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Well, he sounds like an a$$hole.

Your case is a good example of an immature man and a counter-example against female-favoring courts.

There are fvcktards out there who deserve to be screwed over.

The problem is that there are also many good, honorable men who have been screwed by our legal policies in a divorce.

I'm a living example of the impact this has had on marriage-age men in the U.S.
 

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Originally posted by Flogger
Well, he sounds like an a$$hole.

Your case is a good example of an immature man and a counter-example against female-favoring courts.

There are fvcktards out there who deserve to be screwed over.

The problem is that there are also many good, honorable men who have been screwed by our legal policies in a divorce.

I'm a living example of the impact this has had on marriage-age men in the U.S.
Oh, I know that there are plenty of men who have been screwed over. The point I'm trying to stress is that there are plenty of women who have been screwed over too. After my experience...even if I were to find the absolute perfect man I still would be hard pressed to ever get married again. Rope, duct tape, choroform and force...that's what it would take. My 14 year old is my youngest child with my ex husband. He's almost 15. Only a little over 3 more years and I will never have to deal with my ex again...and I can't wait.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
Oh, I know that there are plenty of men who have been screwed over. The point I'm trying to stress is that there are plenty of women who have been screwed over too. After my experience...even if I were to find the absolute perfect man I still would be hard pressed to ever get married again.
Point taken.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire

Today's men feel just as entitled as today's women do. Today's men are just as selfish as today's women are. Today's men are just as lazy as today's women are. Today's men are just as irresponsible as today's women are. Today's men, just like today's women want something for nothing, feel entitled to have everything handed to them on a silver platter and don't think they have to work and earn a damn thing.
It was demigraphics that provided insight on this matter for me.

If you take a Westernized male outside of his country, he can easily marry any girl in the world provided he can meet her on a language/cultural level. American Husbands are the most desired in the world. "That is because they make the most money!!" True. But they are also the nicest, less likely to cheat on their wives compared to other countries.

If you take a Westernized female outside of her country, she would forever be alone. So I asked recent immigrants to go take up the American women I was avoiding and they went, "No! No no no no no Mr. Pook!!! We want American Dream, no want American women." American wives are generally seen as the world's worst wives. They take the most and give the least. American men have options, American women do not.

If sex was money, then American women could be said to be inflated and headed for a correction. To single girls (I know) who, when talking, will mention they are tired of being single, I tell them to emulate foreign women in personality and feminity (if she did this, she could get any man in America). But she does not have enough sense to do this or even consider it. All she does to 'get a man' is to 'work out' and be 'pretty'. When they base all their efforts on that (and instead of say character), they become expendible since every girl has the same body parts.

Many women lack connection to reality. This is why re-engineering your life to satisfy women (rather than yourself) will backfire.

Finances- Financially, it is best to limit liabilities and create assets, especially passive income. 99% of women have no grasp of this. She judges finances on materialism and not time. She will think wealth is a new convertible instead of a stock portfolio. She will think going into massive debt to buy a huge house is better than renting out a house to someone else. If she has some sense, she will 'save'. But she will never invest. Most men remain poor because of their wives. They must buy the big house, with two new cars, replaced each couple of years, and with multiple vacations a year. Many women do not grasp the basic nature of finance. They believe wealth is deappreciated things rather than income producing assets.

Status- What most women value for status should be considered red flags. I have witnessed people go into overcrowded professions such as law or media and wonder why in the world they did that. To women, professions in, say, mass production or manufacturing just do not exist, even though they help the world go round.

There are times to be single, and times when not to be. Every time a guy is single, he is considered 'sad' who has 'women problems' while a woman who is single is considered 'strong' or 'independent' who is 'picky'.

A good example is professional writing. A woman who wants to be a writer asks how to get there. Professional writers tell her, "You must lock yourself in a room and write every single day." They are shocked by this. "You mean, I have to be in a room by myself? And that I have to work on it every day?" She is more interested in being a 'writer' than actually writing.

