An experience of a Brown guy in the US, don't get why people say it is tough.

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JackRobin said:
Ya, I can see it man. I mean I have gone to many forums where it is usually Black users voicing their opinions on how much they have managed to struggle with women in the US. Like porn might tell you Black men are the most desired but real life experience has showed me other wise, just talking to the girls I have been with. I banged this good looking redhead who is dating my Vietnamese friend, she said she would date any guy just as long as he wasn't Black. Thing is, she comes from a rich family too, you would think this crap only happens with women in broke redneck areas. Again, this is just my experience, not saying it is true in all cases.
Heh.

"I've never been with a black man."

I've heard that line a number of times. So have many of my friends. Actions speak louder than words.

I'm not saying that women don't have preferences -- and prejudices -- but things are changing and provided it's the right guy in the right context, anything can happen.

Granted, I've never lived in the south. But on the coasts and abroad (lived in France for a time), I've never had any problems. Women have always liked me and most have been white/jewish or hispanic (just based on where I grew up and went to school). My own hangups -- lack of confidence, socially awkward, self-sabotage -- is the only thing that held me back in the past.
 

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Heh.

"I've never been with a black man."

I've heard that line a number of times. So have many of my friends. Actions speak louder than words.

I'm not saying that women don't have preferences -- and prejudices -- but things are changing and provided it's the right guy in the right context, anything can happen.

Granted, I've never lived in the south. But on the coasts and abroad (lived in France for a time), I've never had any problems. Women have always liked me and most have been white/jewish or hispanic (just based on where I grew up and went to school). My own hangups -- lack of confidence, socially awkward, self-sabotage -- is the only thing that held me back in the past.

I've heard you're cute for a black guy countless of times. What's worse, I act whiter than most white people and affluent.
 

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NewAndImproved said:
Heh.

"I've never been with a black man."

I've heard that line a number of times. So have many of my friends. Actions speak louder than words.

I'm not saying that women don't have preferences -- and prejudices -- but things are changing and provided it's the right guy in the right context, anything can happen.

Granted, I've never lived in the south. But on the coasts and abroad (lived in France for a time), I've never had any problems. Women have always liked me and most have been white/jewish or hispanic (just based on where I grew up and went to school). My own hangups -- lack of confidence, socially awkward, self-sabotage -- is the only thing that held me back in the past.
so you say there are many women out there that have been with black men but will say they haven't?
 

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Ring: like with anything else, most girls just want a "hot" guy. Doesnt matter the race. I knew some racist girls who dated black guys - simply because they were hot. One of them straight up said "I hate black guys, but would date one if he was hot". Exact words. They dated black "pretty boys", and all that mess.

When I was heavy into the social scene - all girls ever said in regards to men was hot this, and hot that. Thats all they care about. Whenever a girl talked to me, it was either to tell me I'm hot, or talk about sex. Little inbetween.

If you actually talk to these hoes, and have them interested in you - you find out just how shallow they are. They mostly just want sex with hot guys. Its all they talk about - with everyone.

Being tall, muscular, and cute / good looking means jack **** to most women. They want hot / gorgeous / pretty types. Even the fatties and average'rs. And they STILL have expectations and entitlements.

Of course, its mostly the fake, popular, out-going, drama types that are like this, but its what most guys go after.
 

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Ya but the thing is what do you define as hot?

Like honestly, some features are common in races that others don't consider hot. I can honestly say MOST Middle Eastern girls from my experience are not into Black men, like at all. A lot of women are not really attracted to darker skin either. So I can see a ripped good looking Black guy struggling with an attractive woman of some races, WHY?

Options, if she can have a hot White guy, a hot Brown guy, then why in that case would she want a hot black guy that is not initially her preference?

Sure, if she is single and the ONLY attractive guy she runs into is Black then she will go with him but in most cases she will run into attractive men of all colors so it isn't like her options will be limited.

