A woman's point of view. Long, but are you surprised?

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Originally posted by Slashco
For a board whose professed purpose is to teach dating skills, there sure seem to be a lot of macho misogynistic woman-haters here...
Give me a break. This whole article was written in a self-serving, egomaniacal context. I don't doubt the validity of what she says, but I condemn the ideals which are the foundation of her entire diatribe. "I want, I want, I want.... I am entitled to this and that" What is she offering, exactly, in return? The chance for us to catch a glimpse at her naked ass? Wow, that certainly makes all the effort worth it! (note sarcasm):rolleyes:

The bottom line is this: we, as men, have better things to do then become a woman's personal and private court jester. Is that what you want... to be a source of amusement to a woman? Because when you boil it down that is what you are condoning. And what will you receive in return? As we've clearly determined, the author of the original text offers absolutely nothing in terms of reciprocation for our endeavors to create a magical wonderland of thrilling delights (as she would have it) solely for her pleasure. I would rather die a bitter, sex-less old bastard than sacrifice my time, money, and most importantly, my dignity, for the ultimate prize (more sarcasm) of a common piece of ass.
 

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Originally posted by booty-naughtyness-spur
this is a forum for learning. if you have nothing to gain from a particular post, then by all means- flame the hell out of it. that gets something accomplished.


Quite the contrary. I learned a lot from this post. Specifically, that women are totally out of touch with reality and most men (including a few on this board) are totally content with conforming to their whimsical fantasy world.


i don't think she was saying she wants someone to entertain her while she sits in a sadan chair eating bonbons and being fanned by a cabana boy... if she did, she could snap her fingers and have some lil afc do that for her. she wants a man. MAN. someone who will excite her and keep her on her toes...


Maybe you can tell me what the difference is between that AFC and that "MAN" (as you say)? Seems to me they are both supplicating... the "MAN" just has a more clandestine method to which he supplicates.


if some of you think that women are only good for fukking, i pity you... there's more to women then a wet hole.
With the exception of non-romantic relationships, no woman has ever proved that to be true. Since this whole thread is in the context of romantic relationships, I'll have to respectfully disagree.
 

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it's not women hating thing, even though some people do (hah matrix, im looking at you )
Yes... a misogynist (well... a reformed one) is in the building. Okay... this post did make very good points, and newbies should take a look @ it because it is very insightful. Now... my problem with it. I agree with a lot of the other guys... why should it be my responsibility to entertain some dame? Can she not entertain herself. Aren't a lot of women always talking about nice guys being sooo dependent on them? (Reloaded senses the pot calling the kettle black) "Oh... girl's want fun and excitement, sweet... now all I have to do is be fun and exciting around me and I'm in!" Wrong... you are still being a slave to women, and women know this. Don't you guys see it? (Perhaps I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist, but sue me) The whole "nice guy" thing is dying faster than people with SARS. Girls are starting to realize this, so they are finally "telling" us what they "really" want... what I really want is a girl to do the same thing for me. I don't want to lead all the time, how about that? Why don't you grab me by the hand and take me through a forest that I haven't been to yet, but that you visited on your own? Why don't you take me out to do something "fun" and "exciting"? Sweep me off of my feet, damn it!

What girl's aren't realizing is that this door swings both ways. Guys don't like doormat girls either (@ least I don't) I don't like a girl that likes to avoid conflicts and agrees with everything I say... I can't stand that. I like girls who tell me what my limits are... it goes both ways sportfans. A lot of girls just think that if they dress up and they look nice that the game is over... sorry, it's just beginning. Just like us, a lot of girls have to start bringing more to the table.

Take my current girlfriend for example. One of the reasons that I have been with her for 10 months and why I love her so much, is because it's the same on both sides. I push her limits, she pushes my limits. I'm a challenge to her, she's a challenge to me. I set up "fun" and "exciting" things and she does the same thing. A lot of girls need to understand that if want to make this criterion to judge guys against... you can expect the same thing.

There is no spoon...
 

