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GoodMan32

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Those 'orbiters' are unattractive to the women they orbit. Even before the internet, I dated women who had orbiters, and none of them would ever end up in her bed. The 'abundance' is imaginary. They wouldn't have sex with any of them, especially the ones begging for sex. I know men can be thirsty enough to have sex with some unattractive women, but women rarely stoop to sex with unattractive men.

This is why I say, don't look at other men as your competitors. The only competition you should have is with your Past Self and only to improve your Future Self. Men following women on social media are rarely in a position to have real interactions with their crushes.

I dated women who had social media presence through their modelling agencies (it's more or less mandatory now as a fashion/runway model to have an IG account) and none of them pay any attention to the simpletons who follow their accounts. They do not factor in their lives. They don't date followers, they don't find dates on social media and/or dating apps.
The difference is: Way more men have been relegated to orbiter status in 2024 vs pre-internet.

Incidentally, before we had sex, I spent 2-3 years being somewhat of an orbiter to the last woman I had free sex with. While rare, an orbiter getting sex can happen. It probably helps that I have decent looks.
 

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@SW15 But I have been offered sex on first dates before. 3 first dates in 2012 led to an offer of sex, 2 of which I turned down (the 3rd one was the one where I only accepted because she provided medical documentation proving birth control)

I also accepted sex on a first date in 2015 (If you count going out for a cheap dinner with a married woman as a "date." I accepted the sex)

I suppose one could make the argument that 2012-15 wasn't as severe as the post-pandemic era (in terms of abundance and female attitudes). But even in 2023 (when I had my first date with the woman who nexted me over a slip-up before the 2nd date had a chance to happen), she encouraged me to tell another guy we had sex to make him jealous (if she was repulsed by me, or even ambivalent about me, the last thing she'd want is for people to think we had sex)
 

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Incidentally, before we had sex, I spent 2-3 years being somewhat of an orbiter to the last woman I had free sex with. While rare, an orbiter getting sex can happen. It probably helps that I have decent looks.
Hanging around for 'free sex' after getting some (and probably severely disappointing her) is not orbiting. Just pathetic.
 

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Hanging around for 'free sex' after getting some (and probably severely disappointing her) is not orbiting. Just pathetic.
As I said, the 2-3 years of orbiting happened before the sex. I wasn't hanging around for 2-3 years after the sex (for that matter, the last time I saw her was less than a year after our sex)

I personally don't think my performance was the best. But the fact she went through a stretch (after we banged) where she wanted me to call her on my breaks at work would suggest I satisfied her.

One benefit of banging a Gen X broad: They still do calls (Millennial and Gen Z broads only like texts)
 
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