Aaron Clarey: Women Would Choose Extinction Over Beta Males

[FlexpertHamilton]

Idk bro I've seen guys way less attractive, masculine, and cool than me with hotter girls than I can usually get. I've lost count of how many times on the internet and irl I've seen the kind of girls I want to date going out with a guy that just sucks. It makes me think that there's something wrong with me since I'm a decent looking, masculine guy who takes care of his physique, lifts weights, has cool hobbies, and plays in a rock n roll band yet my dating life mostly consists of hookups with chubby girls from dating apps that are far more attracted to me than I am to them. It's maddening, like why do these low testosterone pipsqueak nerds get to date attractive women when on paper I'm better than them yet I'm stuck with settling for less?

Different reasons:

1) Social proof + luck
2) Women on hormonal BC tend to prefer more beta/provider/stable types
3) Narcissism in women is rampant, and they hate men they can't control, thus soyboys are preferrable

 

[Mike32ct]

Idk bro I've seen guys way less attractive, masculine, and cool than me with hotter girls than I can usually get. I've lost count of how many times on the internet and irl I've seen the kind of girls I want to date going out with a guy that just sucks. It makes me think that there's something wrong with me since I'm a decent looking, masculine guy who takes care of his physique, lifts weights, has cool hobbies, and plays in a rock n roll band yet my dating life mostly consists of hookups with chubby girls from dating apps that are far more attracted to me than I am to them. It's maddening, like why do these low testosterone pipsqueak nerds get to date attractive women when on paper I'm better than them yet I'm stuck with settling for less?

It’s not necessarily some head to head comparison of who is more “masculine.”

It’s possible to be “mogged” by a seemingly less masculine dude due to some seemingly minor physical difference. He could be nerdy af but slightly taller or have thicker hair or slightly better face/jaw/cheekbones/eyes.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Different reasons:

1) Social proof + luck
2) Women on hormonal BC tend to prefer more beta/provider/stable types
3) Narcissism in women is rampant, and they hate men they can't control, thus soyboys are preferrable

Still tho, are women really attracted to these unmasculine nerdy guys who still play nintendo and collect funkopops? Never thought in a million years that my biggest "competition" in the dating scene would be these types. I have no idea what I can do against this phenomenon

 

[BergischerLöwe]

It’s not necessarily some head to head comparison of who is more “masculine.”

It’s possible to be “mogged” by a seemingly less masculine dude due to some seemingly minor physical difference. He could be nerdy af but slightly taller or have thicker hair or slightly better face/jaw/cheekbones/eyes.

But these guys are clearly less attractive than me and a lot of them look like they couldn't press an empty barbell overhead and are losing their hair. Meanwhile I look like I lift and have long blonde hair that isn't falling out. Yet I'm still stuck only getting to meet girls that are a tier or two below me in looks. The phenomenon of attractive women going out with these beta nerdy pipsqueak guys really doesn't make any sense no matter how I look at it. I don't think I'm overestimating my attractiveness either

 

[BergischerLöwe]

There’s plenty of reasons, but RP deep thrusters and incels would rather hear cope reasons.

What are the reasons?

 

[Mike32ct]

But these guys are clearly less attractive than me and a lot of them look like they couldn't press an empty barbell overhead and are losing their hair. Meanwhile I look like I lift and have long blonde hair that isn't falling out. Yet I'm still stuck only getting to meet girls that are a tier or two below me in looks. The phenomenon of attractive women going out with these beta nerdy pipsqueak guys really doesn't make any sense no matter how I look at it. I don't think I'm overestimating my attractiveness either

Hmm, I don’t know then.

I was referring to scenarios where sometimes a nerdy “pretty boy” can win the girl instead of a more rugged masculine guy.

But I see your point. Sounds like you have the looks.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Hmm, I don’t know then.

I was referring to scenarios where sometimes a nerdy “pretty boy” can win the girl instead of a more rugged masculine guy.

But I see your point. Sounds like you have the looks.

