"Amway"

[Climax]

Anytime...

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
This thread, if nothing else, is good for a nice long laugh.


Don't ever change, aequitas... this world needs people like you to serve as bright flashing warning signs for everyone else.

Always a pleasure Mr Giovanni Casanova Luv you too man.. seriously.. I do


Laterz...

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Re: Anytime...

Originally posted by ~ªêQµïTª$~
Always a pleasure Mr Giovanni Casanova Luv you too man.. seriously.. I do


Laterz...

I think someday you'll realize I was looking out for you...

But if you somehow beat the odds prove me wrong and get rich on Amway... I'll be cool with that.

 

[Climax]

Shweet! ...

Giovanni Casanova: Thanx dude.... Your way of looking out for me was kinda harsh, but i guess its the intention/thought/meaning that counts

P.S.: When I DO get rich from this D) Then will you also join this business?


Laterz...

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Re: Shweet! ...

Originally posted by ~ªêQµïTª$~
will you also join this business?

Big no.

HUGE no.

 

[cave dweller]

prices?

Hey,

9 bucks for a tube of toothpaste?----You got to be kidding....

Give us an example of what some of the their products sell for.

Hey, if I can buy a tube for 50 cents and sell it for 9 bucks I may have to get into Amyway myself.......................

cave dweller

 

[Climax]

I get 30% off.

 

[Alpine]

Who buys all the Amway products? Amway Distributors.

Why? Because they are told if they are gonna sell it they have to use it. Your upline will root through your cupboards and if they find a product that they make and you have another brand, you will be humiliated, told you are stupid, or worse.

Pretty much everything is average to low grade, given a very high RRP. Sure other firms market products well and they are not very good, but the truth is 90% of Amway stuff sold is through Distributors.

With access to the internet research, decades of Amway and with all the wonderful opportunities the free world offers us, to sign up with Amway now is truely dumb.

 

[Climax]

Oh yeah!

Just to update quickly.... Like I thought, this business IS working, I have already made R1800 (in the bank already) AFTER all my other expences of joining etc. And its been..... 2 - 3 weeks? ... And this is just the beginning, the money will just become more and more from here on.... wooohoooo!

 

[Derek Flint]

Re: Clearing things up...

Originally posted by ~ªêQµïTª$~
Well for one, I have about 4 of the Amway products which I got when I signed up, and I, for a guy, and VERY into all the skincare etc world, I'm kinda a health freak in a sence, and I have tried MANY of the products in the market, from the cheap sh!t, to the very expensive sh!t, and I am being 100% truthful that the Amway products that I use are worth EVERY cent that i spent on them. They gave me the results I expected for paying this price for them, and more.

Anyways... another reason that people would spend a little more buying these products, is because they are concentrated, which means that they will last you longer than the average product.. a LOT longer in some cases. At 1st when I was told that, I thought that they were talking sh!t trying to make an excuse for their high prices, but like i said, once i purchased a few of their products, I saw that it was NOT bullsh!t, and that it IS true. Instead of using a whole line of face cleanser/toner etc, I only use a drop now, and that drop gives me better results with just 1 drop. Anyways, I guess some of you here will also think I am talking sh!t right now, but I guess you will only believe once you experience it for yourselves, as I did.

Derek Flint: and just one more thing, aimed directly at the tooth paste that you mentioned... Have you tried it? no. Have you seen the size of the tube? no. Well all i can say, is that that stuff makes your teeth feel fresh, for long, and owned ANY other toothpaste out there. And the tube is like 3 times as big as a normal toothpaste tube.

All I can say, is that I am REALLY REALLY impressed with the quality of their products, which is why I am probably going to end up buying their products forever. And no, I’m not going to buy it because I was brainwashed to, I am going to buy them because their quality beats all the rest. Their products are the upper class of the market, and upper class is what I like to feel like.

RedPill: Thanx for that post, and the bottom line is, is that if you can do your part in this business successfully, you WILL get to wealth an riches, but the tricky ting is, is to be ABLE to do your part, which is NOT an easy task, but IS do-able.

Laterz...

Save the sales pitch/script:

I've done the MLM route years ago, and know all the selling points - "It's concentrated"

"It makes your teeth/hair/skin feel great" etc...

BTW, if their products are so great, then why aren't they sold in retail stores?

 

[Climax]

Originally posted by Derek Flint
Save the sales pitch/script:

I've done the MLM route years ago, and know all the selling points - "It's concentrated"

"It makes your teeth/hair/skin feel great" etc...

BTW, if their products are so great, then why aren't they sold in retail stores?

look... i dont really care why their products arent sold in retail stores etc, all i know is that i am making money from this business, and thats all that matters to me, and as long as i continue to make money, i dont care about the other little facts like them not seeling their products in retail stores.


Laterz...