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Originally posted by drZaius09
Give me a break. This whole article was written in a self-serving, egomaniacal context. I don't doubt the validity of what she says, but I condemn the ideals which are the foundation of her entire diatribe. "I want, I want, I want.... I am entitled to this and that" What is she offering, exactly, in return? The chance for us to catch a glimpse at her naked ass? Wow, that certainly makes all the effort worth it! (note sarcasm):rolleyes:

The bottom line is this: we, as men, have better things to do then become a woman's personal and private court jester. Is that what you want... to be a source of amusement to a woman? Because when you boil it down that is what you are condoning. And what will you receive in return? As we've clearly determined, the author of the original text offers absolutely nothing in terms of reciprocation for our endeavors to create a magical wonderland of thrilling delights (as she would have it) solely for her pleasure. I would rather die a bitter, sex-less old bastard than sacrifice my time, money, and most importantly, my dignity, for the ultimate prize (more sarcasm) of a common piece of ass.
If that's how you interpret the article, I can understand your reponse. I just read it completely differently. Perhaps your natural hatred of women has created a strong bias in you?
 

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Originally posted by Slashco
Perhaps your natural hatred of women has caused you to automatically criticize anything they say?
Perhaps.... or perhaps your natural ignorance causes you to jump to conclusions about others?
 

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When somebody frequenting a "Don Juan" forum bashes women claiming they're idiots and good for nothing but sex, and furthermore claiming he knows more about what they want than they do, and furthermore insulting their opinion when they try to give it, exactly what conclusion should I draw?
 

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Can you guys hear yourselves? This is a comment from another forum on the DJ site:


"Women are useless!"
"Yeah, women suck!"
"Why do they even bother to exist?"
"Yeah!!"
"Burp!"
"Yeah!!"

a few beers (or, judging from the maturity level, Zimas) later...


"Damn, I need a woman."
"Me too."
"Let's create an entire forum dedicated to pursuing women. Even though, they're all, y'know useless, and stuff."
"Yeah!"

a few more beers/Zimas...

"Damn, I'm sick of beating off."
"Me too."
"Wanna cuddle?"
"Yeah."
 

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Originally posted by Slashco
When somebody frequenting a "Don Juan" forum bashes women claiming they're idiots...


Never made that claim.

...and furthermore claiming he knows more about what they want than they do...


Never made that claim.

...and furthermore insulting their opinion when they try to give it...


Never did that either.

...exactly what conclusion should I draw?
Maybe if you paid attention a little better I wouldn't have to answer that for you.
 

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A little help for Slashco:


Originally posted by drZaius09
I don't doubt the validity of what she says, but I condemn the ideals which are the foundation of her entire diatribe.
 

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The jist of your argument was that women don't know what they want and should shut up, which is what I was taking issue with. I also believe you, the Matrix and a few others completely misinterpreted the original article. In fact, you created a 'straw man' to burn, or an imaginary article which you claim contains all sorts of nasty ideas that you could bash.
 

Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.

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Slashco...

The word you're looking for is "efigee."

But I still don't agree with you. I think Dr. Ziaus summed it up pretty well. It's not the content that some of us don't like, it's just the fact that it's still a woman with a list of "suggestions" (or whatever you'd like to call them).

I think this post can be read as one of two ways: You either see a list of thoughtful suggestions written by a woman who happens to know what she wants, or you see a list of demands that, however true they may be, are still a list of demands.

I take the latter view, but that's just my opinion. Others have the same disposition as I do and see it similarly, others do not. However, the crux is that it's a difference of viewpoints, and, in this case, neither is incorrect. A third viewpoint could be presented that doesn't agree with the other two; that's the nature of viewpoints. Look at quantum physics for good examples of multiple, often extremely different solutions for the exact same problem.

The point is, quit attacking each other. Take what you want from this post, post your own (well thought-out, but non-attacking) reply, and get the phuck on with your life.

Semper fi,
Dave
 

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Originally posted by Slashco
The jist of your argument was that women don't know what they want and should shut up, which is what I was taking issue with.
I honestly don't know whether you have my words confused with those of another poster, or whether you just have your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears. Either way, you just don't get it. Let me get one thing straight right now: I don't care who wrote this article; whether it be a man, a woman, or a f*cking android from planet Neptune. I believe whole-heartedly that the article is a true representation of a typical woman's mentality. Read that sentence again so there is no room for confusion. My issue is with the fact that the same women do nothing to deserve what has been mapped out in the same article. It's not as if she says "Do this, and we will return the favor by giving you that." No, all she says is, "Do this.... just for the priviledge of being in our company." It's almost as if she LEGITIMIZES the theory that sex is the only reward; after all, that is what is implied by the absence of any other conceivable benefit. Any man who would subscribe to her "demands" is merely a chump like any other, willing to do pretty much anything to get between a woman's legs-- and even though they may be doing it the right way (contrary to an afc), that doesn't make it any less of a self-deprecating form of behavior.
 