When I go out to eat, I am interested in paying for the food rather than paying for the 'atmosphere' of the place. I am perfectly satisfied going to truck stops or Mom and Pop type restaurants where the place (though clean) looks like hell, I get some darn good food. But most women I run into would prefer 'fancy' places where you pay for the 'environment' and get poor food. Why? Because it satisfies their sense of status.

We all know the easiest way to get a girl is to have other girls like you. Women are suckers for status. It is good for pick ups but bad for life-long purposes.

In womens' world, men do not exist. Men are to women almost a bit higher level than their cats (though this is debatable. She will pet the cat every night, rarely her man). Women seek to impress other women, to get other women's envy. A woman would be bored to tears in a male only harem.

I hear occassionally of the wife exclaiming with joy that her husband got a new job and is making so much new money (or even lost weight!). Yet, I have never heard of a guy who comes in saying his wife lost 50 pounds, looks hot, and his sex life is sky rocketing (usually it sky rockets only if there is something she wants bought).

Men ought to act in their own best self-interest. If you do not want to go out and be 'social', then don't regardless what 'women' say. If you want to be single and do your own thing, do it, regardless whether women call you 'gay' or 'sad' or whatever. If you want to work in a lower paying job you enjoy rather than a nasty higher paying job you hate, do it despite what women say. If you have a choice of going on a date or reading a book you like, read the book. It's cheaper and educates you more.

It's your life that must be lived. I am sick and tired of people living their lives based on what other people want, be they women, their parents, their church, their friends, and even people on the Internet.

We are in a pseudo Greek Silver Age where we all live as children then rapidly age and die. To heck with growing up or taking risks. Lets all just live the life of a child with no work or responsibility. Let both men and women focus on attractiveness of bodies and charms and let our minds and souls narrow and rot. Then we all will believe that every generation before was stupid and worthless, that all History is a waste, that Literature a bunch of words, and Math to be "too hard". Instead, let us watch TV and movies all day, read fantasy books that do not challenge our world, and totally suspend reality to exist in a realm of hyper-reality where everyone is atomized, bump into each other purely for sex, and cheer the magnificent rantings of Oprah.
 

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Pook...I am an attractive anti-feminist woman who is easy to get along with, loves sex so much I've only ment one man who was able to keep up with me and I'm not greedy, selfish, materialistic, etc. I don't care how much a man makes or what kind of car he drives. When I'm with a man I spoil him rotten. Based on what you say I should have found one of these wonderful American men who would do right by me. I hate to break it to you...but American men are just as defective as American women are for the reasons I stated...people in general are selfish, lazy, irresponsible, want to take, take, take without giving and want something for nothing.

Okay...I have to go get ready for my 3rd shift manufacturing job. Oh, and that career does "exist" to quite a few women because most of the guys I work with are married. ;-)
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
I hate to break it to you...but American men are just as defective as American women are for the reasons I stated...people in general are selfish, lazy, irresponsible, want to take, take, take without giving and want something for nothing.
Ahem...

THE TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT YOU!!

Western women are limited to the Westernized men in their own countries.

Western men are not as they have options all over the world.

Demigraphics > Personal observation
 

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Wyldfire, I agree with your perspective, completely!

To all...

American men are just as defective as American women. The problem lies with neither sex directly, but rather in an imbalance between states of masculinity and femininity.

One sexuality will always reflect the other. Sexuality seems to demand balance, even if the state of balance is poor and uncoordinated. There will always be a certain harmony, even if the idea of harmony is in disharmony.

Sounds paradoxical? Hardly. Why? Because of compensation! The miscoordination between sexes, though it remains standing, simply creates drag and undue impulses in the function of sexuality, which pulls it down.

Sexuality is a whole. It is one 'body'. And to look at it as seperate entities is to divorce nature, and lead the thread to chaos.

