being the judge on whether I look good naked, revealing different fantasies, getting half-naked, grabbing my ass and SKINNY arms,, laying in bed with me, etc... Are you seriously ****ing retarded? Or are you just like everyone else who has their own one-sided viewpoint.

Actually, what you say is what a lot of guys say. Yeah... Too bad all the women were approaching me, and not their Hercules' having asses. Just like always... Never fails. Most guys dont know **** about what women find attractive.

Other good looking SKINNY guys did not have this problem, and got laid constantly. Because they were confident, assertive, and had no problems escalating. I was just an oblivious, insecure dumbass. But those hot skinny guys were very successful.

You say you were skinny, but were you also hot in women's eyes? That makes a WORLD of difference, and skinny good looking guys triumph Hulkamania. So, you cant say one way or another, if you dont have the facts, eh?

In regards to pics: it looks like the history on here only goes so far. They were linked in an earlier thread from last year, but its not in the history. They're posted somewhere online, on one of those image-uploading websites, and I'll try to find them. I dont generally keep a lot of pics or share them. And I have no phone or camera to take any.

God, I'm such a bum. But a pretty bum. HAHAHAHA... :nono:

*kiss*

 

[JackRobin]

-facepalm-

first of all how this turned from a race to looks thread is wrong and beyond me


going by your whole pretty boy assertion, I can also say nice guys have better luck than bad boys since women are willing to spend more time with them, talk to them more, and all that but those nice guys are just too scared to pull the trigger

in the end, how you present yourself will triumph looks. People say it is in the genetics, looks are MUCH more than just facial features man. Look at Daniel Craig, not a classically handsome dude but he would have 10 times more success than some pretty boy.

Make of it what you will, ya sure guys with game and such get laid but if we are talking looks, most women prefer to be in bed with a linebacker or a buff looking dude. Heck, just look at the guys they have in porn, with the exception of James Deen, a lot of those dudes in porn are built buff, especially the Black ones.

My point is that good looks are diverse. NFL linebackers, skinny soccer players, bodybuilders, male models, and all of those guys with their body in a good shape will get the girls. Why make it about anything else. Ya looks matter, I am not saying they are irrelevant. Looks matter a lot from my experience, I am kidding myself if I think I can be 50 lbs heavier and still get laid.

Thing is, ALL people will have different views on looks.

Personally, at one point in my life a curvy girl was more desirable than a skinny girl. Now I can see myself pounding a skinny girl. Tastes vary dude, you don't have to be the skinny Francisco Lachowski to get a lot of success and even guys that look like that won't have a lot of success if they give off the wrong vibe.

 

[floydb25]

Ooooh.. Got an extra post. Thanks, Santa! :moon:

The NG vs BB analogy is pure crap, and you know it. There's a difference between a girl WANTING SEX, and telling you so, vs spending time around girls in a neutral, friendly manner. These girls were TOUCHING, GRABBING, FLIRTING, KISSING, ETC. ALL SYSTEMS ARE A GO. SEXY FUN TIMES AHEAD.

DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND. THIS. ? ? ?

Not, we were talking friendly, going shopping, holding hands in the park, playing volleyball, and gossiping about celebrities and make-up, or talking for hours and hours.

THESE WERE NOT FRIENDLY ENCOUNTERS. THEY WERE SEXUAL.

DOES. THIS. MAKE. SENSE. TO. YOU. ? ? ?

And, its not like we did nothing. There was a LOT of fooling around with various girls. Just not sex, 'cause I held back from it. THE GIRLS WERE UP FOR SEX, AND WANTED IT. I was just too much of a ***** to proceed beyond a certain point.

Girls dont lead, and wont push. They just show very clear signs, initiate the encounter, but expect to be lead and dominated. I was too much of a coward to do this. So, while they suggested this and that, got all comfortable and half-naked, pushed up against me and started rubbing my arms, and these things - I just sat there like a dumbass. When they talked about sex, I said nothing, shrugged it off, and changed the topic.

THERE'S NOTHING FRIENDLY ABOUT THIS. I WAS JUST AN INSECURE DUMBASS WITH NO SELF-ESTEEM.

IS. THIS. GETTING. THROUGH. TO. YOU. YET. ? ? ?

But, you can believe as you will. Most guys do. You have no idea how many guys I had to prove wrong over the years. It becomes futile after a while, and I'm well past the stage of caring what other guys think, trying to prove this and that. It never ends, and is completely pointless.

All I know is from personal, first-hand experience. And thats how it was.

One thing, though. The people down here are a lot more friendly, pleasant, and all that, but holy ****, are they ****ing STUPID.

