Alpha Males
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To me an alpha male for the purposes of this site and seduction, is a genetically lucky guy, good looking who doesn't have to do much of anything at all to attract the hottest girls to him. I've seen them now and then. They just stand there and lean back and the girl is all over them doing all the work. They always have a hot girl and as many girls as they want. Girls are a lot easier to deal with when they're physically attracted to you.
I read the thread and R_T's post was spot on, educated and knowledgable. There's definitely a nature and nurture aspect to the development of being an "alpha" male, but I'd say it's mostly genetic.
I read the thread and R_T's post was spot on, educated and knowledgable. There's definitely a nature and nurture aspect to the development of being an "alpha" male, but I'd say it's mostly genetic.
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BackToTheMack
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Hitler wasnt an Alpha WTF? Every time the guy opend his mouth hundereds of thousands of Germans came to listen. His words inspired half the world to go to war. He was inspirational and a great public speaker he worked his way up from the streets to one of the greatest politicians of our time.
He is without doubt the most influincial if not the best leader of the 20th centuary.
NOT that i agree with anythign he did. But you got to give him credit his leadership skills permentley changed the world and inspired millions of people to go to war and die for him.
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Theory. Theory. Theory.
It's all theory and conjecture. Even the geneticists, hormone scientists, and psychologists lack a suitable theory.
You want to be PURE alpha? Absolutely uncontrollable? Prisons are a good place to go, and while they may get nice conjugal visits, I'm all set with being behind locked doors. I doubt guys peddling drugs, diddling kids, or killing people are trying to take down a New World Order. An alpha is too preoccupied with his own state of affairs to be concerned about the greater good.
What you're relating it to is 2 things...success with women and success personally. Both can be had without being alpha. However, it seems most guys want to KNOW they are the truest alpha available. That no guy is better than them at any club, in any bar, in any class, at work. Anywhere. Period.
Not possible.
Even pride of lions have alpha, of varying degree. A few men will get most of the women. Yet, there still exist MANY guys who get some lion pvssy. Who's complaining now?
I wouldn't say Trump is pure alpha, yet he exudes power, wealth, and charisma, and has arguably the most beautiful wife in the world.
Suge Knight, alpha?
Ray Lewis, alpha?
Tyson, alpha?
What's the definitive line here? There's no "IDEAL alpha." Attitude trumps alphaness all day. Why? Because pure and true self-reliance and belief over and above all else wins. This isn't to say a little extra testosterone doesn't help, BUT, the studies conducted on alphas came down to those who had MORE THAN the NORM of T-levels. Most notably those who founds themselves in hard labor jobs, construction, dare-devil jobs, etc. Even bikers.
You can't just go do the job and BECOME alpha.
"Oh, see I'm a biker/construction worker and I'm alpha." Doing the job or playing the role won't make you alpha. Doing something for the sake of getting the goal doesn't work. Saying "fvck it" to sound alpha is sympish. Because you only do that for the attitude, for the acquisition of some goal. Notice the portrayal of any alpha and they don't care about losing or winning, they only give concern to themselves, which is why they are known as reckless hardbreakers.
It's nothing more than a few extra points in T-levels that leads to a DIFFERENT mental state than those with less T-levels. And if it IS NOT Testosterone that separates alphas from the rest, then...it's purely genetic, OR, it's a habit, 1 of which you can't control the other of which you can.
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Diet and lifestyle contribute to how alpha you are. Obviously if you have very high levels of 'T', then small increases won't effect it. However, for those with low levels, a lifestyle change helps. Eating meats, avoiding products with estrogen or chemicals that convert to estrogen. Man-made products contain chemicals that convert to estrogen in the body, tanking t levels. While many dairy products contain Testosterone due to the hormones used to increase their meat mass (don't believe, notice how young women begin blooming).
There's only 2 possible alphaisms.
1. Genetics.
2. Thought process/lifestyle.
Dispute it all you want. The only person it matters to is you. Getting you where you want. I don't believe a conclusive game plan will be worked out. And quite honestly, it doesn't matter to me. I don't know my T level and anything I saw to support or deny my own alphaness or lack there of is to pat my own back and svck my own d!ck.
The real deal is...succeeding with women, which is getting laid, having great relationships and sex, getting wherever you want in life.