Yeah I got the looks and on paper I should be able to get women at least as attractive as I am but I've only been with about two or three women who were actually kinda hot and those flings didn't last. With the rest I felt like I was being ripped off since I was settling those times. Maybe I don't meet as many women since I'm more introverted, but even so there's no reason why I should be having this issue that I've described. I'm completely baffled by all of this, that I have to settle for less than I'm worth while the attractive women are with these loser guys. Even if I'm more of an introvert there's no good reason why I largely haven't been able to meet and date women who are at least "looksmatch" or whatever the kids say

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Still tho, are women really attracted to these unmasculine nerdy guys who still play nintendo and collect funkopops?

No, they probably don't respect them and cheat. They just like the validation/comfort they provide while they exercise other options because the guys have no spine and set no boundaries.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Ultimately girls decide. An ex- from work wound up with a total beta guy after we ended. He’s super nice & I actually really like him. I mog him & she told me I have a bigger dvck than him. But. she’s with him.

 

[CornbreadFed]

What are the reasons?

I just made a topic about it but the RP posters hated it.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

No, they probably don't respect them and cheat. They just like the validation/comfort they provide while they exercise other options because the guys have no spine and set no boundaries.

So how can I find more attractive women that I can actually date? Mind you I'm not going for instagram models. I'm fine with girls that are a seven in the face, not fat, and with a nice rack. But it seems like most of the women who want anything to do with me are a tier below me in looks. Maybe they perceive me as more attainable for some reason?

 

[CornbreadFed]

So how can I find more attractive women that I can actually date? Mind you I'm not going for instagram models. I'm fine with girls that are a seven in the face, not fat, and with a nice rack. But it seems like most of the women who want anything to do with me are a tier below me in looks. Maybe they perceive me as more attainable for some reason?

Any guy can get a few leads by leading with his wallet regardless of his situation. However, if you prefer a more natural way then it is a complicated process that will not be achieved over night. Right now, you have been conditioned by frustrations and toxicity on the internet, you are going to have to go through a process of burning down the house and rebuilding the structure & foundation.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Any guy can get a few leads by leading with his wallet regardless of his situation. However, if you prefer a more natural way then it is a complicated process that will not be achieved over night. Right now, you have been conditioned by frustrations and toxicity on the internet, you are going to have to go through a process of burning down the house and rebuilding the structure & foundation.

The main problem I have is that I'm completely dependent on apps to meet women, and over the years I've gotten diminishing returns from them so the quality and quantity of matches I get is far less than like 2017/18. I've detailed my experience with this in other threads

 

[CornbreadFed]

The main problem I have is that I'm completely dependent on apps to meet women, and over the years I've gotten diminishing returns from them so the quality and quantity of matches I get is far less than like 2017/18. I've detailed my experience with this in other threads

Are you having issues getting good matches, girls on dates, or converting first dates?

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Are you having issues getting good matches, girls on dates, or converting first dates?

Mostly getting good matches. And my matches are underwhelming and I barely get a first date anyway. On average I go on one date a year. This year I haven't gone on any dates

 

[CornbreadFed]

Mostly getting good matches. And my matches are underwhelming and I barely get a first date anyway. On average I go on one date a year. This year I haven't gone on any dates

so if I’m reading correctly, you are struggling at converting matches to dates? How do the convos go?

 

[BergischerLöwe]

so if I’m reading correctly, you are struggling at converting matches to dates? How do the convos go?

Right now I'm struggling to even get good matches. The convos usually fizz out very quickly but most of the time I don't get a reply at all

 

[Robert28]

Idk bro I've seen guys way less attractive, masculine, and cool than me with hotter girls than I can usually get. I've lost count of how many times on the internet and irl I've seen the kind of girls I want to date going out with a guy that just sucks. It makes me think that there's something wrong with me since I'm a decent looking, masculine guy who takes care of his physique, lifts weights, has cool hobbies, and plays in a rock n roll band yet my dating life mostly consists of hookups with chubby girls from dating apps that are far more attracted to me than I am to them. It's maddening, like why do these low testosterone pipsqueak nerds get to date attractive women when on paper I'm better than them yet I'm stuck with settling for less?

When you find the answer let the rest of us know.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

When you find the answer let the rest of us know.

Does it happen to you too?

 

[Robert28]

Does it happen to you too?

I don’t do online dating anymore but when I did I actually got decent matches. I do notice what you’re talking about though.