a more serious topic - depression

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I think many people get into the spiral of depression because they have achieved all of their goals and have stopped creating new ones. The continuously spin their wheels, go through their day to day motions of work, pay the bills, watch TV...that their life becomes dull, bland, and tasteless.
In my case it's serious issues with my business and to a lesser extent the betrayal of several "friends" which are somewhat intertwined.

Basically, some of the people who were closest to me screwed me over and sent my life into chaos, and now I have to work seven days a week trying to pick up all the pieces.

Life really doesn't feel like it's worth living when you don't even have ONE day off. And what's especially bad is that no matter how hard I work it just seems like I get hit with another setback every other week. As soon as my business partner fractured his neck in a car accident I knew I better get some meds cause I don't want to try to find out how far I can go before I break.

You know, it might sound corny, but this board helps me a LOT. It's sad that this is my only "hobby" right now, but discussing women and life in general is therapeutic and it's something I can do when I have a spare minute or two. It's like my escape.
 

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STR8UP said:
In my case it's serious issues with my business and to a lesser extent the betrayal of several "friends" which are somewhat intertwined.

Basically, some of the people who were closest to me screwed me over and sent my life into chaos, and now I have to work seven days a week trying to pick up all the pieces.

Life really doesn't feel like it's worth living when you don't even have ONE day off. And what's especially bad is that no matter how hard I work it just seems like I get hit with another setback every other week. As soon as my business partner fractured his neck in a car accident I knew I better get some meds cause I don't want to try to find out how far I can go before I break.

You know, it might sound corny, but this board helps me a LOT. It's sad that this is my only "hobby" right now, but discussing women and life in general is therapeutic and it's something I can do when I have a spare minute or two. It's like my escape.
Ahh man. I feel for you brother. I think every guy that reads on this board and posts on this board finds it therapeutic as well. Its a good place to get advice and give advice to guys that are going through their trials.

I can say all the trite expressions to help you out - "there's a silver lining" - "the only direction is up" - "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger" -- we can spit tired quotes and lines from Swingers the movie til we're blue in the face. But, busting a** 7 days a week with no break, rebuilding a business in chaos is no easy feet. But can it be done? HELL f*cking yes. Will it be done? INDEED!

You're life is jagged right now. Most people in this situation would feel sorry for themselves and ask themselves why oh why did GOD, Jesus, Buddah, Alah, or whatever religion - why is this happening to me?

That's the natural response. If you haven't done this already, I ask you to view not WHY is this happening...rather...WHAT is this situation asking of me. I see a situation where a weakend man that has taken all the sucker punches of life has the opportunity for the comeback. Life is a marathon bro, and you're at mile 13.1 with 13.1 miles left. This too will pass.

You may not see it now. Just like when we were in college studyin 10 hours a day, taking no doze pills to stay awake, going through the trials to finally finish, hold a successful job, and have a great career. So to will your glory days come again. If you had once owned a successful business, who the hell thinks you can't do it again? Or maybe this situation is asking you to pack up the bags and start a new business. Maybe go back to school and complete that degree in culinary arts you always wanted.

Man, I'm pumped for you bro! Greatness has thrusted itself upon you! Damn..I'm counting like 9 trite expressions in this post!

Godspeed bro.
 

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STR8UP said:
Hell, I read an article about a 17 yr old high school girl turning down a $1.5 million offer to buy her internet company and even I start to wonder what the fukk I'm doing wrong.
haha, i saw a similar article. 17 year old chic was offered 8 milliion for her company. and she turend it down!

today i just heard that one of the guys i grew up with is getting married to a hottie.

always lots of stuff in life to make you wonder if you've messed up your life. :)
 

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I read that article also. The girl ran a Myspace resource website and were making around 70k-90k/month. I hate rag to riches story, only great if its about me :D
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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VU Agreed! ACTION!!!!= Anti-Depressant. An idle mind is a deadly one.
 

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Frenchie, (I was inspired to reply. This may help FC, but it may also help those who are in the same kind of situation as FC)
learn to forgive yourself and the ex.

You need to release any and all contempt and hatred.
Resentment is toxic.