One sex will always compensate the other! If one is faulty, so is the other. That is a law of being human. And that is the law of sexuality, whether that be the individuals, or genders as a culture.

All criticism seems to be a manifestation of the self. And I notice this applies readily to cross gender b!tching and condemnation. Guys who complain about a woman's state of femininity are really exposing their own state of masculinity. And vice versa.

Because one guy's state of masculinity will always attract a woman with a harmonizing state of femininity, a guy's experience with women is always perceived through the filter of his own masculinity.

A man's perception of women will always depend on the state of his manhood. And the like goes for women; their perception of men will always be founded on their own state of womanhood.

The dynamic in a man's interactions with women will always be a result of his own balance. He can only attract women with similar (or worse) balance. And all women with unharmonious balance will elude him. The same must go for women too.

Men! Thus, first seek to balance yourselves. When your masculinity is in a state of balance, you will attract women with a balanced state of femininity. And repel all women with imbalanced sexualities.

Why spend endless time exploring what you want to avoid, when you could explore who you are? For when you know who you are, you realize what it is that you truly want and need. There, you discover and manifest harmony and freedom!

!GEORGE GORDON!
 

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Originally posted by Pook
Ahem...

THE TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT YOU!!

Western women are limited to the Westernized men in their own countries.

Western men are not as they have options all over the world.

Demigraphics > Personal observation
IT'S DEMOGRAPHICS


I'm usually not a grammar nazi, but I really can't stand to see the same 6th-grade vocabulary word mispelled repeatedly, especially by someone as haughty as you.
 
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I have to laugh at this thread...

Ever watch little boys and girls argue about who's better?

Now picture the little boy in the arguement as Stewie from Family Guy... that's what we have here.
 

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Originally posted by h a r d a s s
I have to laugh at this thread...

Ever watch little boys and girls argue about who's better?

Now picture the little boy in the arguement as Stewie from Family Guy... that's what we have here.
You're so right. I honestly busted out laughing when I read that.


and oh yeah...

blow me
 

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Originally posted by al77
I believe the main reason for high divorce rates in America is that more women can earn more money, get a better job and feel independent from men.
So if a woman have a high paying job, she will not settle for a guy who earns significantly less no matter how much competition she has: if she has money\job, she doesn't need a man anymore.
What we have right now is women will have more and more opportunities to get better jobs, and divorce rate will always go up. So probably marriages will become non-existent in the near future in US.
I don't disagree with this, but I see it from a different angle and it begs for further discussion.

Women may feel independent from men. I doubt this is a new feeling historically and culturally. I can't prove that other than relying on the observation that such things rarely change in us as a species, if ever. And I would cite the converse as true without contradiction: women need men and men need women, regardless of income status, in a fashion that remains unchanged from when we were the proudest knuckle-draggers on the planet. I witness my 20 and 30-something year old friends (especially women) who at some point make getting married a serious issue. The ones who don't are a substantial minority. Income level is an inconsequential factor. I would cite the multi-multi-billion dollar wedding industry as evidence. Up to the point women get serious about marriage (anywhere between age 5 and 35) they may say all kinds of things suggesting they're fully independent. Most don't, though. An unmarried woman pays a high social and emotional price the longer this goes on. It isn't financial independence that is the culprit here, there are biological considerations (expressed socially) that can't be changed in our racial makeup in a mere 40 years.

I don't think it is a necessarily on point that a woman with a high paying job doesn't need a man anymore. I would think the more accurate statement is that such a dominant and successful woman seeks out a stronger, more successful and dominant man. The basic rule is that a stong woman seeks out a stronger man. Wusses are generally villified by both men and women in all cases at all times - by this I refer to the immediate emotional response you'll notice from people when they're not covering up with some politically correct statement made for show.

Such a dominant successful woman's pickings are slim, of course, unless she is one who needs to dominate her men (not uncommon but rarer than we think -- we tend to over-dramatize this on sosuave, imho...)