Just my take. I can definitely see White women in the US who say they won't date Black guys making an exceptions but a lot of Middle Eastern, Indian, and certain kinds of European (Italian, Spaniard, and eastern European) women from my experience will not be like that since skin color has a lot to do with attractiveness.
 

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JackRobin said:
Ya but the thing is what do you define as hot?

Like honestly, some features are common in races that others don't consider hot. I can honestly say MOST Middle Eastern girls from my experience are not into Black men, like at all. A lot of women are not really attracted to darker skin either. So I can see a ripped good looking Black guy struggling with an attractive woman of some races, WHY?

Options, if she can have a hot White guy, a hot Brown guy, then why in that case would she want a hot black guy that is not initially her preference?

Sure, if she is single and the ONLY attractive guy she runs into is Black then she will go with him but in most cases she will run into attractive men of all colors so it isn't like her options will be limited.

Just my take. I can definitely see White women in the US who say they won't date Black guys making an exceptions but a lot of Middle Eastern, Indian, and certain kinds of European (Italian, Spaniard, and eastern European) women from my experience will not be like that since skin color has a lot to do with attractiveness.
Most women consider hot in the face. Usually shiny, piercing eyes, and whatever. Well-shaped face with certain feminine features. Pretty boys look a lot like pretty women. Its pretty universal.

This is why guys from all races and classes think Hailey Barry is hot, for example. Women are the same way. A hot guy is a hot guy regardless of race or nationality. They make them horny just by looking at them. They get that crushy feeling, where their stomach turns, they become nervous, are super happy, and so forth. Immediate lust and infatuation.

It is absolutely NOT true that white women prefer a hot white guy. I dated a girl who dated pretty boys of all races. As long as they were gorgeous - she didnt care. The guy she dated before me was black. Another girl I dated got with a black pretty boy immediately after. These were gorgeous women, by the way.

Other girls chose me over some of my "hot" friends - who were white. Strangers we bumped into at bars, or whatever... Same thing.

Women say a lot of things, also... It all goes out the window once they find a "hot" guy. They'll make up all kinds of excuses not to date someone - then date a better looking someone who is otherwise the same damn thing.
 

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JackRobin said:
so you say there are many women out there that have been with black men but will say they haven't?
I'm saying that whenever a woman says "she's never done this before," odds are she has....

...OR NOT. Doesn't matter if she's doing it with me.

Ex. Met this (white) girl through mutual at this pool party over the summer. At one point I overheard her talking to her girlfriend about "this black man" that hit on her. I wasn't sure what to make of her tone but it certainly wasn't warm. Anyway, I played it cool. We talked a little but I was working on other girls, too.

See her out at another party later in the summer, she seems really excited to see me but I'm indifferent. Talk to another girl.

Finally see her randomly at a bar on Halloween. I say what's up, she seems shocked I recognize her. I tell her I'm going to make my rounds but before I go she grabs me and says "I'll be around all night."

Game over.
 

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Someone like Tyson Beckford is probably a good male equivalent to Hailey Barry. *****es arent going to turn him down because he's black.
 

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Ringleader41 said:
I've heard you're cute for a black guy countless of times. What's worse, I act whiter than most white people and affluent.
LMAO, you gotta reframe that stuff.

This girl once told me "You're really hot... are you mixed?"

I smirked, turned around and said "Yeah black with black."
 

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Ringleader41 said:
I can't date my own race because black girls aren't attracted to me.
Black women can sniff a black dude that likes white girls/non blacks a mile away, lol. Most likely they do find you attractive but think, "why bother". You say you dress and act white so they probably assume they have no chance with you.
 

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Ring: like with anything else, most girls just want a "hot" guy. Doesnt matter the race. I knew some racist girls who dated black guys - simply because they were hot. One of them straight up said "I hate black guys, but would date one if he was hot". Exact words. They dated black "pretty boys", and all that mess.

When I was heavy into the social scene - all girls ever said in regards to men was hot this, and hot that. Thats all they care about. Whenever a girl talked to me, it was either to tell me I'm hot, or talk about sex. Little inbetween.

