Am I being a total pu$$y right now?

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Ah, so according to backbreaker, anyone who doesnt "spin plates" is an AFC virgin who reads cosmo. Oh, really? Dont make me laugh. The day you attract 90% of the women you encounter WITHOUT TRYING is the day you can tell me **** about what works and doesnt. Youre also one of those guys who says looks arent that important. I'd love to prove you wrong on this account, as well. Though, the two go hand in hand. Just one day with you... Please...

I couldnt care less what Pook said, either. Unlike you, I'm not a worthless follower who listens to what some dip**** says, and praises him like a God. Much like all those losers who worship Mystery, and his stupid advice. Ha Ha. I have my own success, and always did. Never asked for help; only offered advice.

By the way, the only one who's wrong (and stupid and weak and simple-minded) is you.

P.S. **** you.
 

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And actually, the most effective way to get laid frequently, and with many women - if thats your gig - is to jump from one girl to the next, move in very quickly, get in and get out, charm and bang, strike when the iron is hot, etc, etc. Thats the best time - in those first few encounters. Theyre always up for it if you play it right. Thats also when the attraction level is at its highest - with an exciting new prospect. Youre also able to put on a fake, charming, sexy act more effectively. But thats not my thing, so its not the advice I give. This is how "bad boys" do it, and it does work. The women get head-****ed because they dont realize the guy just wants sex, isnt being real, and jerks them around for as long as its allowed to continue. They dont realize whats going on, but are intrigued by the challenge. And thats when they fall for their trap, and become obsessed. ***** on demand if all goes properly.

Either way, swimming in ***** doesnt mean ****, and is rather easy to do. But not by spinning plates. So, youre still wrong, and dont know anything. :nono:
 

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I appreciate and read everyones post, from there I use my personal judgment and apply that to the situation. Backbreaker Has helped me achieve success with this situation ten fold.

We seem to be going back and forth with "spinning plates" being good/bad. I understand everyone has there own opinion and own personal success and tips for picking up broads but for me personally, spinning multiple plates IS the answer to my specific situation.

Everything you all posted really sunk into my ****ing head last night. I went out to one of the top hollywood clubs last night and it hit me like a brick wall. There are sooooooo many ****ing broads out there, that obsessing over 1 girl is seriously ****ing ridiculous. I got 2 numbers last night with ease. Now whether I call them/or they even answer when I call is a different story, but who gives a ****.

I realized I was developing a serious case of one-i-tis. I have been on "vacation" from work for a week, friends have been busy, so I had nothing to do but to think about this one broad. Last night WOKE ME ASS UP!

Really for those in my similar situation you HAVE to spin multiple plates. Regardless if you think its good/bad you have to. It really is the key to helping you (mentally) better yourself and truly develop that indifferent "I really don't care what the outcome is with this girl," attitude.

Eventually when the right one comes along like Backbreaker said, make her butt work for it. Let HER be the one who shows you that she is worth being exclusive with. I feel that really is the key to a long lasting healthy LTR.

Anyway that was my inspirational ramble of the day lol. I am still curious if this girl is going to hit me up next week and tell me some crazy ridiculous excuse for going off the map, but even if she does I really do have a better mindset now were if she does great, ill try to hit it again. If not, oh well I already hit it, she is clearly not LTR material, on to the next.

We shall see what happens men!
 

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While spinning plates does not reach ALL of the core issues of the AFC, it is an invaluable too for teaching one to reject the scarcity mindset, oneitis, clingingess, and neediness. Not to mention getting as much experience as possible as quickly as possible. Which are reasons why most people come to this site. So every AFC really should try spinning plates.
great post and i agree.

spinning plates are like AA meetings. starting off, you need them everyday. 90 meetings in 90 days is the mantra in AA.

the more clean time you get, the more normal you become, you don't have to do it everyday but it still helps to go to a few now and then. if i were single today i don't HAVE to spin plates, in other words i'm not going to go out of my way to spin plates that i would not be spinning. let me rephrase, i would be spinning plates even with 1 plate, but i would not go out of my way tom ake sure i had more than 1 today i really dont' give a ****. i'm fine single. i can keep my current mindset while being single. today i would not takl to hb 7's just to add a plate to the roster. i'm not going to go out activally looking to make 3-4 x plates i'm too busy. but if i ran into 2-3 girls that wanted to be plates, it's game on.

