About to go ganji on her ass...

[Ronin I]

OK for those of you not familiar with the ganji tactics....

http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21610&highlight=ganji

My situation pretty much is the following:

-if a girl you have feelings for does not return feelings after u let your intentions be known

- a girl tries to keep you in the friend category and it does not make sense, b/c you are a don juan

- u feel like you are not getting the sexual attention you need

- u feel like you are getting PLAYED

Anyway, I've decided to cut contact with this girl with no explanation. Her and I have been on 5-6 dates and speak a couple of times a week over the past five months (but I haven't gotten jack sh!t sexually). She has been very open about wanting to go out and make new "friends" this summer. Also she was seeing some guy off and on for a year but recently said she decided that it would never work and claims that she has "moved on" **cough, cough, bullsh!t, cough**.
Also she has thrown religion up as a reason why her and I could not be an item as she insists that her potential partners must believe in God (meanwhile this other guy does not believe in her Jesus crap and yet she saw him for almost a year).
Bottom line - I've been a good "friend" to this girl for a couple of months now and have made my intentions known - and gotten nowhere.
Last night was the final draw as over IM she said something to the effect to me that she "promised she would always be upfront and honest with me and tell me the truth about things even if it is something that she knows I don't want to hear - and that she knows that I am strong and can handle it".
I can't believe this b!tch has the nerve to patronize me like that.
Whatever.

It's ganji time for her ass. If she crawls back to me wanting to give it up, fine - if not - good riddance.

 

[Bill]

Hail to you m8. Ganji's the sh*t, Don Juan's the name. Keep us informed if anything new happens, best of luck in the meantime.
Respect.

 

[chlywly]

Word, unless you just want her as a friend do it up, but don't expect miracles.

 

[Ded_Skin_Mask13]

I think this sh*t is a no brainer to anyone who is an experienced Don Juan, but it's good to put a reminder about these type of things..

 

[dionysius_d]

ganji

Also she has thrown religion up as a reason why her and I could not be an item as she insists that her potential partners must believe in God (meanwhile this other guy does not believe in her Jesus crap and yet she saw him for almost a year).

It's ganji time for her ass. If she crawls back to me wanting to give it up, fine - if not - good riddance.

I was straight faced, until you mentioned the God stuff.. lol

Ganji is too good here. Ganji implies there might be a future.. i think the only option here is : NEXT.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Re: ganji

Ganji is too good here. Ganji implies there might be a future.. i think the only option here is : NEXT. [/B]

Excuse me for making it sound so simple, but isn't Ganji just dumping a woman and being a man about it? You've decided that she's not worth your time for a reason, right? So why would you ever call or have any type of contact with a woman who basically a waste of effort?

Just curious,

 

[Starman]

Ive heard of this before..and the technique has worked with me before..

but I never tried it AFTER telling a chick my intentions(i.e. letting her know you like her)

Has anyone had success with this? I always thought as soon as you let your feelings known..The Game's Over

 

[Ronin I]

Originally posted by chlywly
Word, unless you just want her as a friend do it up, but don't expect miracles.

No - no miracles expected - that's why it's a last ditch effort.

Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Excuse me for making it sound so simple, but isn't Ganji just dumping a woman and being a man about it? You've decided that she's not worth your time for a reason, right? So why would you ever call or have any type of contact with a woman who basically a waste of effort?

Not exactly. Basicaly I've decided she's not worth my time because I'm not getting any. So yeah, I will not call or have any type of contact with her because she is a waste of effort. BUT, it is not a full blown NEXT because if she comes crawling back I will attempt to seize that opportunity, turn the tables on her and fvck her. (I will admit that that is a big IF, but at this point I've got nothing to lose.)

Originally posted by Starman
Has anyone had success with this? I always thought as soon as you let your feelings known..The Game's Over

Well, I've never come right out and said "I like you" or anything of the sort but my actions have spoken to that effect. I have tried on multiple occassions to get physical with her (to no avail) and I still (up until yesterday) talk to her - so she knows that I like her to some extent. I have not in any way poured my heart out to her or anything like that.

 

[Starman]

OK becase the original Ganji poster says that once you let a girl know your intentions and she rebuffs you, then its time for Ganji

I tried this on a girl once..cut all phone, email, contacts..and it worked .. then I started to continue doing it to test its effects..

and she finally stopped contacting me all together..now she is kinda aloof .. and doesnt really talk to me at all whenever I see her

 

[Ronin I]

Originally posted by Starman
OK becase the original Ganji poster says that once you let a girl know your intentions and she rebuffs you, then its time for Ganji

I tried this on a girl once..cut all phone, email, contacts..and it worked .. then I started to continue doing it to test its effects..

and she finally stopped contacting me all together..now she is kinda aloof .. and doesnt really talk to me at all whenever I see her

Well, I guess that's the hard part - is knowing when to turn the tables and go in for the kill. How long are you supposed to wait? How many phone calls are you supposed to not return? etc.

