advice needed to find a younger woman efficiently

[Bokanovsky]

Rich guys spend high sums of money on cars & other unnecessary items all the time. Investment in a partner is just that; an investment. No shame in seeing it that way.

He is not looking for a wife...lol. He's basically just looking for an escort, by the sounds of it.

 

[Bokanovsky]

But, I'm curious why you wrote that my preference for younger women "is in fact quite fortunate", given that (a) I'm looking for something that our society frowns upon, and (b) most women want someone in their own age group. How is that a blessing and not a curse?

Because no one actually has a preference for old chicks...except for perverts.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I recommend strip clubs. If you look good, have money and convey confidence in your speech and body language I'm sure you can find a young woman to date.

Went to a SC about 2 years with a buddy. Wasn’t super impressed. A girl offered to take me to a back room for $100 & said ‘You can do anything you want to me.’ I declined. In hindsight. I should have paid for my incel buddy.

 

[HoneyHitter]

Guys that I know and have seen pull it off consistently at or past 50 in real life that are reasonably fit and well-off, but not incredibly rich (yet):
Dance venue owners
Dance class instructors
Fitness instructors (former semi-pro athletes)

Haven’t really seen other older guys do it without significant fame or wealth (> 3M net worth)

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Guys that I know and have seen pull it off consistently at or past 50 in real life that are reasonably fit and well-off, but not incredibly rich (yet):
Dance venue owners
Dance class instructors
Fitness instructors (former semi-pro athletes)

Haven’t really seen other older guys do it without significant fame or wealth (> 3M net worth)

Or. Be handsome.

 

[HoneyHitter]

Or. Be handsome.

Looks start fading after 50 for basically every man. Even those considered handsome. Health and fitness become an even bigger factor.

 

[Mike32ct]

Went to a SC about 2 years with a buddy. Wasn’t super impressed. A girl offered to take me to a back room for $100 & said ‘You can do anything you want to me.’ I declined. In hindsight. I should have paid for my incel buddy.

Yes, definitely help the boyos out lol.

Of course, the $100 quote was only applicable to you. She would have charged considerably more for the cel guy.

 

[alleycat]

I recommend strip clubs. If you look good, have money and convey confidence in your speech and body language I'm sure you can find a young woman to date.

Yeah, maybe if you're a regular and get to know the strippers over time. But no way on one or two visits, no matter how rich or handsome you are. Those girls are getting hit on constantly and have their guards up, big-time.

 

[BeExcellent]

Guys that I know and have seen pull it off consistently at or past 50 in real life that are reasonably fit and well-off, but not incredibly rich (yet):
Dance venue owners
Dance class instructors
Fitness instructors (former semi-pro athletes)

Haven’t really seen other older guys do it without significant fame or wealth (> 3M net worth)

I dunno. My playboy buddy is taking out a 29 year old tonight. He considers her fun but not GF material. She’s young & hot. He’s 53 and trim on a 6’2” frame, runners build. He’s clean cut good looking with silver full head of hair. He makes a low 6 figure living and owns his own home. Not a millionaire but in time he will be. His advantage is NGAF attitude, charm, wit and fun. He’s a blast to hang with. Very cheeky & bold. And he understands how women tick. He’s an IT guy.

If you possess the right attitude & moxy and are reasonably attractive? You’ll have your choice of women.

 

[BeExcellent]

He is not looking for a wife...lol. He's basically just looking for an escort, by the sounds of it.

True that. But to have a travel companion you need someone who is available to do that (no job or independently wealthy or remote job), someone who is a good companion outside the bedroom, someone with social graces who isn’t going to be an embarrassment and someone who is pleasant to spend a great deal of time with. Honestly that’s kind of a tall order. Most women in their 20s or 30s work in some capacity to support themselves or they are entirely supported by the man. Which lends itself to something more substantial than escorts. Now. Some escorts are beautiful and poised. And many are transactional in their arrangements and do not get attached.

The issue then becomes that at some point an escort gets old. What a drag to be traveling around the globe with a chick for whom you are a meal ticket. That will get lonely in someone’s company very quickly if there is no emotional investment or bond.

Unless a psychopath you cannot escape basic human needs for connection.

 

[SW15]

True that. But to have a travel companion you need someone who is available to do that (no job or independently wealthy or remote job), someone who is a good companion outside the bedroom, someone with social graces who isn’t going to be an embarrassment and someone who is pleasant to spend a great deal of time with. Honestly that’s kind of a tall order. Most women in their 20s or 30s work in some capacity to support themselves or they are entirely supported by the man.

I agree that finding a woman ages 20-39 who is 5'7"+ as a 55 year old man for this arrangement will be difficult. @phillyman might need to scale back what he wants.

If he scales back the desire to solely sex with a younger, athletic looking woman without the regular travel component, he can find that.

Women who are 20-39 today have grown up with the idea that they don't need men for money and have always expected to be women working more conventional jobs, typically white collar jobs since women don't usually work blue collar jobs.

I've been dealing with this type of woman for the past 15-20 years, the typical college educated woman.

If @phillyman is rich enough, he can attract a substantially younger girlfriend through conventional means, but this woman is going to have a job and be fairly independent. She won't be available to travel on a whim. Getting a 30 year old girlfriend as a 55 year old man is an achievement, but the typical 30 year old who will entertain @phillyman's offer will have a job. Additionally, he would have to do a fair amount of approaching to find this woman, which I don't think he wants to do.