You don't need a high testosterone level for that. Not to mention those with high testosterone die younger. And they aren't guaranteed to live a better life just because they got more of the 'juice.'
A-Unit
It's all theory and conjecture. Even the geneticists, hormone scientists, and psychologists lack a suitable theory.
You want to be PURE alpha? Absolutely uncontrollable? Prisons are a good place to go, and while they may get nice conjugal visits, I'm all set with being behind locked doors. I doubt guys peddling drugs, diddling kids, or killing people are trying to take down a New World Order. An alpha is too preoccupied with his own state of affairs to be concerned about the greater good.
What you're relating it to is 2 things...success with women and success personally. Both can be had without being alpha. However, it seems most guys want to KNOW they are the truest alpha available. That no guy is better than them at any club, in any bar, in any class, at work. Anywhere. Period.
Not possible.
Even pride of lions have alpha, of varying degree. A few men will get most of the women. Yet, there still exist MANY guys who get some lion pvssy. Who's complaining now?
I wouldn't say Trump is pure alpha, yet he exudes power, wealth, and charisma, and has arguably the most beautiful wife in the world.
Suge Knight, alpha?
Ray Lewis, alpha?
Tyson, alpha?
What's the definitive line here? There's no "IDEAL alpha." Attitude trumps alphaness all day. Why? Because pure and true self-reliance and belief over and above all else wins. This isn't to say a little extra testosterone doesn't help, BUT, the studies conducted on alphas came down to those who had MORE THAN the NORM of T-levels. Most notably those who founds themselves in hard labor jobs, construction, dare-devil jobs, etc. Even bikers.
You can't just go do the job and BECOME alpha.
"Oh, see I'm a biker/construction worker and I'm alpha." Doing the job or playing the role won't make you alpha. Doing something for the sake of getting the goal doesn't work. Saying "fvck it" to sound alpha is sympish. Because you only do that for the attitude, for the acquisition of some goal. Notice the portrayal of any alpha and they don't care about losing or winning, they only give concern to themselves, which is why they are known as reckless hardbreakers.
It's nothing more than a few extra points in T-levels that leads to a DIFFERENT mental state than those with less T-levels. And if it IS NOT Testosterone that separates alphas from the rest, then...it's purely genetic, OR, it's a habit, 1 of which you can't control the other of which you can.
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Diet and lifestyle contribute to how alpha you are. Obviously if you have very high levels of 'T', then small increases won't effect it. However, for those with low levels, a lifestyle change helps. Eating meats, avoiding products with estrogen or chemicals that convert to estrogen. Man-made products contain chemicals that convert to estrogen in the body, tanking t levels. While many dairy products contain Testosterone due to the hormones used to increase their meat mass (don't believe, notice how young women begin blooming).
There's only 2 possible alphaisms.
1. Genetics.
2. Thought process/lifestyle.
Dispute it all you want. The only person it matters to is you. Getting you where you want. I don't believe a conclusive game plan will be worked out. And quite honestly, it doesn't matter to me. I don't know my T level and anything I saw to support or deny my own alphaness or lack there of is to pat my own back and svck my own d!ck.
The real deal is...succeeding with women, which is getting laid, having great relationships and sex, getting wherever you want in life.
You don't need a high testosterone level for that. Not to mention those with high testosterone die younger. And they aren't guaranteed to live a better life just because they got more of the 'juice.'
A-Unit
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good post A-Unit and i agree with you
my post above refers to alphas in a specific enviroment
lets say 200 years ago
they would be leading an army , leading a community
carving out a stake or claim in the wild
explorers discovering a new continent
a captain on a tall ship
all these opportunties are gone
you want to succeed in the present 2005 it's not how much of a man you are
it's how much you are prepared to bend over
the world is controlled by a ruling class who control the money
i am not saying it cannot be done
but the odds are certainly stacked against those who are warriors from birth
the have a gift and a talent THAT MODERN SOCIETY NO LONGER REQUIRES
except for the army ofcourse ( but who wants to die stealing oil )
but alot of these men who end up in and out of prison because their talents point them in that direction
when a 5 foot man aged 50 stands infront of me who i could kill with my bare hands and talks down to mean tells me to do tasks that are outside my job description and are denigrating
i think how f*cked up the world is
i have never been fired from a job. i have quit several.