I could be wrong but I think anthropologists are finding that the divorce rate remains constant historically and culturally - freakishly so. Our (US or the west) divorce laws just recognize the obvious and allow it to be measured without covering it up or creating a forced reality by outlawing divorce, etc. (kinda like China that for decades had no gays, drug addicts or capitalists because they defined them out of existence and didn't count them - reality is far different.)

Disraeli's comment ("there are lies, damned lies, and statistics") remains more true the more I see statistics used to influence perception (especially political perception). The "rising divorce rate" perception is one such example.

I had the article on that somewhere. If I find it I'll post it.

The main point is that we have this perception of "rising divorce rates" or rampant divorce and that things are now all screwed up. Human beings being creatures (read: animals) of habit and response are -- all of a sudden! -- we're changed and now divorcing each other willy nilly-??? I doubt it. It takes more than 40 years to make fundamental changes like that.

We just had better ways of covering it up in the past. Divorce laws keep us more honest, imo. Most people don't like that. My response: tough shyt, grow up and get used to it and stop making excuses or living in fantacy-land.

Wait for tens of thousands of years (and even that's quick) and maybe I'll listen to that argument that we as a species have changed. Right now I don't see it.
 
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Originally posted by Pook
Ahem...

THE TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT YOU!!

Western women are limited to the Westernized men in their own countries.

Western men are not as they have options all over the world.

Demigraphics > Personal observation
The topic is about American women...which I happen to be one of...so it is, indeed "about me". Bottom line...until the guys on here stop blaming women for their failures and misfortunes in life and start taking responsibility for their choices they aren't going to make much progress. I could write a book about my complaints about some men based on my own experiences but what good would that do me? What good would it do for me to complain about men to other women? Would it help my situation or help them? Hell no...it would just make me angry, make other women angry and cause even more problems between men and women. All this complaining about women on this site isn't helping anyone here. There aren't a whole heck of a lot of women reading this forum so complaining to each other about women is kinda pointless. Maybe more consideration needs to be placed in the things you all CAN control (yourselves) instead of things you CAN'T control (the behavior of women).
 

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The reason good deal of woman are "evil" is because good deal of men don't know how to deal with them. You don't see a lot of men who are independent from woman and who relay on their own life to make them happy instead of a woman.... They give the woman the power to be get out of line and cause trouble. They put up with thir bull**** when they should be taking charge of their lives and stand up for them selfs. Of cores the media and society has a great rolle in this situation.

As many "evil" woman there are, there is as meny men. Just think, you got; thug wanabes, liers, matcho men who can't keep their additude in check, wussy men who don't have a clue about life, white trash drunks who come home and beat their wives and children, STUBORN MEN who refuse to see all sides of a coin, men who refuse their responsability, emotional men who may as well get a transplant........

Bottom line is; Things will change when enough men stand up and say to the world; thats enough of that sh1t. Once there is enough men who start focusing on their own happiness, on their own enviroment, things will start to change. We got all hapy when the woman started to putout, so now they got us by the balls, unless we get the focus and attention back on "qality woman" things will stay the same.

(which gives me an idea to start a chain letter to all men and spread the word:D )
 

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let me tell you guys a true story

A while back a friend had this happen to him and he told me this story.

My wife and I were heading for divorce pretty quickly. We tried councilling and all that other jazz. So my wife went to the lawyers and said that she wanted a divorce. The lawyer was just about to go on vacation and told her that "I'm about to go on vacation but if you want to make him suffer. Treat him like a king. Cook his favorite foods, give him great sex, give him everything he ever wanted so when you leave he will want you back more and more everyday." She thought about it and said "Alright, I'll give this a try."

So she went home and cooked up his favorite food, Pasta. He came home and was like "Hmmm... this is interesting. She never did this before." So he ate it and tried to help clean up. She told him no and to go watch the football game in the living room. He was a little bit wary about this because how she was acting before and now was completely different.

