Originally posted by Wyldfire
1. Women CAN be friends with a guy and NOT want to have more with him.
True, however it's not the woman who is the operative in this. The question is whether or not a guy can be 'friends' with woman and not want more. As friendship implies a mutual understanding between parties, a guy's motivation for friendship (whether he's conscious of it or not) will always be an issue in any intersexual relationship.
2. Groups of women ARE catty, backstabbing and biotchy. This is especially true in work situations and anywhere groups of women congregate.
This is the method women use to fight when they compete for a common reinforcement - attention. Girls as young as 5 years old will display this group/social behavior. Women fight with ostracization from their grouping. They fight with innuendo and 'dirty' looks, they fight with the sublimenal. However they're fighting for the same resource which is attention. Either attention from each other or from the opposite sex, it's attention that is the reinforcer and affirmer for their own self-worth and their status within the group. Whereas men fight in the physical, women fight in the mental, which honestly can potentially be more damaging.
3. If a woman is using a male friend as a "d*ck in a glass case" then it's obvious...she flirts with him and he wants her and everyone knows it but she pretends not to see it. Not all women do this.
No, because all women do not have the same establishing operations with regards to garnering attention. Not all women do this, yet it's a common enough behavior to see it evidenced. Her actions may be obvious to others, but not to the guy or the girl because they are the active parties. The reason the joke is funny is because the behavior happens with such frequency that people can identify with it. It's no secret that attractive women tend to keep a 'bullpen' of male 'friends' warming up and strung along under the pretense of friendship. This in no way means that she'll eventually become intimate with any of them (in fact just the opposite really), but they aren't held in reserve for the purpose of intimacy in case of emergency. They are a reliable source of attention which is a primary reinforcer her and the 'bullpen' members attention will do in the absence of that of a boyfriend.
4. If a woman has had a male friend for several years, they hang out regularly and they have never dated or had sex during that time...they most likely never will.
Basically true, unfortunately most guys - AFCs in particular - still cling to the notion that eventually if he proves himself as a 'good friend' and plays by her rules long enough he will become intimate with her at a later time. The other myth of intersexual friendship is that of the male/female 'hang out' schema. I can't tell you how many guys run the "we hang out a lot" line at me when I question their motives about a female 'friend'. What exactly does 'hanging out' entail? How much hanging out do men and women do as friends once they're in an LTR or married to another person? As friends I'd trust that they share common interests, yet whenever I go a bit deeper 'hanging out' always comes down to the guy being a good listener for his female friend's personal life issues, rather than participating in the same activities that their same sex friends enjoy together. Guys in general also tend to tolerate the annoying behaviors from their female 'friends' that they would otherwise resist with their male friends. Not so with women, leading to the belief that there is another dynamic working for men in an intersexual friendship that does not come in to play for women or if so, not so noticible.
5. Men are easier to get along with, especially if a woman is interested in more than make up, shopping, fashion and getting their hair and nails done.
Not suprising, since women who aren't interested in the blatantly superficial meanings of the activities you've described are usually required to use other methods to attract the attention of men.
6. Men who get jealous over a woman's male friends are insecure. If she wanted her male friend she would be dating him instead of you.
I agree totally. The easiest way to display a lack of confidence is to allow a woman see you become posessive over her. All this translates to is a guy not being confident enough to achieve intimacy from other women if his woman is testing this by maintaining a cuckold of male friends.
I do however disagree with your second point. It's all too common a situation that a woman lacks the integrity to be upfront about her intentions and enjoys the security she receives from the boyfriend, but still desires the attentions of a desirable male. Your statement makes the assumption that women operate under benevolent intent. Lots of women have their cake and eat it too. The whole reason this thread is a common one is because men sense this on some level.
7. Men who demand a woman give up her friends, male or otherwise, are not dateable, in my opinion. If a guy I was dating or involved with told me to choose between him and my friends...I would dump him on the spot.
You would unless his attention was more reinforcing than maintaining the appearance of steadfast adhereance to your very ideology. You'd be suprised what people would be willing to sacrifice for what they perceive as quality intimacy. Rare is the man who has the sack large enough to even suggest a woman ought to put off her friends (male or otherwise), but the point is the guy should never be in the position of having to make an ultimatum like this - the woman (and man) should know this intrinsically. If you have a quality relationship it's simply a matter of course to want to exclusively attend to the person you're intimate with, and any exceptions imply a less than ideal situation in the relationship. Being married for 8.5 years, my wife asks me if she can go to see friends out of respect and a desire to accomoddate me and I respond in kind when I am doing something social without her, but the fact remains that we do this because we are our first priorities to each other rather than it being an insecurity or posessiveness that debilatates us.