i try and play the game but it doesn't work
sooner or later they want you to sell your soul
or give up your manhood and place your ball$ in their hands like a dog with it's tail between it's legs
or what ? fear of job loss ?
can i go out an hunt for food ?
always compromise
alphas end up in jail because they refuse to compromise
Lost In Translation
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my post above refers to alphas in a specific enviroment
lets say 200 years ago
they would be leading an army , leading a community
carving out a stake or claim in the wild
explorers discovering a new continent
a captain on a tall ship
all these opportunties are gone
you want to succeed in the present 2005 it's not how much of a man you are
it's how much you are prepared to bend over
the world is controlled by a ruling class who control the money
i am not saying it cannot be done
but the odds are certainly stacked against those who are warriors from birth
the have a gift and a talent THAT MODERN SOCIETY NO LONGER REQUIRES
except for the army ofcourse ( but who wants to die stealing oil )
but alot of these men who end up in and out of prison because their talents point them in that direction
when a 5 foot man aged 50 stands infront of me who i could kill with my bare hands and talks down to mean tells me to do tasks that are outside my job description and are denigrating
i think how f*cked up the world is
i have never been fired from a job. i have quit several.
i try and play the game but it doesn't work
sooner or later they want you to sell your soul
or give up your manhood and place your ball$ in their hands like a dog with it's tail between it's legs
or what ? fear of job loss ?
can i go out an hunt for food ?
always compromise
alphas end up in jail because they refuse to compromise
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Just to throw some petrol into the fire...
You claim alpha males are often found in prisons, right?
But doesn't getting arrested and thrown in prison require some form of submission? Shouldn't a true "alpha male" (aka. psycho axe murderer) fight to the death?
You claim alpha males are often found in prisons, right?
But doesn't getting arrested and thrown in prison require some form of submission? Shouldn't a true "alpha male" (aka. psycho axe murderer) fight to the death?
Lost In Translation
Master Don Juan
i have seen dudes in handcuffs screaming at the cops to shoot them
i have seen dudes in handcuffs when threatened with pepper spray scream at the cops to do it
being alpha does not mean you are stupid
in the cases i pointed out above maybe they were alpha
100% there were idiots and most probably on drugs
every time the cops have put a gun to my head i behave myself
i can get mad that some f*ckwit is threatening my life because he is afraid of me
but i am not suicidal
as i pointed out HISTORY GIVES US THE TRUE EXAMPLES OF ALPHA MALES
most of them were smart
many of them were geniuses
why we got this impression that an alpha male in hand cuffs would rather die than go quietly ?
alpha or beta when the cops have got a glock to your head kicking and screaming is STUPID
no self control will get anyone killed quickly in war alpha or beta
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i have seen dudes in handcuffs when threatened with pepper spray scream at the cops to do it
being alpha does not mean you are stupid
in the cases i pointed out above maybe they were alpha
100% there were idiots and most probably on drugs
every time the cops have put a gun to my head i behave myself
i can get mad that some f*ckwit is threatening my life because he is afraid of me
but i am not suicidal
as i pointed out HISTORY GIVES US THE TRUE EXAMPLES OF ALPHA MALES
most of them were smart
many of them were geniuses
why we got this impression that an alpha male in hand cuffs would rather die than go quietly ?
alpha or beta when the cops have got a glock to your head kicking and screaming is STUPID
no self control will get anyone killed quickly in war alpha or beta
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BackToTheMack
Senior Don Juan
Anyway im goign to be now il probaly make a post sometime next week with a few pics when im back in QLD so you tools can shut the f**k up and be proven wrong.
Bye tools c use next week
Bye tools c use next week
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Well if you're obssessed with killing people and bashing up short men, then why don't you go to f*cked up countries like Sierra Leone, or Sudan?
Seriously. They have no order there. It's every man for himself. Survival of the best armed. Rape, looting, murder, all goes unchecked.
You'll be living in paradise. Since you're a "true warrior" (as you claim), go grab a cheap Russian rifle, and pack your bags for an African country in civil disorder. I'm sure you'll be a true alpha male. Show those bloodthirsty 5-year-old boys with machineguns (and possibly anti-tank missiles) what Aussies are made of!
C'mon, take up the challenge! If you survive I'll even give you a dollar (it'll feed you for a day in Africa).
