Originally posted by Pook
Self-interest isn't a female feature, it is a Human one. But Feminism has nothing to do with honesty.
You're right...wrong choice of words...I should have said that women feel like there is less to lose by being more demanding. Feeling that way does tend to make them more open about what they don't like.
As the saying goes, it is not American women but women in America. The difference between Western Nations and non-Western nations is that the traditional controls or elements of shame have been removed in the West.
Too much emphasis on "American" women. Canadian, British and Israeli women (as well as a few other nationalities) are FAR worse than American women in regards to how demanding they are. Talk to some men from Israel and ask them how miserable the women there tend to be.
The primary purpose of Feminism was to let ugly women have more access to society. The secondary purpose of Feminism was to remove shame of female behavior. This is why if you meet a young feminist today, she is often tatooted, 'bisexual', and has a string of guys. She can do anything she wants except to force a guy to marry her. But they are working on this too.
I don't agree with you here. Although feminism was eventually used in that manner...it wasn't the initial goal. It began because women wanted the right to vote and own land. The beginning goals were admirable and fair. Somewhere along the lines those admirable goals went awry. Basically, it didn't stop at equality...it went for unfair advantage and continues to do so today.
This is not true and is a popular feminist line. Women chant this almost unconsciously.
Actually...this is very true...and I'm a walking example of it. If I were living 50 years ago I most likely would have stayed with my abusive ex husband because it would have been very difficult for me to provide for my 4 children if I left him. I would not have had as many choices. Let's face facts...not all men are good husbands, just like not all women are good wives. It's pretty equal between men and women as far as not being as good a marriage partner as they could or should be. Yes, women have an unfair legal advantage when divorce happens but men are not as innocent as many here would insiste them to be. Both men and women have their downsides...they always have and always will.
Outside of the West, and outside of Islamic dominated communities, women can live by themselves. The difference however is that there are more controls on female behavior. In many of these nations the community is much tightly knit, the woman (and man) are ensnared with duties. These controls could be found more in place on women in the West seventy years ago. Talk your elders and you will find this was so.
Are you talking about the more traditional gender roles? The women from foreign countries only stay that way if they stay in their home country. Bring them to the US and they change. I used to work with a whole bunch of Asian women and they were far more controlling, biotchier and more greedy than American women. One of them was married to another guy who I worked with and he was the most henpecked wussie I've ever seen. She was on his butt all the time. He worked in my area and she was over there at least 5 times throughout the day giving him orders. You know what they say...the grass is always greener...but once you get on the other side it's not much greener afterall. ;-)
The question is not whether it is easier or not to "deal with". Dealing with women is easy. But dealing with prejudices, biases, and the law is not. The 'players' have not realized this, as they are drunk on their own egos, but dealing with women is not the issue.
Agreed...and unfortunately, most women don't realize just how unfair it is for men. I make a point to talk about this issue with other women and when I point out how difficult it is for men in this aspect the majority of women drop their jaw and really think about it and get this "Oh my God" look on their face as if a lightbulb just went off over their head. You'd think it was obvious to women...but it's really not. I attribute that to the fact that most women tend to be pretty self-absorbed. They can't help it...it's just how most women are.
The issue is corporate women sleeping with the boss, getting promoted, or just plain brown-nosing and using their sexuality to control male bosses. This is a problem, as much due to female behavior as with Western male wussiness.
I wouldn't say it was "male wussiness" Pook. It's female AND male selfishness. The woman wants the promotion at all costs and the man wants a piece of tail at all costs. Either could simply say "No"...but their greedy self interest gets in the way. Tit for tat...
The issue is that men and women are equal under the law except women are 'more' equal. What legal rights over reproduction do men hold? None. What benifets versus liabilities do men and women hold according to marriage? Marriage gives men no legal benifets and only liabilities whereas it gives women all legal benifets and no liabilities. There is absolutely no reason for a male to get married today. Why buy the woman when you can lease?
I feel the same way about marriage. I often say it would take an amazing man, duct tape, rope and chloroform to ever get me to the altar again...and I'd be kicking and screaming the whole way. Women do have liabilities in marriage...I sure did. My ex husband totally destroyed my credit. I had good credit when we first got married. His irresponsibility ruined it. Bottom line...if a man or a woman chooses the wrong partner they're going to get screwed. And honestly...even family court isn't as bad as many men claim. My ex husband physically assaulted our 14 year old son and was thrown in jail for it. He still has a criminal case. I had let our son go live with him because my son wanted to try it. My son wants no contact with his father any more. The judge of family court keeps insisting that his father's rights to visitation are just as important as my son's safety and emotional well-being. Clearly in THIS case, my son's well being and safety should come first. It yet remains to be seen if it will.
Female nature is universal. What is not universal is the control and corruption. Just as a man with unbridled legal power often falls into corruptness, so too can females dealt with the same power. For example, many couples that I have seen married has the woman genuinely in love with the man. But as times passes, she realizes she has all the legal benifets and he has none.
Human beings are either honest or not...gender doesn't really matter here, either. It's pretty equal. It's just much easier to see the negative in the other sex.
But this is all good. It is a correction. It is good to see men testing their children to see if they are actually theirs (and hilariously laugh that the media finds paternity testing to be bad in itself).
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20050811/hl_hsn/manydadsunknowinglyraisingotherskids
I think they should just make paternity tests mandatory and routine whenever a baby is born. It's better for relationships that way. Trust is imperative in any relationship, so if the man demands a paternity test it does a lot of damage to the relationship. At the same time, men do have the right to know for sure a child is theirs. They shouldn't have to damage their relationship to appease any doubts they have. I would be terribly offended if a man demanded a paternity test. It would tell me that he did not trust me and I'm a firm believer that if you don't have trust, you don't have anything worth staying in. This is what is bad about asking for a test. If it were made mandatory and routine then the man would know and the woman wouldn't be offended at him asking.
For each previous generation, men fell back and let women get away with their behavior. So, unsurprisingly, each generation of women keeps pushing the line. Well, it has gone too far. As demigraphics show, more and more men are becoming players and less are willing to buy the skank sandwich. This is good.
And isn't the same true of men? C'mon Pook...the problem is with society as a whole. Yes, women get more and more miserable with each generation, but so do the men. While the women are out marathon shopping, slacking on the housework and cooking, sticking their kids in daycare and working the guys are boning the secretary, buying very expensive toys, drinking too much, maybe dabbling in some drugs, hanging out with the guys, ignoring their kids and wives and not doing anywhere near as good a job of providing for their family as their grandfathers did. People are selfish, self-absorbed and lazy. That's what it all boils down to.
Forums like these are unnatural. It is no surprise to see it dominated by people in the West, whose men are wussified and women lacking all legal or moral controls.
Of course it's dominated by people in Westernized countries...those Third World countries don't have broadband, silly...hehe.
I just got done working 3rd shift...pardon any typos, messed up sentence structure or otherwise.
Dude...you know I hate feminism probably more than anyone else on this forum...but you're too damn smart to not be able to see that PEOPLE in general are the problem...not just one gender. None of us are without fault...you and I included...even if we ARE damn near freaking perfect. ;-)