I think what i am trying to say about floyd's advice.. look i got 7 years and 10 months clean time in AA. the new guy comes in and look at what i do i imght got a meeting once a week and they want to do that and say hey look that's lal you have to do is want to be clean you don't have to actually go to meetings and all this bull**** everyday. what that new guy rails to reialze is that, i was once, exactly where he was and when i was, i went to meetings everyday lol. in other words, when you are new, in recovery, from either women or drugs, youd ont' have the luxury about caring what is or is not convenient. today i am watching the bama game. there is a meeting this time. **** it lol. i'm gonna be fine. but if you got a month clean you dont' have the luxury to say **** it. the ability to say **** it is something that is earned, if that makes sense.

in short, the ability to want to or not want to spin plates is not a theological choice, it's a choice that you earn by going through the process

whereas the newbie, he really does not need to be dating at all without plate spinning or he will go back to old habits.

Of course, it has its problems. Its impossible for anyone who works 60+ hours per week to do without severely neglecting other important aspects of life. It can be a new way of pedestaling women(plural now instead of just one woman). It is a fine line between spinning plates and cheating. Also it does mimic the psychopathic strategy to avoid being hurt which is not good.
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this is what i am trying to say. and i talk about AA alot beucase the similarities between the 2 are unreal in how it all works.

starting off, getting over your oneitis /AFC ism is not a part time job. it's not something you are goign to read an article or read a few threads and just get. it's gonna take some work. in other words, yeah it's inconvenient, but do you realize on a daily basis just how inconveinent AFCism is? my old business partner hired a girl he wanted to ****, for no other reason than he wanted to **** her and paid her about 50% mroe than going rate.. that was a 15k is decision a year. or the time he took her overseas and spent all his money on her and still didn't get any. or the amount of money and time i spent chasing my oneitis, years and thousands. or the amount of time i spent waiting around for girls, or hte emotional hurt that came from being hurt by girl after girl.

or not doing something you want to do because you think girls are going to be somewhere else and you hope someone will look at you.

AFCism isn't just about having sex. that's like saying drug addiction is just about doing drugs. AFCism is about getting your life back. to be able to make decisions like an normal person that aren't ***** based. to not be driven by the need for ***** or a woman. to not be hurt and lose productivity over a woman's decisions.

i can't speak for anyone else but it got that bad to me, where even with running a business, i had to make time to get this. enough was enough.
 
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BB: Fair enough; thanks for clarifying. I took your original response as a personal attack. But it makes sense in the way you described. There are multiple methods, I suppose. Just didnt see the other perspective, or where an AFC newcomer would be in terms of advancement. I think we sometimes assume that everyone is on the same wave-length, so that makes sense to get them on a higher level, and become naturally more attractive and well-rounded. Didnt look at it that way.

I guess we wont have to box, afterall. :cool:
 

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spiegel549 said:
I literally ****ed over 70 girls a year for 4 years.
Wow, assuming you were on the ship every single day for a year, that's a new woman every 5 days. Assuming you had a more normal cruise schedule of, say, 6 months working out of a year, that's about 3 new women every week. I'm surprised you had any time for actual work. :crackup:

And after having sex with "over" 280 women, I would think you'd know how to handle this one better than you did.
 

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And after having sex with "over" 280 women, I would think you'd know how to handle this one better than you did.
But none of those were long-term. Cruises have a finite set of time built in, so he could screw a girl then never see her again.

As a result, while he may have game (or not even need game) at sleeping with girls, the cruise experience didn't allow him to practice doing things that would keep a girl around long-term. I'd say I feel sorry for him but... 280 women? Eh, only slightly empathetic, lol :up:
 

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Harry Wilmington said:
But none of those were long-term. Cruises have a finite set of time built in, so he could screw a girl then never see her again.

As a result, while he may have game (or not even need game) at sleeping with girls, the cruise experience didn't allow him to practice doing things that would keep a girl around long-term. I'd say I feel sorry for him but... 280 women? Eh, only slightly empathetic, lol :up:
Contracts were in 10 month sets.