I really don't have any idea. This is my first true Ganji attempt. In my old AFC days I handled things differently (would try to guilt the girl into getting physical, would pour my heart out in the hopes that she'd change her mind, etc.).

I tried this on a girl once..cut all phone, email, contacts..and it worked .. then I started to continue doing it to test its effects..

How exactly did it work? Did she begin to contact you more often and attempt to make plans with you? Did she get frustrated to the point where she broke down and begged to know why you were ignoring her? (I think this would be the moment to strike)

 

[fan27]

If after meeting a woman, I can't get something going on with her within the first few encounters, I am moving on. I don't have time to be trying to convert a friend into a lover, whatever the tactics may be. Plus the odds arent in my favor.

 

[Ronin I]

Originally posted by fan27
If after meeting a woman, I can't get something going on with her within the first few encounters, I am moving on. I don't have time to be trying to convert a friend into a lover, whatever the tactics may be. Plus the odds arent in my favor.

I agree - but the whole point of ganji is to do NOTHING. In effect you are moving on - let go of all hope that anything will happen - do not initiate contact - do not return phone calls - leave her wondering what the hell happened - then IF an opportunity presents itself where you can capitalize - POUNCE on it.

Otherwise who really gives a rat's ass.

I'm doing this more as an experiment than anything else. The whole point is to try and learn something from every woman that I engage.

What do I have to lose by doing NOTHING?

This is different from "moving on" as I have done it in the past in that in the past I would've had a conversation with her in which I would've said something to the effect of "Listen. it's obvious that we want different things so I think it's best if we just move on with our own separate lives.." or something to that effect. Now, I don't even care to have that sort of convo with the broad. She's done, UNLESS she does something extraordinary sometime in the future.

We'll see what happens.

 

[Starman]

Ronin,

With this particular girl she TOLD me she likes me..SO I told her I liked her back..then she started becoming less interested..so I did Ganji

at first it was working like a charm..she would call me..I wouldnt call her back..she would come by and leave notes on my car, I never called her..she would email me saying Im the smartest and funniest guy she knows..and blow smoke up my a$$ saying.."You looked really good last night, have you lost weight??"

not to be rude..I would sometimes answer her emails..with a short one sentence line..

The kicker was I had a party one time and invited all her friends..and not her..she was super mad and even told some of the other girls in our group that "I am no longer friends with Starman"

after this incident..all her emails, phone calls, everything stopped...heh so I guess if you are going to Use Ganji..you should know when to stop

 

[Ronin I]

Originally posted by Starman
Ronin,

With this particular girl she TOLD me she likes me..SO I told her I liked her back..then she started becoming less interested..so I did Ganji

at first it was working like a charm..she would call me..I wouldnt call her back..she would come by and leave notes on my car, I never called her..she would email me saying Im the smartest and funniest guy she knows..and blow smoke up my a$$ saying.."You looked really good last night, have you lost weight??"

not to be rude..I would sometimes answer her emails..with a short one sentence line..

The kicker was I had a party one time and invited all her friends..and not her..she was super mad and even told some of the other girls in our group that "I am no longer friends with Starman"

after this incident..all her emails, phone calls, everything stopped...heh so I guess if you are going to Use Ganji..you should know when to stop

Thanks for the info Starman. Yeah well it all goes to what I was saying before - each and every one should be looked at as a learning experience -

What I've learned from this one is not to deviate from my pre-set rules about how I deal with women. When she didn't put out initially (within the first couple of dates) I should of just cut her right there - instead I made excuses for her (Oh she's a good girl, blah, blah or the timing hasnt been right, blah, blah - she pays for half of everything blah, blah -).

Also I sold myself out on a couple of occassions - like when she brought up this religion crap instead of actually telling her that by and large I think organized religion is a bunch of BS, I said that I respect other peoples beliefs, etc, etc.

The biggest lesson that I learned is that even though for the most part I haven't acted like an AFC just by continuing to TALK to her she has gotten a big head. She thinks that I'm continuing to chase when pursuit has stopped well over a month ago.

This b!tch needs a fvckin' reality check.

 

[Starman]

yup..Once they start getting big ego's..and thinking you wont walk away..they will start disrespecting you, not returning your calls..taking your kindness for granted..etc

Have you tried Ganji on her? what was her reaction?

 

[Ronin I]

Originally posted by Starman
yup..Once they start getting big ego's..and thinking you wont walk away..they will start disrespecting you, not returning your calls..taking your kindness for granted..etc

Have you tried Ganji on her? what was her reaction?