With love,

 

[JackRobin]

*Facepalm*

let your ego go, here is the reality

1. no you won't get laid more than the football players
2. the guy with status will always clean up before you do
3. if you were really that good looking, women would throw themselves at you like they throw themselves at NFL QBs

all I have said is you don't need to be the pretty boy to be an attractive guy and some attractive guys like the hunk types get laid more

This is all reality, all a lot of other guys can agree with, and something made up from your "experience". Now this is about race and being a brown guy, if you can't contribute to that topic then get lost.

 

[Masculinity]

OP is a token, that is, unusual (better known as outlier in math) relative to the majority; he is not representative of the entire men of color population in the country and, as a result, his situation is not to be generalized. Just because most men of color have a hard time with White women does not mean that it is impossible for men of color to get White women. Regardless of what is said, what is important is what is actually happening. Racial mixing is in a hierarchy of difficulty: having a ONS with a girl of a different race is easy. Having a girlfriend of a different race is more challenging. Marrying a girl of a different race is very unlikely--in fact, the US government reports that fewer than 1% of US marriages occur between people of different races.

Needless to say, OP sounds very Americanized with social capital and cultural capital. That is, he knows people in his neighborhood, grew up around White people, and hence, has an easier time bonding with White people/women. An immigrant from India (even speaking perfect English) with lower socioeconomic status, etc. would have a completely different experience than OP. This is also why OP has a more difficult time with Indian girls, even when they are his own race. He has become acculturated into American ways and probably left behind most (if not all) of his culture of origin. I could go on and on about this complex topic. But long story short, people gravitate to people who are like themselves (in most ways) including race. Stereotypes, prejudice, discrimination, and oppression exist and are still alive, just not as over as before. However, interracial mating is occurring at an increasing rate. We are yet to see what the future brings.

Never had ANY problems with women of any kind.

A very important rule I have learned is: BS statements tend to have absolute words (never, any, none, nothing) in them. The above statement ^ has three absolutes, what makes it guaranteed BS.

-R

 

[floydb25]

*Facepalm*

let your ego go, here is the reality

1. no you won't get laid more than the football players
2. the guy with status will always clean up before you do
3. if you were really that good looking, women would throw themselves at you like they throw themselves at NFL QBs

all I have said is you don't need to be the pretty boy to be an attractive guy and some attractive guys like the hunk types get laid more

This is all reality, all a lot of other guys can agree with, and something made up from your "experience". Now this is about race and being a brown guy, if you can't contribute to that topic then get lost.

None of this talk is new. It's not my ego, either, dip****. I dont just make **** up, or see things that arent there. I've had the experience of being unfit and unnattractive, as well. Leagues apart, really. But believe what you will... See if I give a ****.

You're basically reiterating everything I've said all along. People who arent hugely successful dont believe those who are. It only happens to mystical people, or celebrities. If its not happening to them - its not happening to anybody. No way, no how. Everyone is on the same wavelength, or below them. We're all just average Joe's struggling, or having semi-success. Or at least, thats what failures would like you to believe. Or... What THEY would like to believe, to make themselves feel better. "Yeah, ok buddy... In your dreams."

But it is what it is. Again, nothing new. Same as always. And its always men talking ****. Not good looking, successful ones, though.

I have nothing to prove, and its tiring to even try. Did that **** enough in the past, with my fake friends. No matter what you say or do to prove them wrong - theres something else for them to talk **** about. Like, if things dont work out with a girl. And, they dont believe unless they're right there with you. Even if girls are checking you out, or flirting with you, or whatever - right in front of their faces, mind you - they automatically jump to ego-competition mode, and convince themselves (and try to me) that its just a friendly encounter. Then comes the ****-blocking and sabotaging and insulting. "Oh, you're ugly; she doesn't like you" - while acting like you're the ones approaching them. But when it happens to them - no matter how rare - they're big time studs, and better than you. People simply cant accept others being successful. But underneath it all, its just one big competition. They even do it in an "I'm better than you" manner. Never fails.

Even if you DO prove them wrong - it doesnt accomplish anything. Just wears you out, and becomes a chore. Kind of like, you're getting women JUST to prove people wrong. Dumb and pointless.

This is why I dont mess with guys anymore, or bring up **** like this. Hell, you dont even have to do anything. Just be hanging around girls, or them seeing girls checking you out or complimenting you in their presence, and its instant competition. The more of this you get - the more they compete, and try to bring you down. You dont even have to do, or say anything. They'll just keep saying you're ugly you're ugly you're ugly - for no reason. They're not oblivious to what's going on, either.

All I was doing was making a point on how it is as what women deem a "pretty boy". Not me just making **** up for ego / attention purposes. You have to go into detail to explain, and thats the kind of person I am, anyway.

But just to clarify: #3 on your list DOES occur.

P.S. You dont know anything. Stop talking.

 

[floydb25]

Aright dear, I found the ****'s. Now to find out how to login. Ha Ha.