Lost In Translation
Master Don Juan
LOL i am just discussing why alpha males no longer fit in a civilized society
thanks for the job offer diplomatic_lies
diplomatic_lies
Well if you're obssessed with killing people and bashing up short men, then why don't you go to f*cked up countries like Sierra Leone, or Sudan?
i got nothing against short people
i am not obssessed with killing
i was trying to explain that it is hard for me to take orders from someone who doesn't treat me with respect and uses job security and a stand over tactic ( which is the corporate structure )
how much can a man lower himself for money ?
have we no pride ?
having pride and keeping a job doesn't really work to well in modern society
diplomatic_lies replace short with fat or skinny or whatever
it was just an example
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thanks for the job offer diplomatic_lies
diplomatic_lies
Well if you're obssessed with killing people and bashing up short men, then why don't you go to f*cked up countries like Sierra Leone, or Sudan?
i got nothing against short people
i am not obssessed with killing
i was trying to explain that it is hard for me to take orders from someone who doesn't treat me with respect and uses job security and a stand over tactic ( which is the corporate structure )
how much can a man lower himself for money ?
have we no pride ?
having pride and keeping a job doesn't really work to well in modern society
diplomatic_lies replace short with fat or skinny or whatever
it was just an example
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It's survival, Lost. You do what you have to in order to stay alive. That will never change, whether First World or Third, alpha or beta.
Survivability and success ... from a Darwinian perspective, these are all that matter, and anything that gets you them is valid. Playing by rules you're not equipped for is the last thing you want to do. Like you say, alphas don't last long in a beta's world and vice versa.
Things like pride are luxuries. In theory, an alpha could possess them only because he has taken care of the necessities and has enough left over to pursue more. A lesser man would not; simply surviving takes so much out of him that he doesn't have whatever he needs to pursue greater success.
Survivability and success ... from a Darwinian perspective, these are all that matter, and anything that gets you them is valid. Playing by rules you're not equipped for is the last thing you want to do. Like you say, alphas don't last long in a beta's world and vice versa.
Things like pride are luxuries. In theory, an alpha could possess them only because he has taken care of the necessities and has enough left over to pursue more. A lesser man would not; simply surviving takes so much out of him that he doesn't have whatever he needs to pursue greater success.
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yeah i am not coming across too good on this one
i agree with you guys
i am just trying to say that survival TODAY
is different from every time in the history of man
and if we look at history we see men with different talents leading countries
TODAY those talents have no real worth
machines do most of our labour
no more captains on tall ships sailing to the americas
guns and firepower as the colt in the wild west made all men equal on the battlefield
those who adapt TODAY are those who will survive
i agree with you guys 100%
but if Einstein is correct and i believe he is he said that world war 3 will be fought with weapons of TERRIBLE power
and he said BUT world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones
while there is currently no real use for an alpha male who cannot adapt if things go backwards then the rules are reversed
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i agree with you guys
i am just trying to say that survival TODAY
is different from every time in the history of man
and if we look at history we see men with different talents leading countries
TODAY those talents have no real worth
machines do most of our labour
no more captains on tall ships sailing to the americas
guns and firepower as the colt in the wild west made all men equal on the battlefield
those who adapt TODAY are those who will survive
i agree with you guys 100%
but if Einstein is correct and i believe he is he said that world war 3 will be fought with weapons of TERRIBLE power
and he said BUT world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones
while there is currently no real use for an alpha male who cannot adapt if things go backwards then the rules are reversed
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Um yeah. Because today is like, not 10 billion years ago.
Not exactly. Courage, charisma, intelligence, and cunning haven't changed. The only changes are physical strength. Nowadays politicians don't tend to say "Torg no like, Torg bash!".
That's assuming you survive a nuke falling on your head.
But even then, your ideal alpha male is hard-pressed to survive. How easy is it to make a crossbow, and shoot a man in the head? Your alpha male wouldn't even know what hit him. Again, the human mind defeats the body.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
I think it might be helpful to ad that as Darwinian as the Alpha Male phenomenon may be, Darwin never said natural selection was about 'survival of the fittest.' This is far too subjective, rather Darwin pointed out it was survival of the organism that was best adapted to it's particular environment. A 20ft Tyranousaurus Rex would undisputibly be an Alpha animal, but is undone by a prehistoric hedgehog when it's environment changes.
Be adaptable.
Be adaptable.