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I don't understand whether you continue to misinterpret the article and twist its meaning on purpose out of some deep-seated misogyny, or you are really that thick. If you haven't understood by now, I am done wasting my time trying to explain it to you. Good luck... you'll need it.
 

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Actually the word is "effigy" ;)

The article is useful, it only confirms what the bible tells us, that women and men interpret 'nice' in two different ways.

It also makes me think of the saying "Women are like monkeys.blah...hold of another", women want union ALL the time, I greatly think that women feel incomplete without a male around, and for that reason they are attracted to a male WHO doesn't need them!

Women feel incomplete when alone, probably due to females in the wild being more vunerable than males, I think this helps prove Pook's "Women are 100% sexual" argument.

Am I the only one who loves the Irony in that little statement?

I can honestly see why misogynists exist, women have a selfish, insecure, nigh-on destructive behavior, they would hate and disrespect men who would bend over backwards for them.

I am not a misogynist, but I also dislike the nature of women, and I agree that some people have asked why women feel they have a god-given right to excitement and entertainment (from us) in their lives?

Women know what they want, but most are too cowardly to say it, and they want us to be brave.

Women want men to be the replacement in their lives for EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE NOT.

Thanks for Listening, and I defintely got something from the post ;)
Lion.
 

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Originally posted by Lionheart
Actually the word is "effigy" ;)

The article is useful, it only confirms what the bible tells us, that women and men interpret 'nice' in two different ways.

It also makes me think of the saying "Women are like monkeys.blah...hold of another"
I don't get it, what does that mean?


Women want union ALL the time, I greatly think that women feel incomplete without a male around, and for that reason they are attracted to a male WHO doesn't need them!

Women feel incomplete when alone, probably due to females in the wild being more vunerable than males, I think this helps prove Pook's "Women are 100% sexual" argument.
You must have known a great deal of women on a very personal level to be able to draw these broad generalizations on the entire sex... :)

But think... would you be attracted to a woman who has no life and follows you around all the time?

Am I the only one who loves the Irony in that little statement?
There is irony all right, but not where you think.

I can honestly see why misogynists exist, women have a selfish, insecure, nigh-on destructive behavior, they would hate and disrespect men who would bend over backwards for them.
Again the generalization about half the world's population. Oh, and I guess men are holy virtuous saints when it comes to relationships...

I am not a misogynist, but I also dislike the nature of women
Then you are by definition a misogynist.

and I agree that some people have asked why women feel they have a god-given right to excitement and entertainment (from us) in their lives?
God forbid they should want something for themselves in a relationship. They should be content to be your sex toy, cook, and beer fetcher. They should ideally come with an 'off' switch too so you can store them in the closet when you don't feel like looking at 'em, eh?

Women know what they want, but most are too cowardly to say it,
But didn't she just say it, in that article?

Women want men to be the replacement in their lives for EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE NOT.

Thanks for Listening, and I defintely got something from the post ;)
Lion.
Women want men to keep up with them and have a good time, which is what most sane men want as well. I don't really see the big deal here.
 

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Originally posted by Slashco
misogyny
Boy, you certainly enjoy throwing that word around...

Personal attacks seem to be your primary resource here, so I'm going to withdraw from this conversation. I'd like to possibly resume it once you work out whatever issues you got going on over there. No hard feelings. These types of things are for pm's anyway, we shouldn't be clogging the board with this bullsh1t. And yes, I'm aware of the irony.
 

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Nice posts, I knew after reading the post that I had seen it somewhere else...and that the source originally posted was false...but I think I read it in an English newspaper/magazine last year...it seems like it has been published quite a lot.

Nevertheless, it was a good read and raises good points... that a man has to focus on himself etc. etc. but the Edge and dr. Zaius were spot on...

You have to look at it this way. Pook does state something similar, nevertheless it is from the perspective of the MAN...that YOU are one who has to follow his dreams and passions in life and do what YOU please. It is a means to an end...with the end being all about YOU and doing what YOU please

Metcalf only talks in terms of achieving a certain END in itself which concentrates in being someone, just to please her...and in her opinion that is what characteristics a man has to employ in order to get her wet.

That is a big difference, a subtle difference, but a big one nonetheless.

Nevertheless, it reveals a lot about women. The post was quite frank. If you do not take charge and be the man, she will eventually take charge of you and push your limits and eventually get bored...and you know what happens next.

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