The next day, she made up another favorite food and he ate it. They went back to the bedroom and had wild sex. She was treating him like a king. He was loving it.

This happened for another three or four nights and the husband was getting very happy and he thought to himself "Wait a minute, my wife has been treating me so nice and I haven't done anything for her." So the next day, he has delivered a dozen roses to her while he is at work. She is loving it because of how sweet it is.

The next day, she treats him very nicely, this time with starting to get rid of the fake persona of wanting to divorce her husband. He in turns, before leaving for work, places $50 on the dresser and says "Buy whatever you want with it."

This continues happening with the romancing and everything. She runs into the lawyer a month later and they begin to talk. The lawyer asks "Do you still want that divorce?" She answers "No but thank you. You saved our marriage and I don't ever want it to go back to the way it was."

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I have no idea why I am posting this at all because I have no idea anymore on why I wanted to post it. Maybe someone could get a nugget of knowledge from this post.
 

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I would like to add...

Originally posted by Wyldfire
The topic is about American women...which I happen to be one of...so it is, indeed "about me".
I think the anger (or disappointment in us) that Wyldfire is experiencing is somewhat justified.

Somewhat.

She's right. We should be concentrating on ourselves. Any energy expended on garbage women could be better used on self improvement.

On the other hand, it was posts like this, that helped me get rid of some of my AFC-leaning attitudes about women when I found this site a few years ago.

Like I was when I first found this board, I am sure there are many registered users who do not post, but get just as much out of the banter on this board as those who actually post.

I had to read Pook's "********" posts to understand that, in general, women "speak with forked tongue". I had to take women off of the pedestal. I had to understand that AS A GROUP, they were more flawed than men, AS A GROUP. Through the reading of Anti-Dump, Pook, PRL, Player Supreme, etc., I began to realize that most of the stuff that I had learned about women was false or biased.

examples:
"Boys are harder to potty-train than girls."
"Girls are more socially oriented than boys."
"Men never ask for directions when they're lost."
"Women are better at investing because they're better planners/don't take big risks."
"Women make better small biz owners because they're better with money."
"Girls mature faster than boys."
"Women are cleaner than men."
And let us not forget one of the most famous:
"Sugar and spice and everything nice, that's what little girls are made of. Snips and snails and puppy dog tails, that's what little boys are made of."

I'll bet you there are a lot of men here who have heard (at your job, in class, newspaper, TV, whatever) this kind of info. Why is it that we know these things men?

Of course, I could make the list longer, but you get my drift. And before anyone starts picking that list apart saying things like, "I have a son/I have many sons/I work in daycare/I genetically engineer boys in my basement and I know for a fact that boys are harder to potty-train than girls! Ha Ha! Take that!!" I'm referring to the smug "See-men-are-inferior-to-women" look on a person's face that usually accompanies the potty-training statement.

Please don't pick this list apart and make fools out of all of us. The list is there to illuminate the fact that many users here need some of the beliefs about women to be torn down. Then they'll read, "Be a Man" or "Kill that Desparation" But they aren't going to respond to the post. They'll just read it. They'll change. They'll date real women. They'll become men.


Chris Rock said in "Bring the Pain" that there was "a civil war going on between black people and ni@@as. And ni@@as have GOT TO GO! Everytime black people want to do something, ignorant a$$ ni@@as want to fu** it up!"

Every black person I know agrees with this. We shouldn't have to be lumped in a group with these idiots, just because we share a skin color and some aspects of our culture. Should I, a Taye Diggs/Denzel/Tiger type be lumped in with the 50 Cent crowd?

There should be a bit of separation. Do you see where I'm going with this?

I've dated quite a few white women. Even when I was in high (private) school, when I went to some of my guy friends homes to spend the night or have dinner, after the parents got to know me, they like me, and find out that I'm one of the "good ones" you know what happens?...they practically OFFER their daughters to me. (And these are the kind of people who would not generally have their daughters dating black guys.) But I'm pretty charming, and I'm usually the best guy their daughter has even had a chance at dating, white, black or otherwise.