If you actually talk to these hoes, and have them interested in you - you find out just how shallow they are. They mostly just want sex with hot guys. Its all they talk about - with everyone.

Being tall, muscular, and cute / good looking means jack **** to most women. They want hot / gorgeous / pretty types. Even the fatties and average'rs. And they STILL have expectations and entitlements.

Of course, its mostly the fake, popular, out-going, drama types that are like this, but its what most guys go after.

You're right to some extent. All of my hookups I've had I put 2% of the effort in to it. I also have girls that like me, but when I talk to them I don't get that vibe. My game is pretty terrible imho.
 

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yyc12 said:
Black women can sniff a black dude that likes white girls/non blacks a mile away, lol. Most likely they do find you attractive but think, "why bother". You say you dress and act white so they probably assume they have no chance with you.
exactly, and the black girls that act like me are completely white washed. Some even try to go by the mixed card.
 

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I find it funny how non-whites claim whites have it easy.

As if you were ever a white male.



What is mind-numbing is the irony of a bunch of guys hating on whites but thinking that only whites are racist.
I heard that women hate on men but think that only men are sexist.

Guys going out and deliberately trying to fvck everything except their own -- have a deep-seated sense of inferiority. Think about it.
 

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Guys going out and deliberately trying to fvck everything except their own -- have a deep-seated sense of inferiority. Think about it.
People are attracted to what they're attracted to. Some are attracted to "features". Without going into too much detail, I'm attracted to certain features that are just not that common in my race. If you find me someone of my race with those features, i'll be over them...as i have been in the past.
 

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Feminine features do not equate to being attractive and a lot of women are into the hunks rather than pretty boys.

As I said, some White women will prefer other races but they are outliers, a good number of them prefer White men, I speak from experience. A Channing Tatum or Henry Cavill will get laid a lot more than Jamie Foxx or Denzel Washington if none of those guys were famous and looked the way they did. It is just a universal truth. On the other hand, most attractive Black women will prefer attractive black men, etc.

The whole Pretty Boy notion is kind of overplayed, good looking men don't have to be pretty boys. Christian Bale is a good looking guy but not a pretty boy, David Gandy has a HUGE NOSE (a non-pretty boy feature, even did an article on it) but people consider him attractive, etc.

In fact, I would say a man with more masculine like features are better off in terms of getting laid than the pretty boys who will earn compliments for their looks but won't score as much as the man with masculine features.

Football players and MMA fighters are the masculine type guys that get laid a lot for example.

Sure Pretty boys will have their day but you don't have to be a pretty boy in order to be an attractive guy. Some categories of attractive men are actually better off than pretty boys and not to mention, status triumphs all.

I live in area with a lot of Black and White people, most usually date their own race.

As for the Tyson Beckford argument, I have met Latinas who are not attracted to him and a lot of White women say "he is a fit guy but he isn't my type". Believe me bro, some girls are LEGITIMATELY not attracted to certain races. I have had an easy time as an Indian guy with chiseled features and lots of experience in the game (might post my pic here later on) but even I have run into an odd White girl who says she is ONLY into White guys. Nothing you can do about that.

As for NewandImproved: That girl might have felt sorry for what she said but eitherways, CONGRATS man! Nice to see you are making it but I want to know, how many Black men have you personally known that have had as much success as you?

Like I used to believe years back (way back) that if you were Black you didn't need game, women just came to you, but real life experience showed me otherwise.
 

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Different strokes, then. From what I've seen and experienced, the opposite is true. Pretty boys have it made. You dont even have to try. Girls come right up to you, and its not long before they start flirting, touching, talking about sex, etc. If its from a distance, they'll just scream and howl at you. They're always trying to do favors for you, wanting to see you, being excited and nervous around you, etc.

I know for a fact that it was the "pretty" that did it, because when they werent calling me hot or sexy - it was always pretty. Quite a few even used the term pretty boy.