 

[STR8UP]

I've studied business, economics, and wealth creation for YEARS. The truth really is that if you want to be wealthy and have control over your life, you have THREE paths:

1) Become a master programmer yourself. Be able to program people you are selling to, your employees, the people around you. You must be successful at making others believe (accept as truth) your program. Governments do this by force. Free enterprise does it through psychology.

2) Believe in the program of another, and become a master of it, working under the management of that program.

3) Master a critical skill valued by society (inventing, medicine, etc).

If you did not inherit wealth, you will never become wealthy outside of these paths without extreme luck (fantastic genetics, lottery)

I don't know where you studied wealth building, but someone is feeding you with bad information.

Everything you mentioned is based upon WORK. Wealth is rarely a product of work. Wealth is a product of the acquisition of assets. It is difficult to obtain through active income and nearly impossible to maintain without being held in the form of assets.

The TRUE three paths to wealth are:

1)Business
2)Real estate
3)Stocks

All of which are, you guessed it- assets.

 

[MetalFortress]

Re: Oh yeah!

Originally posted by ~ªêQµïTª$~
Just to update quickly.... Like I thought, this business IS working, I have already made R1800 (in the bank already) AFTER all my other expences of joining etc. And its been..... 2 - 3 weeks? ... And this is just the beginning, the money will just become more and more from here on.... wooohoooo!

Great. It took you three weeks to make what I make in one week.

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

The secret of making money with amway was exposed on a news magazine a few months ago on some cable news channel. The average FULL TIME amway idiot makes $3000 per year and that's working 40 hrs/ week. The ppl who really makes the money are those pushing the sales motivation books, videos, and $1000 seminars to the common lumpen pro latariat fools who sign up this scam. They showed how ppl would spend hundreds and thousand on all the sales aides and seminars making their network manager rich why they waste away.... It's a good scam, I wish I would have thougt of it.........Maybe the so suave crew could design our own network marketing scam.

 

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I am in the 10% box, YOU are in the 90% box.... and thats the way the its gonna stay

Originally posted by MetalFortress
Great. It took you three weeks to make what I make in one week.

Remember, I've only been in here for 3 - 4 weeks, and i have made about 2 times the money i have out into this business, and that includes me buying books, signing up, etc... So if it was a scam, then how did i already make such a big profit?

And this is just the start, in a month of 2 I'm going to be making nearly double what i make now (I make R1200 a month on average(and this is only after 3 - 4 weeks)) ... My parents also joined, and they are already saving money JUST FROM THE TAX BENEFITS..... they are saving over R5000 a month, and for what? signing up for R800 and paying R200 a month for cd's etc.

But hey, if you still think i was scammed into this, then i guess you can have your opinion, and go the ways that 90% of the world goes, "get an education, get a degree, get a stable job, work 5 days a week for the rest of your life and one day have to live off a lousy pension" ... :crackup: I'll have a ****tail for ya'all in 5 years time when i'm already retired

BOOYAKASHA!!


Laterz...

 

[MetalFortress]

Dude, you'd be retired in five years if you started your OWN MLM. Working in one that's been around for decades isn't going to have you retired in five years, or twenty five.

Of course, I fully expect you to lie just like you already have in this thread.

 

[Jvesti]

Scan and post your check for everyone to see

Also keep in mind that the exchange rate from US to South Africa is

1 dollar = 6.35 Rand

And this is just the start, in a month of 2 I'm going to be making nearly double what i make now (I make R1200 a month on average(and this is only after 3 - 4 weeks)) ... My parents also joined, and they are already saving money JUST FROM THE TAX BENEFITS..... they are saving over R5000 a month, and for what? signing up for R800 and

So as you say you are paying R1000 in expenses and "make on average" R1200

that is R200 which is $30 bucks

your forgetting gas costs, phone costs, eating out costs involved in "the business"

and the fact you are saying "on average" how can it be on average if you just joined last month. Sounds to me like that's what you HOPE to make. Otherwise you'd say "i'm making this much"

 

[RedPill]

Originally posted by STR8UP
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I don't know where you studied wealth building, but someone is feeding you with bad information.

Everything you mentioned is based upon WORK. Wealth is rarely a product of work. Wealth is a product of the acquisition of assets. It is difficult to obtain through active income and nearly impossible to maintain without being held in the form of assets.

The TRUE three paths to wealth are:

1)Business
2)Real estate
3)Stocks

All of which are, you guessed it- assets.

Good point STR8UP, I should clarify. I'm speaking strictly of wealth CREATION, not wealth BUILDING. Wealth building is easy as hell if you do your due diligence. And yes, the ways you mentioned are the primary paths to wealth building. Wealth creation, on the other hand, is necessary for many people at first because they start out on the a**-end of capitalism. There is so much great information out there on how to build wealth, but it always assumes you have at least some cash to play with, or have the means to borrow it.

My paths assume that you are starting from scratch, with absolutely nothing. No collateral, no assets, no house, perhaps even some major debt. Because of this, everything I suggest would be a subset of your path 1. In other words… creating a business.