Like Harry said, I was a "celebrity," does Brad Pitt need game to pick up women? He can probably just point at a woman and point at his **** and she would start blowing him lol.

The cruise was like that. 3000 people get on sunday, does a full 1 week cruise then everyone gets off, ship gets cleaned, 3000 new people back on sunday again.

I never got to really get good at "relationship game." because I would meet a girl that was in this "I am on vacation what ever happens happens!" mode. Don't get me wrong I have dated plenty of girls but as far as my LTR's I have a record of 2. lol....

I am learning a ton from this site and all of you. I am looking forward to applying what I have learned like I have been, and continuing to see success.

Overall I am trying to better my mindset so when a new woman comes into my life I handle it appropriately and not get all AFC.
 

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ehhh I'm still not buying it. When you're on a 3 week cruise and have boned a new girl every approx 4 days, that means there are 5-6 women walking around that ship who you've boned. To think they all screw you once and then disappear forever seems a bit of a stretch. It's been my experience that when a woman screws a guy who's a "celebrity" in a certain venue, she tends to stick around him for the duration that they share said venue. So he would have at least several women per cruise he'd have to deal with interpersonally, if only to tell them to stop coming to his cabin. This in and of itself would teach him a great deal about women.

Let's face it, any guy screwing upwards of 300 women in 4 years would know a LOT about the gender.

So to think that a guy could screw that many women and then make such rookie mistakes with a 19 year old of all people seems fishy.

But I'm willing to believe it for argument sake, and in that case my only advice would be: treat her like you would if you were on a cruise and you knew you'd be banging a new one in 3.84 days. ;)
 

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**Final Update**

Rollo Tomassi said:

GREAT article.

Final Update

I called the chick an hour ago with the "indifferent attitude" like nothing even happened.

She started off really nice, and then I made a joke about her accent (like I always do) she always laughed, this time she got "annoyed" lol...

I said hows your week looking, hows everything going? She responds and I quote lol..

"I have to really focus on finals, and then I am traveling for a while, and then going on a cruise..so I won't be able to get together with you until maybe next semester." (over 6 weeks)

I said "Oh cool a cruise, I hope you have fun! take care of yourself!"

*click* LOL

Oh well at least I got to bang her a few times. I would of been really pissed if she didn't give it up and this happened.

Whats my lesson from this?

Don't be so ****ing available and up her ass. As of today I am taking a new approach on "Dating" women. I am filling my life up with extra hobbies, I joined the gym today (felt awesome) and I am going to start to take little side art classes or something to meet new girls. Also the most important thing is I WILL NOT get attached or excited so soon. Unless I have been seeing her for a few months and she has really proven to me she is worth it. Then and only then I will get excited.

I am feeling good!!!
 

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the thing is, that's not the lesson you should have learned.


were you perfect? no. but you were a solid , solid A with this one. she just flaked out. sometimes you are goign to do everything right and they are just gonna flake. nothing you can do about it.

that's the lesson you should have learned. you might have made 1-2 minor blunders but nothing to warrent her behavior.
 

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Those roissy followers -- just read this:

DON’T BE LAME. If a 19 year old (true story) offers you an E tab in a dark corner of a loud club at 1 am, don’t refuse her like some boring fuddy duddy. Either pop that baby and enjoy the ride, or pretend to take it and throw it away when she’s not looking if you’re suspicious of the pill’s origins and purity. Push for a ******* in the alley behind the club; plans to make future dates are a fool’s errand.

Isn't that just a bit nuts? Who is this guy? I would love to see a photo of this Roissy and see what his life is really like beyond his posts...interesting...quite a role model for a good life this guy (or just a self-gratifying psychotic?)

@OP -- I think sometimes we perceive ourselves as having made a "mistake" when in truth maybe the relationship was never meant to work out -- aka, maybe you aren't truly compatibile. Lots of time once the lust dies down and you don't have anything real between the other person things can fizzle out. This doesn't mean it was yours or her fault exactly, it's just the way things go sometimes. Having game can be important in regards to attraction but that itself can only last so far.
 
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