Hmmm....it was Jesus selflessness that led to his crucifixion. He was selfless in giving his own life for our sins. This man was JESUS---he parted the Red Sea, he brought people from the dead, he turned water into wine. You don't think he could have escaped the grips of simple men? That was his mission, that was the ultimate plan of his birth---to save us selfish human beings who sin for the sake of sin. And please none of you are Jesus---no where near it. So your selfish actions are nothing to be compared to Jesus spreading the Gospel. Leaving a woman cause she isn't enhancing your happiness---has nothing to do with Jesus.
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And Latinoman....its cool. I am just curious how some of you Don Juans will teach your daughters about men. I think sometimes in your dialogue on here you all forget you have mothers, sisters, daughters, or soon to be daughters. Or rather I'd want to know that if some of the tactics you all promote were played on your daughters or your sisters and they came crying to you looking for answers or wondering what to do --- what would you tell her?
My daughter is 17 and it creeps me out now to realize what obvious thoughts men have of her. I mean, this is my little girl, my child. Because I think/hope I am a good dad, I see her and even her weird friends as nothing but children.
I have much more than this but it is so funny to go to the mall with her and see the sad, pathetic losers try, fail, or give up before even approaching her. Dudes: get this real clear: most guys would rather shoot themselves in the head with a nail gun than approach a girl. Those that do: do well: if they can be funny and interesting.
She has a fiance and plays him like a violin. He's total AFC you know. She knows this site, but, surprise surprise, already knows how to be a DJ, its natural for girls.
I don't have to tell her a goddammed thing. She, as most girls/women do, knows all this sh*t naturally.
"Crying to me looking for answers and what to do..." I think is what O asked. This does not happen, she does not need help on this. DJ's are rare, and if she encounters one, she could dj him on a higher level, I have no doubt.
Unpleasant to say, but this site exists because of a LACK of Dj's.
I have much more than this but it is so funny to go to the mall with her and see the sad, pathetic losers try, fail, or give up before even approaching her. Dudes: get this real clear: most guys would rather shoot themselves in the head with a nail gun than approach a girl. Those that do: do well: if they can be funny and interesting.
She has a fiance and plays him like a violin. He's total AFC you know. She knows this site, but, surprise surprise, already knows how to be a DJ, its natural for girls.
I don't have to tell her a goddammed thing. She, as most girls/women do, knows all this sh*t naturally.
"Crying to me looking for answers and what to do..." I think is what O asked. This does not happen, she does not need help on this. DJ's are rare, and if she encounters one, she could dj him on a higher level, I have no doubt.
Unpleasant to say, but this site exists because of a LACK of Dj's.
It's normal I don't make sense to you. You are arguing on the emotional level, I'm arguing on the logical level. Adapt to the logical level when reading my post.Oblivious said:
in·di·vid·u·al·ism [in-duh-vij-oo-uh-liz-uhm]
–noun
1. a social theory advocating the liberty, rights, or independent action of the individual.
2. the principle or habit of or belief in independent thought or action.
3. the pursuit of individual rather than common or collective interests; egoism.
4. individual character; individuality.
5. an individual peculiarity.
6. Philosophy. a. the doctrine that only individual things are real.
b. the doctrine or belief that all actions are determined by, or at least take place for, the benefit of the individual, not of society as a whole.
e·go·ism[ee-goh-iz-uhm, eg-oh-]
–noun
1. the habit of valuing everything only in reference to one's personal interest; selfishness (opposed to altruism).
2. egotism or conceit.
3. Ethics. the view that morality ultimately rests on self-interest
Source: http://dictionary.reference.com
Thank you for the personal attacks.
Knowledge is power. I prefer to acquire as much knowledge as possible through self-education & practice. Even if it comes from "amateur" philosophers on individualism, objectivism & existentialism such as Nietsche, Ayn Rand,... Being open-minded means that you first listen & read before making a LOGICAL choice on accepting or not accepting. If not you are just making assumptions (judging) about the unknown.
As you write: life will judge your choices as good or bad. Case closed Oblivious.
Good Luck.
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Listen here kid - the above post is crap!!!! Just be honest and state that you weren't pysically attracted to her any longer!! You are not fooling me!!!!!!!!!!!!Latinoman said:
Obnoxious, we have virgins older than you on this site. Whenever someone comes on here talking about what a fine upbringing they have had from their parents, I know that we are dealing with a certain type of person. I like to think of them as Sponge Bobs. The Sponge represents their brain, absorbing as it does, like a sponge, the theories of their parents.