 

[JackRobin]

Holy ****, here we are going on about looks when it is primarily a race thread. Seriously, let go of this ****. You are trying to prove something that is hardly true at all and believe me, you will keep replying to my posts. Quit beating a dead horse.

Wanna know a reality?

You aren't a pretty boy, you aren't a Cristiano Ronaldo, and no you never had women throwing themselves at you. If you ever did you would be way too caught up with that lifestyle to waste time on an online forum. You wouldn't need to even learn game. Quit denying the facts I have seen happen over and over again, teenage skinnyboy models getting looked over by women in favor of buff football players and the hunks.

Wanna make a thread on looks? Make a ****ing thread based on looks but this is about race. Now get lost.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

I have honestly had it easier with White girls than Indian girls.

That's because westernized Indian girls are spoiled brats beyond which the likes of white girls have never even been able to touch. Incredible, I know. But the most entitlement I have seen came from Indian girls (again, I am talking about westernized ones).

You are probably pretty good looking and VERY tall for an east/south asian male. You are not typical of most Indian or east asian guys.

Try living the life of a 5'7 Indian male and then say how easy it is.

 

[JackRobin]

OP is a token, that is, unusual (better known as outlier in math) relative to the majority; he is not representative of the entire men of color population in the country and, as a result, his situation is not to be generalized. Just because most men of color have a hard time with White women does not mean that it is impossible for men of color to get White women. Regardless of what is said, what is important is what is actually happening. Racial mixing is in a hierarchy of difficulty: having a ONS with a girl of a different race is easy. Having a girlfriend of a different race is more challenging. Marrying a girl of a different race is very unlikely--in fact, the US government reports that fewer than 1% of US marriages occur between people of different races.

Needless to say, OP sounds very Americanized with social capital and cultural capital. That is, he knows people in his neighborhood, grew up around White people, and hence, has an easier time bonding with White people/women. An immigrant from India (even speaking perfect English) with lower socioeconomic status, etc. would have a completely different experience than OP. This is also why OP has a more difficult time with Indian girls, even when they are his own race. He has become acculturated into American ways and probably left behind most (if not all) of his culture of origin. I could go on and on about this complex topic. But long story short, people gravitate to people who are like themselves (in most ways) including race. Stereotypes, prejudice, discrimination, and oppression exist and are still alive, just not as over as before. However, interracial mating is occurring at an increasing rate. We are yet to see what the future brings.
-R

Not really true at all times. I mean I get mad when you have the Indians who are fat as **** because they eat Indian food loaded with bad carbs, make a lot of money but dress like ****, and don't pay any attention to their hygiene and appearance and yet have the nuts to say all Indian men have it bad. **** you buddy, I am doing well, you aren't doing well because you are **** and you give all the Indians who are making it out there a bad name.

I think with us Indians it is a HUGE disparity.

The westernized Indian men can kill it with the best of them, I have done as well as a lot of my friends who were Italians, Latinos, and all of the stereotypically romantic ethnicities, in many cases even better than them.

The FOBs cannot get laid worth a damn, like if they abolished arranged marriages, these guys would be single by a large number.

 

[floydb25]

Alright, I'm not big on pics, and dont even take any. Try to keep my anonymity, and not make a lot of noise anymore. Pretty low-key and keep to myself, especially since I moved away. But since you're pushing, **** it.

These are from my ex fake friends' cell phones, in different periods. May not be the best, but whatever.

#1 You cant even really see. Blurry and ****ty. Age 24-25. Definitely skinny.

#2 Was probably around my prime. Age 26, I think. I was fat and unnattractive up until age 23 or so. Everything was new to me. Still a little overweight, but nothing serious.

#3 Was a few years ago, when I moved away. Pretty decent overall, but I gained weight due to depression and hating everything. There's some noticeable chunk going on, which makes a difference. Not the biggest fan, but you get a gist.

#4 Was during the same period.

Havent taken any since, since I dont really hang out anymore, although I lost 20 pounds over the last few years. I was 175-180 lbs in #3 and #4 - as compared to 155-165bs in the first two. Getting back to the old ways - only feeling much better, confident, and happy. ****ing love this place. :rockon:

What gets women is basically the "prettiness", as I've said. The eyes, especially. They love the bold / round / glowy / shiny / piercing element. But also the smooth, clean cut skin. Very feminine in nature, but still a man. Whatever. I'm not a woman, and dont judge myself.

But like I said, **** what guys think.

Thanks again to Mike for the image-uploading service. Took a while to find these *****es again.

 

[floydb25]

Holy ****, here we are going on about looks when it is primarily a race thread. Seriously, let go of this ****. You are trying to prove something that is hardly true at all and believe me, you will keep replying to my posts. Quit beating a dead horse.

Wanna know a reality?