Remember the famous Mandela quote (paraphrased):

"To hold resentment is akin to drinking poison and hoping the other guy dies."

Your failure in reltionships with women may be caused by the problems with perception and vision of yourself and especially , women.
Add in the factor in how you viewed your Mother as a Woman, and now you have a conflict of perceptions with women. Perhaps you idealize your Mother, now that she has passed away you have no positive image of women, throw in the behavior of the ex, and you've got serious issues in perceptions about women, and you interactions with women.

You may now view all women as your Ex, and feel that all women will automatically behave in that way.
You also may see yourself as a failure, and the impression is so strong, that you only keep reliving the same kind of negative scenario.
Not wanting it to happen again,perhaps you shut down, and refrain from engaging in relationshiops with women where you'll feel vulnerable again.

Let go of the resentment.
Let go of feeling guilty for not "doing better."
Let go of believing that you have to be the same person forever, and that you are sentenced to repeat past mistakes and experiences over and over again.
Learn to love and appreciate women again.
Appreciate who your mom is, and what she did for you. emember those outstanding qualities of hers, and wht you admired about her. Realize that women can be good people. Your dear mother was a "good woman."

Your ex was simply not one of them.

All women are not your ex.
There are good women out there. But the more negative YOU are, the less chance you will have in finding them.Raise your vibration. Think with your Higher Self, and learn to trust in your spiritual beliefs, and the gut instinct that knows your desires.
To follow a spiritual path is to follow a path of happiness and freedom. And especially, continued growth , and appreciaton for all things.

You don't have to live a life you don't desire.
You are not your Depression or your sadness.
You are not directly responsible for your mother's life. Don't live as if it was your "fault". Remember, you're a grown man now.

You are indirectly responsible for the situation with your ex though.
How so?
Because you invited that woman into your life. Take responsibility for that. Be a man. accept that it happened. But it is in the past. You gain nothing, absolutely nothing from reliving it. And that might be what you've been doing.
Reliving those past mistakes, ruminating over them, obsessing over them can keep you in the pain and the darkness.
Letting go of all that takes you to happiness and fulfillment.
Don't give the ex that control over your happiness and wellbeing.


Let go of identifying with the pain.

Continue to learn , explore, and grow.

Discover yourSELF.

P.S. I think depression sets in because of frustration in not living the life you really want. Frustration is desire unfulfilled.If people really knew that the secret to life is simply do what makes you happy, there would be more action in that direction.
Remember,"Follow your bliss."
 

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Victory Unlimited said:
I have found that Depression is often the result of TOO MUCH thinking and NOT ENOUGH action!
It can also be the result of much action that does not produce results. that's where I'm at right now.
 

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STR8UP said:
It can also be the result of much action that does not produce results. that's where I'm at right now.
This is often true - sometimes a flurry of activity produces little progress.
Sometimes it even makes things worse - it gets frustrating ....but here is the difference between men and women.
Women will complain and whine to their girlfriends , who , many times will undermine the project by saying stuff like ," It was not meant to be."

Men need to just step back and re-assess our options and choose our next course. Courage and endurance and even some faked-up determination are all helpful,

I have this written on my fridge - " It ain't easy but its entirely possible."

Good hunting, men.
 
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STR8UP said:
It can also be the result of much action that does not produce results. that's where I'm at right now.
If current actions produce negative results, change direction and try again. You must fail to succeed. The light bulb took 999 tries (literally) before it was perfected.
 

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Str8up said:
It can also be the result of much action that does not produce results. that's where I'm at right now.
Well said. I do think some people, for whatever reason, get results from minimal effort while another person can put a lot of effort and seem to do all the right things and not get results. As much as people may deny it, there is an element of luck and happenstances to life and things that are totally outside of one's control. Also I think people who are objective, goal and results oriented (I tend to be that way and it seems you are as well str8up)can get disappointed more easily than someone that basis their happiness subjectively.
 

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keto,

you made a really, really intriguing point.

My belief is that there is no such thing as "luck" or "happen stance".

I firmly believe that your desires, charged with positve energy, manifest the things you want in your life.


If you are not getting what you want..then that only means that your desire is not strong enough, and/or there are still conflicting emotons about it happening.