It would perhaps be more convenient if you were to log on and then let your parents do the typing. Latinoman has given a full and satisfactory explanation for his actions, commendable as they are.
Oh, and it would seem that I have had sexual relationships with women 4 or 5 years older than you, when I was past 40. Does that mean that those women weren't thinking straight? Maybe you have friends in that age group. They are probably getting it from a guy like me, but they couldn't tell you, because they knew that your parents wouldn't approve.
It would perhaps be more convenient if you were to log on and then let your parents do the typing. Latinoman has given a full and satisfactory explanation for his actions, commendable as they are.
Oh, and it would seem that I have had sexual relationships with women 4 or 5 years older than you, when I was past 40. Does that mean that those women weren't thinking straight? Maybe you have friends in that age group. They are probably getting it from a guy like me, but they couldn't tell you, because they knew that your parents wouldn't approve.
I forgot to add, that there is no need to bore us with any details of your own sex life, even though that is what we mainly discuss here, because I am sure it has been rather uneventful and nothing which we have not heard before.
Also I don't want you to take it badly if I am slightly blunt with you but the bell curve goes both ways and I think you may be to the left side.
Also I don't want you to take it badly if I am slightly blunt with you but the bell curve goes both ways and I think you may be to the left side.
I'm actually physically attracted to her. Continue to be. I remember having sex FIVE TIMES in one day with her during the typical transitional period a married couple that are amiable parting ways goes through. FIVE TIMES in one day! FIVE TIMES with a woman that I was married for a very long time and didn't want to be with her. Add the fact that I was 37 years old when I did that!Last Man Standing said:
Don't talk about what you have zero understanding. If I'm not mistaking, you were the one that used to have a signature literally sucking Puerto Rican Poster (or whatever his name) nuts.
As for Jesus. You didn't listen to me. He was given the choice to rule as a god among men (Jewish Messiah) or give his life and show a self sacrificing love. Giving his life for our sins just simiplifies it.
I don't really care what you think about giving to charity. As I've said, look at what Jesus said about the rich man giving money in the temple, compared to the poor women giving her last amount of money.
As for Bin Laden and his followers - their act isn't selfish. By Matrying themselves they think they are guranteeing their place in paradise with 70 virgins (a mis traslation but anyway). That's the reason why you see alot of muslims destraught AFTER battle because they haven't been killed. It's not a selfish act because they ARE expecting a return.
I don't really care what you think about giving to charity. As I've said, look at what Jesus said about the rich man giving money in the temple, compared to the poor women giving her last amount of money.
As for Bin Laden and his followers - their act isn't selfish. By Matrying themselves they think they are guranteeing their place in paradise with 70 virgins (a mis traslation but anyway). That's the reason why you see alot of muslims destraught AFTER battle because they haven't been killed. It's not a selfish act because they ARE expecting a return.
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Latinoman said:
Sounds to me like you just didn't love her. It sounded more like you were describing a hobbie like reading comic books, or a TV show, that you just got tired of.
I'm just sayin :crazy:
"As for Bin Laden and his followers - their act isn't selfish. By Matrying themselves they think they are guranteeing their place in paradise with 70 virgins (a mis traslation but anyway). "
And by Jesus Christ not taking the riches offered to him and instead giving his life (e.g. martrying himself) in order to be sitting next to the Father?
Let's be consistent in here.
And by Jesus Christ not taking the riches offered to him and instead giving his life (e.g. martrying himself) in order to be sitting next to the Father?
Let's be consistent in here.
Though in reality this thread as nothing to do with anyone but latinoman, I can see why some would feel the need to post there opinion.
Simply it is entirely up-to latinoman to do with his life as he wishes, even if it does seem bizarre.
I was not going to reply to this thread but I can see why people would react and post a comment or two as a few things jump out at you, that are hard to ignore:
1. Why are you on a dating forum for meeting or becoming better at meeting women, when you had the perfect women already, it makes no sense.
2. Why get married in the first place? I understand things change but there must have been some idea of your shifting ideals pre-marriage, what was the motivator to marry at all?
3. The life you envisage now is it one of born again bachelor? And if not then the reasoning behind the break up is fundamentally hard to grasp and it is perceived to be something else going on in the background that is not clear.