You aren't a pretty boy, you aren't a Cristiano Ronaldo, and no you never had women throwing themselves at you. If you ever did you would be way too caught up with that lifestyle to waste time on an online forum. You wouldn't need to even learn game. Quit denying the facts I have seen happen over and over again, teenage skinnyboy models getting looked over by women in favor of buff football players and the hunks.

Wanna make a thread on looks? Make a ****ing thread based on looks but this is about race. Now get lost.

Heh... You're egging me on, all the same. Maybe you should come down here, so I can steal your girlfriend - assuming you even have one. Then we'll see who's right, little *****.

I'll tell you like I tell everyone else: just because YOU cant attract women - doesnt mean no one else can. So, keep your bull**** insecurities to yourself, and continue believing that we're all helpless losers. Just like always. You (***** ass men) talk all the **** - while I attract women who would never even look your way. Hell, this is how ****ed up it is... Loser men, like, say, you, would get turned down by average girls, who I rejected - and they'd STILL talk ****.

I dont come here to learn game, by the way. Never once have I asked for help or advice. Its a topic that interests me, and I can relate to what a lot of people are going through - from what happened in the past. Sharing experiences, giving advice, discussing topics of interest... That sort of thing.

And, by the way, you're still wrong. I have never seen a pretty boy get passed up in favor of a hunk football player. I'll give you an example... When I moved down here, my ex fake friend, who's a Marine, was married to his wife. He's a big guy, good looking, assertive, masculine, social, high rank... Guess who she was always flirting with, eye'ing, and complimenting? Yeah, it wasnt the big buff hunk. Though he did catch on to this, and tried tearing me down at any opportunity. He HATED when we were alone, and the insecurities were pouring. I didnt even do ****.

This was a constant occurance back in the day, as well. All these guys looking down on me, talking ****, saying I'm a sissy... But when it came to women, none of these "tough guys" were attracting ****. And boy did it piss them off. They got the occassional hottie with effort - while they came right to me.

As well, girls wanting to cheat on their big buff boyfriends with the skinny pretty boy, and getting jealous / competitive whenever they were in the vicinity.. Ha Ha. You're such a *****.

So, keep deluding yourself into believing what you say is right - while everything you say is dead wrong. Also, enjoy all the average women you get. ****ing loser.

P.S. You still dont know anything.

 

[JackRobin]

hmm, you look like Zinedine Zidane but you aren't a pretty boy, sorry dude, I mean I can be wrong, upload your pic to beautifulpeople.com and see it for yourself but you aren't a Francisco Lachowski or David Beckham

anyways, back on topic finally

someone mentioned 5"7 Indian males not having success, ever heard of Jesse from SimplePickup?

I probably can't get laid as much as he does or have as much boldness as that guy has.

 

[floydb25]

It is what it is. Like I said, guy's opinions on looks dont interest me in the least. Girls have called me a pretty boy numerous times, and I have not lied about anything. I go by what they say - not me, you, or any other guys. Everything I've said is based on the words and actions of women. I dont make **** up. If girls call me a pretty boy, thats what I go by.

The main thing women always notice, and target on, is the eyes. Gotta disagree with being similar to that guy you mentioned in this respect. He's also more rugged than smooth. Facial structure I can kind of see. Dont even know who those other guys are.

But at the end of the day, as long as chicks are into it, thats the only thing that matters. And whatever I have AS A BROWN GUY is very appealing to them.

I linked the site because you asked. Gonna take it down now. Not interested in showing the world, or seeking their approval, or being a beauty king. Keep it quiet is best I've learned. Dont brag or compete. Just do your own success, and not care what other people think.

Actually, arguing with you brought me back to how things were up north. Hated that ****. Best to not even go there, but it ended up being that way amidst our arguing. Absolutely hate the whole ego / status ****. Thats why I left. Thats all they did up there. Then you get all into it, start getting pissed off, and feel like punting a baby into the bleachers.

Oh well. Still love you, honey bunches.

Back to whatever you were doing.

 

[SeymourCake]

Two dudes arguing who's a pretty boy and who's not. This thread is hilarious.:crackup:

 

[JackRobin]

If you are so confident then quit blowing your horn on this thread and just apply to beautifulpeople.com, I got in, will even send you a wink if you make it in.

Now back on topic, I have heard that states like Minnesota are the best for an Indian guy or any Brown guy looking to get with a Blonde, is that true?

 

[floydb25]

Two dudes arguing who's a pretty boy and who's not. This thread is hilarious.:crackup:

**** yeah, man. If you dont want to share in the lemon and cupcakes, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE?

I never meant to blow my horn, or sound conceited. ****ing ****... WHY ARE WE STILL ARGUING.

Brown people something.

Edit: Yeah, kind of. Thats how it was in my social class. Trying to break away from that. But change isnt always easy... Especially when thats all you surround yourself with for 2 decades.