Well full-blown Ganji started today so I'll have to bump this thread up in a month or so (or sooner if she reacts strongly ) and give details as to the results.

I did a moderate Ganji maneuver after the last time we hung out and she wouldn't give it up - I stopped calling her altogether and I blocked her on IM for 5 days - finally she calls me, we have a good conversation and at the end she playfully asks me why I've been avoiding her. I basically just deflected that question with some C&F and ended the call.
So I had a temporary IL spike there (I think).

So I unblocked her off IM and then proceeded over the next couple of days to fvck it up I guess. (Talked to her over IM once a day on average).

The thing is is that I am online EVERY single day (work/school) and she used to NEVER be online. Her total AIM contact list consists of her mother, sister and me.(She's not your usual attention wh0re that has a list of contacts a mile long). So basically when she logged on it was to chat with me. I mistakingly looked at this as a sign of interest (I'm an idiot) when in actuality she was turning me into her girlie friend.

I deleted AIM from my computer today. I realized that aside from my little brother and my mother, my ENTIRE contact list is filled with dumb b!tches that I no longer care to talk to (ex-girlfreinds, internet attention wh0res and this girl). Thankfully I have kept MSN messenger where I communicate only with co-workers and colleagues from school.

 

[Starman]

hahah yea thats another disclaimer for Ganji..Most women will break after a Month (some of them actually have PRIDE ..and like the GUY to chase them..even if they arent interested)

But once their pride breaks..they will TRY and contact you once or twice..This is the moment you have to be careful and not break..because it is just a test to see if you are playing games with her or you are no longger interested..

with me..after about a month or two I REALLY lose interest..so it all works out..but if you are still Ganji'ing her..dont respond at all or make her wait..and when you do it..sweet, short and indifferent..and TALK ONLY about yourself..and what a great time you are having

p.s. the girl I ganji'ed even sends me postcards from places she has been vacationing..even tho I cut off all contact

 

[violator]

Gangi games is a means to turn the tables. If done correctly, you can reverse roles and have her be the AFC. I tried it and had some major HB's with attitudes turn into pathetic female versions of an AFC.

If and when she breaks, after a couple of weeks of silence, you simply act detached and as if she is the farthest thing on your mind. This works effectively particularly with attention wh0res who cannot stand not being the center of attention. Play hard to get. Return calls after a couple of days. She will sense a change in attitude and become intrigued and start chasing you. The first thing on her mind is that you found a girl better than her and this will really blow her away. If she suggests meeting with you, let her come to you.

Once you are in her presence, go for the kiss and gradually escalate things on a sexual level. If she values you, she will give it up this time around, lest you will get it somewhere else with someone else.

The last time I tried this on a girl, I had her fycking me like a porn star. The problem is that many guys make the mistake of reverting to an AFC once they get a girls IL up. Don't make that mistake. Act aloof and indifferent with a little bit of C&F once you get her interest up again.

 

[Jay26]

Yep Gangi games can work, i've done it b4, but it takes some skill.

The first stage, cutting all contact is easy, anyone can do this. Naturally girls hate just being cut off all the sudden like that and it drives them banannas and they will try to contact you a lot, her IL will be rising. Play it cool, don't cave instantly but don't go totally overboard either so that she gives up.

Eventually when you do see her, the trick then is to flip the tables on what you were doing b4 (probably being AFC), so you gotta be DJ, C+F, kino, basically the lot!

Flat out go for the kiss! You got a partial clean slate at this point and you better not fark it up by being a pu$$y!

Of course you have to be a total DJ at this point or all that IL that you built up with start to drop again, and then you just wasted a few weeks or months for nothing. Best to have other prospects when you play this game as well, just so you don't get bored!

Still, it's ooohh so satisfying when done correctly

 

[TesuqueRed]

Ronin---a line from your original post jumped out at me (paraphrasing, I don't have time to quote it and delete 99/100's of it):

"I can't believe she has the nerve to patronize me like this..."

She has the nerve and plenty to spare. You were the AFC for so long and on every point (contrary to your self-image, you were...) that she can't help patronizing you. It's a natural response.

You could even say it's the appropriate response---hell, I do it to protect myself and establish a safe distance between me and a woman that is pursuing me but is clearly beneath my level---a female AFC, for example.

She demonstrates she is beneath my level by being too obvious, can't "play" (verbally spar with me, get my sense of humor, keep up with the conversation, pick up the subtext of conversations, etc.), she dresses like white-trash or a club wh0re, wants to give me everything to the point of being a servant---it goes on and on, that's just my personal list and isn't complete at that.

Point is--we've all been pursued by female AFCs and naturally tried to duck out of the way--you can't help it! This is what she's been doing to you. Perfectly normal---she couldn't help patronizing you.