Just some of the things that are unanswered that I imagine has been a motivating factor for some posts on here.
I could think of more, but as stated this is your life who are we or anyone else to judge what is right or wrong for you.
But I am still curious why you frequent a self help forum for meeting women?
Maybe I can answer?
Would it be due to the attraction of meeting new women and exploring the animistic urges of spreading the seed and breaking from conventional society norms (as put religious doctrine).
I find it hard to accept the statement of just I change, but then again as why should I care?
Not sure maybe this seems too cryptic to warrant an ignore.
Answer or not it does not matter it is your life after all.
As for marriage and Jesus and all that nonsense.
Lets look at this:
People say Jesus was selfless!
Was he really (if he existed at all).
Did he not want to spread his word of god about and thus converting people to know what he knew?
Is that not a selfish act in itself wanting others to follow his teachings, if he existed and was right then it may not be so bad (but still selfish), but if it was false then the act alone is fundamentally selfish, just like a preacher knocking on your door to convert you due to his believe in he is right and wanting the world to be just like him.
Incidentally I think religion is BS, spun by society to control and there is evidence for that fact if your willing to look for it.
So Marriage.
Again another social condition, if two people love each other there is no need for marriage, the whole concept is null and void.
There is no need for a certificate to show love, this is what I believe the issue. It could also be argued should love exist for life or for a day e.t.c.
I like to think all relationships have an element of love, some find it forever some stay due to social conditioning others move on and love again when it is time to do so.
Truth is here I cant see anyone leaving a partner if they where in true love, the pain would be too hard to bear, plus love would be a goal that surpasses all your other materialistic goals also, sex gets boring and looses its luster and we all know sex with one you love is amplified to a degree it makes the rest look like a posh wan*.
Be offended or not Latinoman I will simply put I don’t think you loved her all the rest is just trimmings.
Simply it is entirely up-to latinoman to do with his life as he wishes, even if it does seem bizarre.
I was not going to reply to this thread but I can see why people would react and post a comment or two as a few things jump out at you, that are hard to ignore:
1. Why are you on a dating forum for meeting or becoming better at meeting women, when you had the perfect women already, it makes no sense.
2. Why get married in the first place? I understand things change but there must have been some idea of your shifting ideals pre-marriage, what was the motivator to marry at all?
3. The life you envisage now is it one of born again bachelor? And if not then the reasoning behind the break up is fundamentally hard to grasp and it is perceived to be something else going on in the background that is not clear.
Just some of the things that are unanswered that I imagine has been a motivating factor for some posts on here.
I could think of more, but as stated this is your life who are we or anyone else to judge what is right or wrong for you.
But I am still curious why you frequent a self help forum for meeting women?
Maybe I can answer?
Would it be due to the attraction of meeting new women and exploring the animistic urges of spreading the seed and breaking from conventional society norms (as put religious doctrine).
I find it hard to accept the statement of just I change, but then again as why should I care?
Not sure maybe this seems too cryptic to warrant an ignore.
Answer or not it does not matter it is your life after all.
As for marriage and Jesus and all that nonsense.
Lets look at this:
People say Jesus was selfless!
Was he really (if he existed at all).
Did he not want to spread his word of god about and thus converting people to know what he knew?
Is that not a selfish act in itself wanting others to follow his teachings, if he existed and was right then it may not be so bad (but still selfish), but if it was false then the act alone is fundamentally selfish, just like a preacher knocking on your door to convert you due to his believe in he is right and wanting the world to be just like him.
Incidentally I think religion is BS, spun by society to control and there is evidence for that fact if your willing to look for it.
So Marriage.
Again another social condition, if two people love each other there is no need for marriage, the whole concept is null and void.
There is no need for a certificate to show love, this is what I believe the issue. It could also be argued should love exist for life or for a day e.t.c.
I like to think all relationships have an element of love, some find it forever some stay due to social conditioning others move on and love again when it is time to do so.
Truth is here I cant see anyone leaving a partner if they where in true love, the pain would be too hard to bear, plus love would be a goal that surpasses all your other materialistic goals also, sex gets boring and looses its luster and we all know sex with one you love is amplified to a degree it makes the rest look like a posh wan*.
Be offended or not Latinoman I will simply put I don’t think you loved her all the rest is just trimmings.