Nothing changed when I moved down south, either. The girls are simply more reserved, respectful of boundaries, and less aggressive sexually, but all the signs are still there: staring, face-glowing smiles when you enter their vicinity, super aware of everything thats going around you, always trying to talk to you, being extra courteous towards you, always remembering who you are and what you said, doing favors... Since they're already courteous, kind, welcoming, and generous down here... It's like super hospitality. Mostly they just stare... And stare... And stare. But the overall treatment has not changed - they are simply less aggressive, physical, sexually open, and space-invading than they are up north. The girls up north simply dont give a ****, and will do or say anything that comes to mind - respect or class be damned.

Up north... For the most part, all you have to say is "hi", and they'll be more than willing to come into your space. Get to talking a little bit, and they'll start touching you. Then comes the flirting and sex talk. All you are doing is... NOTHING. They're all googly eye'd, super excited, acting like little girls, and you're just being friendly. For the most part, they'll approach you, initiate everything, want to get to know you, start dishing flirtacious compliments, bring up the topic of sex and all the things they want to do with you. All within a matter of minutes. Some even talk about marriage and babies, and never leave you alone. They are the ones trying to escalate with YOU with every run-in.

Others clam up, never look at you, get super shy and nervous, act figgity, and even look like they hate your guts.

I used to have terribly low self-esteem, didnt know **** about male-female dynamics, or the signs, and thought no one liked me. Even pushed away a ton of girls due to extreme insecurity. So, I asked a few girls I just met at the time why certain girls would look the other way, or at the ground, and never talk to me. Since the girls acting like this were generally attractive, I figured it was because I was ugly. But the girls I asked to this to actually said, "You're intimidating... Pretty boy." Thats probably when it finally hit.

But girls were all over that ****. It took no effort at all. The treatment, options, attention, admiration, etc was the same of a pretty girl. It actually helps to realize why hoes act as they do. That **** makes you very conceited, arrogant, and somewhat narcissistic - just by being in the zone. Having zero self-esteem, **** for confidence, boatloads of insecurities, shyness, etc probably helped to curb that some.

I knew 2 other pretty boys from way back who had tons of new women all the time. *****es were ****ing everywhere. I was never that good - due to a plethora of inner issues - but the possibilities, once I got there (without even knowing it), were definitely there. You can go anywhere, and almost guaranteed to have women around you. It takes zero effort. I was the only non-white pretty boy up there, but it made zero difference. All the girls cared, or talked about, or approached, was whomever was "hot".

What's interesting is, down here, people tend to stick to themselves, and dont get acquainted with strangers easily. Its very casual at best. People just mind their own business, and do what they have to do. Guys still dont give a ****, but *****es are always trying to talk and get personal, wanting you to stick around and getting to know you, all happy and in the zone... While still not having to do ****. I usually just say "hey", and they're all "blah blah blah blah". See them again, and they continue on from before. Trying to get into your space a little more each time. Its different, but still the same. Rather than force themselves in - they try to lure themselves in. Sneaky *****es.

There's a whole variety of people from all races down here, but the interest does not change from one to the next. I used online dating for a while, and got messages / interests from blacks, whites, hispanics. On Matchmaker, or whatever, I received over 250 messages without a profile. When I lived up north, it was ALL white people in that area. The guys were racist as ****, and bullied me constantly, but the women - white, young, good-looking women - did not care. They had their pick, and there were a lot of "hot" white guys up there. That didnt change anything.

The topic of race NEVER came up. It was very fluid. Not, "hey sexy brown guy" - just "hey sexy". Any rejections POST-acceptance (I was never really rejected) were a result of severe character flaws and insecurities - which they pointed out gracefully. I was never not their type, they never said they only dated white guys, no racial inneundos, nothing. It never entered into the equation, and was never the reason. All they cared about was "hot".

They were always up for sex, as well - even post-rejection. Most of them straight up wanted an FB or FWB situation from the get-go.