"I want that car..BUT....I couldn't really afford it."

"I want that woman...BUT...I'm not worthy enough."

"I want to be happy...BUT...too many bad things have happened to me."
 

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STR8UP said:
It can also be the result of much action that does not produce results. that's where I'm at right now.

Yes. I agree with THIS observation too. And here's the prescription for getting depression from THAT scenario:

Apply massive action to either an unrealistic goal, OR a realistic goal with an unrealistic time line and it equals FRUSTRATION. And when we are either unable or UNWILLING to modify our expectations in a timely enough fashion-----DEPRESSION is the end result.

Peace...TODAY.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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well i can tell you im in the process of quiting smoking, and my mood is all over the place. sometimes im on cloud 9 for a few hours, then suddenly im angry, then sometimes im depressed, etc.

the toughest thing about quiting smoking is looking back on the 14 years i have smoked and realizing i gave those years away to cigarettes.

i think break the addiction to depression, and in some cases i think it is an addiction to a certain form of thinking, probably has the same effect - you have to let go of how you've always done things and do them a completely new way.

not an easy transformation. but its the same thing we tell AFCs to do with regards to women.

the older i get the more i realize that i lived a lot of my life with a woman's attitude. while i worked towards my goals i never really OWNED my life.

now that im older i realize that you have to live life with a bit of the spartan attitude. you can have ZERO self pity. you must accept that suffering is a part of growth. you can want thingsa nd people , but you must never NEED things and people. you must acknowledge that life is fast and fleeting and as such action is required at every turn, or time will simply pass you by. and lastly you must be prepared to stand up for yourself and your beliefs, no matter what the costs.

right now as i try to quit smoking i remind myself of the spartans and i try to imagine what kind of an attitude they would take towards smoking. they would consider the addiction a weakness and they would crush it. they would endure whateve suffering was necessary to win the battle.
 

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Victory Unlimited said:
Yes. I agree with THIS observation too. And here's the prescription for getting depression from THAT scenario:

Apply massive action to either an unrealistic goal, OR a realistic goal with an unrealistic time line and it equals FRUSTRATION. And when we are either unable or UNWILLING to modify our expectations in a timely enough fashion-----DEPRESSION is the end result.

Peace...TODAY.
It's not always that easy.

Sometimes your goals and timelines are laid out for you due to a current situation.

Sure, there's always a way out, but at what cost?

I could throw up my hands and move to the other side of the world tomorrow but I would screw a whole lot of people in the process, and it wouldn't do anything to make my problems go away.
 

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The problem with depression is you analyze the end result. I SIMPLY DO NOT CARE ABOUT RESULTS. When I entered the business world as a young man, I was filled with worry , stress and anxiety. But I took a look at the LIQUID GUYS and even though they had tons of money they had responsibilites 10* greater than my own. That's when it hit me. You will only get as BIG as what you can handle.

One day I was in Vegas and playing blackjack at the time with the CEO of GE.
Nice guy. You would never know he was a man of success. I remember this day because it was a life lesson. One of his affiliates came to him and said " The Board of Directors let us go!". The man giving the news was in extreme panic. The CEO sat there and continued to play. He says "You win some, you lose some."

That is when i took a leaf of NO EMOTION towards business.

Ever since that day , my own business skyrocketed. I was no longer slave to it's results. I was no longer in DESPERATION.

You will only GROW up to your tolerance.

In life, you can only do your best. Is stress and anxiety taking away or adding to your problems?

Hey, I lost a fortune , been to jail and started over in a completely new business with no capital. I went belly-up in 4 ventures thus far. But one thing I never do is take it personally. It's only business. Yes it hurts to be ILLIQUID. Believe me , I know. Especially when you were once up there and people saw you as such. But I never stop pushing because at the end of the day my only enemy is ME. I do not stress results. I focus on ACTION. And sure enough it is a matter of time. Why? I know who I am.

My goal is not to be LIQUID. That's easy. With enough drive and discipline, anyone can achieve that outcome. My goal is to ENDURE. I almost take pleasure in being an under-dog striving to take the HEAVYWEIGHT title. There is no greater satisfaction in life than in RISING EVERY TIME WE FALL.
 
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