I loved her. And quite honestly, I still care for her wellfare (but not to the point of "love" or even considering going back).
Think about this...why do men STAY in very bad marriages? Because of $$$.
If I didn't love...then I would have stayed and done whatever I wanted it. Heck, even get a job that required my stay away during the week and come home during the weekends. It would have been much cheaper that way as we all know a divorce tends to be expensive.
But I choose to do the right thing.
What I did is not much different to what women do OVER and OVER and OVER. It is just that society views it (when women does this) as acceptable. And they have problem comprehending it when a man does it.
Think about this...why do men STAY in very bad marriages? Because of $$$.
If I didn't love...then I would have stayed and done whatever I wanted it. Heck, even get a job that required my stay away during the week and come home during the weekends. It would have been much cheaper that way as we all know a divorce tends to be expensive.
But I choose to do the right thing.
What I did is not much different to what women do OVER and OVER and OVER. It is just that society views it (when women does this) as acceptable. And they have problem comprehending it when a man does it.
Agreed they do.Latinoman said:
But love can be translated many ways.
Love can mean you sacrificed some ideal to give some one a better life, though to what extend was it your choice to make?
Love is also perceived as a selfish trait, conditions have to be met for love to happen and for it to survive this is simple fact, if the person who you are in love with breaks some of your ideals too many times love soon fades, so love in this form can be seen as selfish.
There can be unconditional love, but this imo is mainly evident with strong family units.
My idea of love is no matter what you will ride it out together, an old romantic maybe, but this is my idea of true love, been washed over with it and being consumed by it, so the worldly problems and struggles seem second rate to keeping this love alive.
Sadly I have not found that and most probably never will, not in this society I don’t thing, it is far too disposable for that to exist, too many options making love watered down in its context. But even saying this I think you can experience it even if its simply for a day, with some one special.
For a wife a lover, I simply think the love was not as strong as you would probably have liked it to be.
There are some relationships, evident in the older generation where love as and companionship as been the only method and you can witness couples going through some major issues and still being together and when is all said and done, a lot of the older generating turn around and say ‘ I know what was important to me’. This sadly is not this generations ways for a lot of people. This to me is Love, the rest is simply the disposable variety.
But your not the only one.
Should we blame anyone, no it is evident we are all as bad as each other and is endemic.
Which ever who is to say one way is better then the other? it is clear we have more options now then our older generation did, maybe this is a factor also.
I am single and i enjoy it. just for the record.
QFT.Latinoman said:
Nice post and so true, but is that a bad thing? maybe.
One thing that still i find facinating about all this is the minority cultures around that have arranged marriages or follow religious docterine and stay together due to these believes. As soon as you step away from all of that you cant help to think there is something more primal going on and the rest was simply a product of mental conditioning.
Maybe the reason things are like they are, due to its simply what we are?
LTM marriage e.t.c the worth is in the compatibility i think.
Seems maybe this unconditional love did not stand the test of time and you had the balls to leave it. Cant fault you for that! But as posted i am still an old romantic at heart and think some day a women may come along to make all else seem like second rate and that includes worldy issues. But agreed people in the past stayed together for other reasons other then simply love.
Thats why a relationship this day and age between man and wife can mean so much more. So again maybe the love was not as strong to survive over all obsticles which to me, when found should surpass all other things and be the no1 issue for a man or a women to work in maintaining.
Some may call that suffication, well to me i call it knowing you have a good thing and both working on mainting that feeling of love e.t.c. But the more i look at this the more i seem to think its about compatibility and the right circumstances bred to help create those emotions and keep a couple strong.
I agree that Religion has been used to control populations, e.g. prophesies used to be written to get populations to vote one way or another. And it's certainly true that Constantine used Christianity to unify the Roman Empire while never showing any of the true qualities of a Christian (like alot of Popes too).