Provided one has no significant experience to back them (my path 3), they can't borrow that capital or the experience of others unless they've sold them (financial lenders, employees, and eventually their market) on the program they’ve created (my path 1). An alternative to this, for one who desires to learn the art of creating a business without the liability of inexperience, can do so by mastering the business model another has created (my path 2). Amway would fall into this category.

In the paths to creating a business I suggested, it takes a serious level of dedication, work and sacrifice that most people are unwilling to endure. We’re talking serious personal and professional growth. I think a lot of people become institutionalized by their work, long after the point at which they could have used the assets they’ve obtained or created to accumulate more wealth generating assets. But, to each his own choice.

So STR8UP, you are right. Acquisition of assets is the easiest, least labor intensive method of building wealth. It’s just hard as hell to acquire assets when you start with literal nothing. This is the frame of reference my paths come from.

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Some side notes here… Right now I’m creating a business using a well-proven company’s system in a highly stable industry. Although still in the early stages, what I’ve learned from the experience is priceless. The personal growth I’ve gone through has helped me in many areas of my life, including my game with women. Just thought I'd bring that up 'cause that's how we all ended up on this site at one point, right?

Also, don’t be so willing to discount Amway. It may be well past its market potential in America, but they continue to evolve and are cleaning up on the other side of the globe. Learn about the company’s origins and operations. Learn about the company from the other side of the coin… I’ve learned a tremendous amount from the Amway story. Yes, the world is fvcked up. It's all about programming minds. And hey, if that fails there's always cruise missiles, police, and consumer debt to back up the program.

 

[Climax]

Originally posted by MetalFortress
Dude, you'd be retired in five years if you started your OWN MLM. Working in one that's been around for decades isn't going to have you retired in five years, or twenty five.

Of course, I fully expect you to lie just like you already have in this thread.

Well if you dont believe me, then thats your own problem, but really, i couldn’t give a f*ck if you, or anyone here believes me.

Jvesti: I only spend about R200 (maybe R300 if you include petrol and phonebill) a month give or take, the R800 was a once off fee. So I make about R1000 profit per month atm, which is good considering I have only been in the business for about 3 - 4 weeks.

Anyways, I never posted it for you guys to try and find fault with what I am saying, I just told you guys because I was happy that i wasnt scammed and I wanted to share it with you guys. But hey, if being happy for me is too hard a thing to do, then so be it, I just wont let you guys know how things go any further.

 

[sifer]

Originally posted by Interpol
Finally, someone else around here who doesn't worship Kiyosaki as the second coming of Christ...

I dont' think anyone takes Kiyosaki as the coming of the Christ.

I just think you're bitter. You seem to refuse to accept the fact that it has helped some people.

 

[sifer]

Originally posted by RedPill

My paths assume that you are starting from scratch, with absolutely nothing. No collateral, no assets, no house, perhaps even some major debt. Because of this, everything I suggest would be a subset of your path 1. In other words… creating a business.

In the paths to creating a business I suggested, it takes a serious level of dedication, work and sacrifice that most people are unwilling to endure. We’re talking serious personal and professional growth. I think a lot of people become institutionalized by their work, long after the point at which they could have used the assets they’ve obtained or created to accumulate more wealth generating assets. But, to each his own choice.

So STR8UP, you are right. Acquisition of assets is the easiest, least labor intensive method of building wealth. It’s just hard as hell to acquire assets when you start with literal nothing. This is the frame of reference my paths come from.

It happens so that I am on that kind of path.

I have no credit, I don't think any 18 y/o come out having perfect credit and I don't think I have credit that I know of.

I have no job nor do I even have a high school degree.

I have absolutely no money either unless you're going to count my reserve which I'm using for food.

As STR8UP has said, most people are better off with a job; the leftover are the ones that will be willing to go through whatever it takes to win.

Even in college where kids major for MBA don't entirely know how to own their own business and create their own wealth.

If they were in my foot, most would never know what to do next.

Take for example, a textbook some college use, called Business by Pride, Hughes, and Kapoor.

The book is not geared toward starting your own business despite the fact that it talks about "Understanding the Management Process" and "Choosing a Form of Business Ownership", etcetc.

It's geared toward getting a job. They have a whole chapter geared toward getting a job, called "The Ultimate Job Hunter's Guidebook", and the preface say, "As authors, we are especially proud of this edition because these important changes were made with two goals in mind: Student Success and Great Teaching.

So where does it say "goal(s) in mind: Student's Financial Success/Your Financial Success"?

Nowhere, it conditions you to get a job, to learn to take orders, to be someone's slave making someone else rich.

The thing I can say is this, if you want to be rich and/or wealthy, and you want it bad enough but you do not know or have what it takes (such as motivating people or motivating yourself [more important than motivating people imo] or time management, etcetc), you must decondition yourself and restart all over and learn to lead people and lead yourself, learn to manage everything around you.

Everyone CAN get rich and wealthy, but not everyone really wants to work.