As has been mentioned earlier on this thread and elsewhere on SS:
-Marriage to a gal who would've, at one time in the not too distant past, been a Maxim cover girl
-Snagging a spacious home with two new/newish cars in the driveway
-Having the income required to keep it all going + Travel out of state or/and internationally at least twice a year
Are traits which signify that a man is doing well, both personally and professionally. Oddly enough, this also seems to be the root of so much of The Manosphere's opposition to getting serious amending the ways in which our divorce and family courts operate...
All those traits can be viewed as "normie stuff", and for most of it's history, The Manosphere has defined itself as existing separately from the rest of society
There are lots of men here, in the Manosphere, in the population at large (normies, elites, etc.) who simply wish to acquire sufficient skill to meet, date, lock down and in many cases marry a woman who would be compliment to his life.
This idea that she's got to be a Maxim model when he's a balding middle manager with a 10 year old Japanese car is ridiculous. Yet there are guys like that who manage to marry & have families, usually with a woman near their own age & SMV.
Many men who used to be here have grown as men, acquired the skillset/mindset and gone on to find a fulfilling marriage. Members like Colossus, Atom Smasher, Von, and many others. They get what they need, grow to a point where they can attract a suitable girl AND lead the relationship, and they depart this place to get on with life.
And if many of the guys here met a really great girl? They'd lock her down too in many cases. Nothing wrong with that.
The guys who say she's got to be beautiful and exceptional etc. when the guys don't bring similar value to the table are delusional. They are either socially awkward, unwilling to address their own lack of value, and complain loudly that marriage stinks and its not worth it. It's their failure parading as an excuse.
Then you have the once bitten, twice shy guys who already got burned in a divorce, and that I can understand. But sometimes these guys are bitter and assume all women are bad like their ex wife. That's not accurate either.
You gotta learn to lead fellas. Lead yourself, your life, your relationships. Many marriages that do not start out transactional & are based in love are casualties to a failure to lead by the man. Transactional marriages also require leadership.
Failure to lead results in poor outcomes. Good leadership is to me the single most important skill men, especially young men. And there are too few mentors for guys to learn from.
What sets my son apart? He can lead. At 21 he is a better leader than many men far more seasoned in life than he is. His leadership is what creates that sense of trust, respect and security in his wife. Her love for him is strengthened by that. Love grows from respect and trust....and leadership.
Learn to lead guys. Many of these fears will be minimized by strong leadership. That & you'll learn to seek out better women as your leadership skills develop.