However something I've always said is this, "I'm not sure about whether there is a God, but Civilisation needs Religion". For that exact reason, it controls people. People aren't good by nature but selfishly driven and therefore evil, the problem with the rat race and people only being out for themselves is that the strong WON'T survive as the weak won't be as controllable than if they feared God. Everyone is pulling against everyone and eventually it will all come apart. Jesus said that was one of the signs for the end of days, loss of Religion - again I'm not sure if he ever existed but if he didn't the writer was a pretty smart bloke. We can see this in our modern society and MANY of the problems it has that we didn't have 30 years ago. As for Jesus being selfish in any way, he wasn't - that was the point of the whole thing real of imagined. He was already God so he could do anything and he didn't earn anything but he choose to go through with a horrific death to show us a selfless love rather than live as a ruthless dictator - he wanted us to learn from his example and make the same choices he made. However it's naieve to not act selfishly as when you begin to understand most people are selfish (especially women) then that causes you to act selfishly. That's the reason why Communism didn't work, people are selfish and corrupt. The fear of God is stronger than some political ideology to keep the masses sedate. Religion is the opioum of the masses after all. This is something that those in control (the rich and powerful) have had to do since the dawn of civilisation but it's probably in our own best interests. As for those who say that I'm basically good even though I'm an atheisist - remember you have grown up in a society that has years of Christian indoctrination - even our own laws are generally based on the Commandments. When people stop thinking like that then who is to say what society we will live in. We may start seeing the truth (as far as an atheist sees it) and see people as objects or animals with no worth except what we can use, instead of vessels that contain souls. Basically that's almost the definition of a psychopath - A world of them. Maybe that's over the top but I'm not too sure it is.
Where does all this come into with women. It keeps the family unit togeather and while that might not be the happiest arrangement for either parent, it's certainly better for the children and therefore society because the kids don't grow up with trust/abandement isues or a not have a strong authoritive parent (the father - as Chris Rock says "The strongest thing you can say to your kid is, I'm going to tell Daddy"). Therefore because it's best for society, you can be certain it's going to be a BIG part of religion - probably created to keep the populace under control.
Funny thing is I still I'm "Not Sure" about the whole God thing, that's how powerful the desire or the fear is OR just the indoctrinational.
However something I've always said is this, "I'm not sure about whether there is a God, but Civilisation needs Religion". For that exact reason, it controls people. People aren't good by nature but selfishly driven and therefore evil, the problem with the rat race and people only being out for themselves is that the strong WON'T survive as the weak won't be as controllable than if they feared God. Everyone is pulling against everyone and eventually it will all come apart. Jesus said that was one of the signs for the end of days, loss of Religion - again I'm not sure if he ever existed but if he didn't the writer was a pretty smart bloke. We can see this in our modern society and MANY of the problems it has that we didn't have 30 years ago. As for Jesus being selfish in any way, he wasn't - that was the point of the whole thing real of imagined. He was already God so he could do anything and he didn't earn anything but he choose to go through with a horrific death to show us a selfless love rather than live as a ruthless dictator - he wanted us to learn from his example and make the same choices he made. However it's naieve to not act selfishly as when you begin to understand most people are selfish (especially women) then that causes you to act selfishly. That's the reason why Communism didn't work, people are selfish and corrupt. The fear of God is stronger than some political ideology to keep the masses sedate. Religion is the opioum of the masses after all. This is something that those in control (the rich and powerful) have had to do since the dawn of civilisation but it's probably in our own best interests. As for those who say that I'm basically good even though I'm an atheisist - remember you have grown up in a society that has years of Christian indoctrination - even our own laws are generally based on the Commandments. When people stop thinking like that then who is to say what society we will live in. We may start seeing the truth (as far as an atheist sees it) and see people as objects or animals with no worth except what we can use, instead of vessels that contain souls. Basically that's almost the definition of a psychopath - A world of them. Maybe that's over the top but I'm not too sure it is.
Where does all this come into with women. It keeps the family unit togeather and while that might not be the happiest arrangement for either parent, it's certainly better for the children and therefore society because the kids don't grow up with trust/abandement isues or a not have a strong authoritive parent (the father - as Chris Rock says "The strongest thing you can say to your kid is, I'm going to tell Daddy"). Therefore because it's best for society, you can be certain it's going to be a BIG part of religion - probably created to keep the populace under control.
Funny thing is I still I'm "Not Sure" about the whole God thing, that's how powerful the desire or the fear is OR just the indoctrinational.
Oh before someone calls me a woman hater for calling women more selfish than men. It's just that they are more emotional, and therefore act on their emotions without taking into account either reason or anyone else's feelings. I don't even think they would disagree with that.
Hmmm...I disagree. But its not a race on who is more selfish or not. But women are more selfless than men. We think of others way before ourselves and men take advantage of that. And this whole forum is just trying to find methods to persuade women to accept, bow down to male selfish demands.