In all my time, I dated 1 brown girl and no blacks. The rest were all white. And these were hot / gorgeous girls, whom, after the first few encounters (or minutes) were all about the sex. No hesitation; no rejection. Of course, I ****ed it all up by being an inexperienced, insecure, oblivious dumbass who was living in fairytale romanceville, but there was never a lack of interest on their part. They also ALWAYS came up to me first.

God, I was such a ****ing idiot back then.

With all that out of the way, of course you dont have to be pretty to be attractive or successful. But most girls I knew considered pretty boys to be gorgeous. And thats all they cared about. And the options, attention, etc you receive as a result is unbelievable.
 

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Interesting, I would love to see a pic of you.

A lot of the "pretty boys" I know in real life get lower tier girls. All of the higher tier girls I know are with guys that have status or the hunk like looks. The pretty boys get the average looking women from what I have seen in real life. A lot of women I have met do not really see them as men but rather as just boys, also, many people call them gay too for some odd reason.

It isn't sour grapes on my part, I am just saying that there is a difference between being handsome and being a pretty boy.

Handsome is Pierce Brosnan, Brad Pitt, Henry Cavill, etc. A pretty boy is someone like Justin Bieber or Francisco Lachowski.

I used to think pretty boys had it easy but it seems as though most women prefer men who look like the complete package rather than some extremely skinny guy with feminine facial features. Just my experience though.
 

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Maybe we arent on the same wavelength, here. I meant feminine features in the face - not girly looking. JB is definitely a boyish pretty boy, and a complete queer to boot. I'm talking decent build (in shape, but not skinny), broad shoulders... Brad Pitt is definitely a pretty boy, but also strong. But he's not bulky. Thats how it is. There's a lot of feminine features in your body - even having a "big booty", or "nice ass", as some girls have said to me. You cant really become huge. It's kind of a mix, but those pretty features are definitely there. This doesnt mean looking or acting like a female.

I always had that player / bad boy vibe, as did others. Always dressed to impress, wore jewelry, gelled hair, clean cut, had a witty / sarcastic tone, cursed like a sailor, was laid back and chill, walking tall with a strut, ability to socialize very easily, good conversationalist, etc. I mostly wore polos, dress shirts, hoodies, a nice sweatshirt with one of those hoody top things, baggy pants, long shorts... Lots of different colors and styles... Always switching it up, but always matching, and being "out there". Like how women wear bright, revealing, tight clothing to stand out. Minus the tight part... Always loose.. But chicks usually said, "you look good in anything", and "you look like a player". Just to give you a sense of the style.

Whatever it was, it worked. On the negative, the inside didnt match the outside. Was a complete wreck with no confidence and a host of issues.

But there's definitely different types out there. Even Justin Timberlake has his own little thing going on. But in the beginning, he was more of a JB type. But chicks love them all - even BP in Fight Club.
 

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Brad Pitt is handsome, he isn't a pretty boy. A pretty boy would be Francisco Lachowski.

Again, you are overblowing this whole pretty boy thing, life isn't as easy you make it out to be. An alpha male with a bulky look will score more (eg: football players).
 

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All lies. Brad Pitt is definitely a pretty boy. But, oh well. No sense arguing. I just know what I've seen and experienced first-hand. I never considered myself pretty, or even good looking. I dont think anyone really does. Its the women that make it so, and I've been called pretty quite a bit. So, thats what I go with. But also cute, sexy, very attractive, good looking, hot... Never handsome, tough, manly, or whatever else. Definitely more on the pretty side of the compliments.

Getting laid is very subjective, and you dont have to be hot to do it. Most of it is in your words. But when you dont have to approach, or say ****, or anything else, and STILL be more successful than those who do - then its definitely the looks. And I'm short and skinny, and was up against (still am) bigger, taller, tougher, more manly guys. ****, I live in a military city now... Still no problems. Chicks are always game. Face lighting up, dialated pupils, and all that good stuff. Most girls around here are married to marines, but there's still a lot of eye-wandering.

Face makes a huge difference. Even if guys think you're weak, and better than you. *****es are all about it, and thats the only thing that matters.
 
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