My point is this:
Attention all American women!!
Break the bonds of solidarity with women who aren't worth anything. Spearhead the national dialogue back to a place where there is a marked difference between a virtuous woman and a wh0re. Between a giver and a taker. Everybody stop with the "every woman is beautiful/goddess/wonderful" rhetoric. (Not that people in this thread say things like that) And saying that "some women are good and some are bad" in passing without being specific isn't enough. Take a stand, women. You go call that woman a wh0re before I get a chance to. Point her out to me. Draw a line in the G0DD@MNED sand!! Make it simple for my male brain. Don't tell your little boys to respect ALL women. Tell them to respect the good ones and abhor the bad ones. Let the garbage women realize that they will no longer have their ways validated by American society. Let them change their ways or never find a man to procreate with. It's not fair that you get lumped in with all of these $hit women. They are different than you.
 

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sky...yes, men get sent messages like you mentioned. However, men aren't alone in receiving those negative messages. Women get them too. It's no easier being a woman than it is being a man. We all have things to deal with that are equally as difficult, frustrating and sometimes painful. Blaming and hating on each other never brought about anything good...
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
Bottom line...until the guys on here stop blaming women for their failures and misfortunes in life and start taking responsibility for their choices they aren't going to make much progress.
This holds true through all aspects of life. I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think it's "the chicken or the egg" situation. Women generally feel the need to push the balance in their direction due to some sort of need to feel powerful, and men are simply reacting.

I am a successful and reasonably attractive guy, but for some reason 99.9% of the women I meet have some sort of vendetta against men. They feel as though women have taken a back seat for long enough, a feeling which they project in their words and actions. Not blatantly, for the most part. But enough to keep me from considering any type of a long term relationship with them.

I don't have a problem with women. My only issue is that most women don't care to recognize or acknowledge the fact that there is a natural balance in a relationship that is upset when a woman tries to have her cake and eat it too.

I don't get into fruitless arguments about how relationships should be and this and that. I simply protest by refusing to become tied down in a relationship where I will always feel like there is a power struggle.

To be honest, I doubt I will ever marry an American woman. When I was in eastern Europe I observed how women seem to know their strengths and weaknesses. They allow the men to keep what American women perceive as "the power", and in exchange they are treated with respect and dignity for contributing to the relationship and family what they can best contribute in an unselfish manner.

When I was there I also noticed how feminine the women are. They don't walk aound thinking they are men, and it shows in the way they carry themselves. I absolutely LOVE a feminine woman.

The bottom line is this. Until I manage to run across an American girl who realizes that a relationship isn't about seeing who can one-up the other, I will remain very happily single.
 

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Str8up...again, I think what you are saying is true, but it also applies to men in much the same way. Men want to "have their cake and eat it too" just as much as women do. The problem isn't with one gender...the problem is that people are selfish, greedy, lazy and simply aren't willing to invest any time or effort into acquiring anything...even something of quality. All the things I see the men here complain about regarding women...I see the exact same types of things in men. It has made me vehemently opposed to marriage as well.
 

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I think there is a rather simple point to this thread.

And that is, American women are screwed.


Combine these observations:

a. High perceived value of American husbands in a global market

b. Falling desirability of American women
(fatter, less feminine, with indefinitely postponed adulthoods). (Yes, men are fatter, less masculine, and also have postponed adulthoods.)

c. High financial and emotional risk that comes with a (likely) divorce

d. More contact between American men and women who do not (yet) suffer from a loss of desirability


.....

Unless you can change #1, the state of American men is largely irrelevant.

But American men also suffer, because the closest and most familiar potential mates are losing their value. This makes the search for one more time-consuming and frustrating. There's anecdotal evidence for that in this thread, in other posts, and elsewhere in life.
 
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