The alpha male is the (male) leader of a social heirarchy. That's it. Using ethological terms might help us conceptualize some things, but we should use the terms right.
Get 20 nerds together and one will emerge as the leader. Same with 20 dominant-type people, though I imagine more fighting occuring.
If you want to be an alpha, then ask yourself why others should submit to you. The best way might be that your "boys" have more fun under your leadership. Or maybe they actually get more chicks by belonging to your group. There are responsibilities for the position though.
There are advantages to being a beta under a good leader. You can cut loose at parties and have fun, leaving the administration headaches of hosting to the alpha male.
Also, the leader might not even be the most valuable member of the group. You might excel in your role more than the leader excells in his. Who was more valuable to the team: Michael Jordan or the coach?
Get 20 nerds together and one will emerge as the leader. Same with 20 dominant-type people, though I imagine more fighting occuring.
If you want to be an alpha, then ask yourself why others should submit to you. The best way might be that your "boys" have more fun under your leadership. Or maybe they actually get more chicks by belonging to your group. There are responsibilities for the position though.
There are advantages to being a beta under a good leader. You can cut loose at parties and have fun, leaving the administration headaches of hosting to the alpha male.
Also, the leader might not even be the most valuable member of the group. You might excel in your role more than the leader excells in his. Who was more valuable to the team: Michael Jordan or the coach?
Alpha
I think the post above about sums up alpha male.
His charteristics are (in order of importance) Smartest, strongest willed, phsically best and morally correct.
He is the natural leader, who excels at everything he does and for this he is given the resect by the males and the pvssy by the females.
In a word he is the most Successfull person.
All this Cave man, Angry pysco alpha male distinction ive heard on this site is bollocks, this person in reality would be killed locked up, or, if in the terms of natural human exsistance be killed or extradited by the tribe, clan whatever you wanna call it.
I think a good example of an alpha male is tyler durden in fight club. He is exceptionally smart, strong willed, has direction, looks fantastic and people are so won over by him they follow him without question.
"Tyler built himself an army, Why was tyler building an army? To what purpose? For what greater good? In tyler we trusted"
Also annother interesting point made in fight club is when tyler says,
"Our fathers were our models for god, if our fathers bailed what does that tell you about god?"
This, to me, means that the perfect father (the perfect alpha) would have all the charecteristics of god, sounds far feched i know, but if you really think about it a person near human perfection would be god like.
Here are some common examples of what perople think of when they define god. btw I didnt write these.
God is independent, (not depending on anything), out of who all things arise.
God is an absolutely perfect being. (Couldnt happen in a person)
God is greater than anyother being. No other being exceeds God in power, knowledge or goodness.
God is morrally perfect.
If you found this guy would have the perfect alpha, with self improvment this is what we all strive for.
The little quote by tyler earlier also points out the current state of the general male population.
thats my opinion.
toodles.
I think the post above about sums up alpha male.
His charteristics are (in order of importance) Smartest, strongest willed, phsically best and morally correct.
He is the natural leader, who excels at everything he does and for this he is given the resect by the males and the pvssy by the females.
In a word he is the most Successfull person.
All this Cave man, Angry pysco alpha male distinction ive heard on this site is bollocks, this person in reality would be killed locked up, or, if in the terms of natural human exsistance be killed or extradited by the tribe, clan whatever you wanna call it.
I think a good example of an alpha male is tyler durden in fight club. He is exceptionally smart, strong willed, has direction, looks fantastic and people are so won over by him they follow him without question.
"Tyler built himself an army, Why was tyler building an army? To what purpose? For what greater good? In tyler we trusted"
Also annother interesting point made in fight club is when tyler says,
"Our fathers were our models for god, if our fathers bailed what does that tell you about god?"
This, to me, means that the perfect father (the perfect alpha) would have all the charecteristics of god, sounds far feched i know, but if you really think about it a person near human perfection would be god like.
Here are some common examples of what perople think of when they define god. btw I didnt write these.
God is independent, (not depending on anything), out of who all things arise.
God is an absolutely perfect being. (Couldnt happen in a person)
God is greater than anyother being. No other being exceeds God in power, knowledge or goodness.
God is morrally perfect.
If you found this guy would have the perfect alpha, with self improvment this is what we all strive for.
The little quote by tyler earlier also points out the current state of the general male population.
thats my opinion.
toodles.