Since @phillyman is in his 50s, he might have social circle connections in that age range who likely have daughters, nieces, or friends of their daughters/nieces. This is the most obvioius place to start with looking for a conventional girlfriend without having to do a ton of cold approaching.

 

[metalwater]

location, location, location.

someone suggested that >3m is the money needed to buy this situation. I look at it differently, it's 10x the average local person's wealth. If you have 10x+ the local average then you have a financial position to use that as an attraction point. This can definitely offset age. If you have 10x vs your current environment you would not ask this question I think...

have to remember, that women don't love men, they have different levels of attraction based on different things and it is never about the kind soal of the man. He is sexy looking, sexy acting, wealthy, famous, or some mix of those. It's silly to worry about why a woman likes you but it is useful to know. For one man she likes him because he is pretty.. the other because famous, and others because of money or conversation ability. Remember it's never about the kind soal of the man albeit that is what many women will tell if asked. She gets the tingles from an attraction point.

when you think a woman is lusting for you, sure, that lust can be triggered by ANY of the attraction points and get the behavior you want. It's funny to listen to men shame other men that have something they don't.

the game has many ways to play.

If you are not pretty, and you insist on winning the game from looks, that is going to lead to sadness. If you are not famous but expect to get young cuties based on status, not going to happen. Conversation or money is the ticket.

If you move to a location where your money is 10x+ the average local then you will be a target for all women that see wealth as attractive. My experience is that women in all places like money, even nice higher quality women.

Also, your reasons for wanting to be discreet can affect how you do things.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

So you want to be a beta bux? Basically buy a woman's affection so she can go cheat on you behind your back with a guy she really wants and you waste your money on her so that she can spend it on him?

I'd adjust your mindset.

 

[metalwater]

So you want to be a beta bux? Basically buy a woman's affection so she can go cheat on you behind your back with a guy she really wants and you waste your money on her so that she can spend it on him?

I'd adjust your mindset.

apha bux, not beta bux.

the women will cheat with wealthy on the guy that is pretty.
the women will cheat with status on the guy that is buff.
the women will cheat with sexy on the guy that is wealthy

I saw a show one time where the woman ran into the fire and was burned alive with her chosen man. she did it because he was being burned and going to die and she did not want to live without him. the male character was not really an assertive alpha but a decent man with integrity according to that script.

attracting a woman with money is fine and is not beta unless simping and begging are involved. open transaction is also ok and not beta. beta is the man getting managed and run around by the woman.

some men are not pretty enough or don't have the genetic charisma or voice that does it. thank god we are also with brains and hands so that we can add value to ourselves and be chosen. money that a man earned or is given is part of him.

likewise, we could argue that a very fit man that has worked hard for physical looks is really beta, and perhaps he is if he also simps.

now if the girl takes your money and you get nothing or you don't get what you expect then its simply a bad deal.

it is all a negotiation, the negotiation starts when she first see you. her first impression is from how you present, this is the first step in the negotiation.

the reason older men that are famous do so well is that money and status are so powerful. if you took an A list celeb and remove the fame and money how many would end up incel...

teach men how to use the money wisely... as it's part of the power they have.

 

[alleycat]

I dunno. My playboy buddy is taking out a 29 year old tonight. He considers her fun but not GF material. She’s young & hot. He’s 53 and trim on a 6’2” frame, runners build. He’s clean cut good looking with silver full head of hair. He makes a low 6 figure living and owns his own home. Not a millionaire but in time he will be. His advantage is NGAF attitude, charm, wit and fun. He’s a blast to hang with. Very cheeky & bold. And he understands how women tick. He’s an IT guy.

@BeExcellent Out of curiosity, where/how did he meet her?

 

[SW15]

the women will cheat with wealthy on the guy that is pretty.
the women will cheat with status on the guy that is buff.
the women will cheat with sexy on the guy that is wealthy

I agree with all of this but bolded one statement because it happened to one of my cousins. He is a buff construction worker and his wife cheated on him with a higher status male. She was able to get sex from a higher status male despite being in her late 30s and having 2 kids.

 

[BeExcellent]

@BeExcellent Out of curiosity, where/how did he meet her?

He does Tinder and Bumble. He also is very social and meets women organically.

 

[metalwater]

I agree with all of this but bolded one statement because it happened to one of my cousins. He is a buff construction worker and his wife cheated on him with a higher status male. She was able to get sex from a higher status male despite being in her late 30s and having 2 kids.

all the time. your cousin could have blocked it, but he did not be aware.

 

[behimo]

Went to a SC about 2 years with a buddy. Wasn’t super impressed. A girl offered to take me to a back room for $100 & said ‘You can do anything you want to me.’ I declined. In hindsight. I should have paid for my incel buddy.

To each his own. I personally don't do back room. I meet them outside of work at their place or mine. No money involved, other than the time I spend in the club.

 

[behimo]

Yeah, maybe if you're a regular and get to know the strippers over time. But no way on one or two visits, no matter how rich or handsome you are. Those girls are getting hit on constantly and have their guards up, big-time.

You can pull, it's based on the level of attraction they have for you and you them.

Once you know their attracted to you, you have to show them that you're not a (or going to be) stalker, murderer.

I agree that they have their guards up and they need to for various reasons, especially with the amount of 'creeps' they meet on the regular regardless of income and social status.