A Man NEVER has to Grow Old

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See you say the stupidest things. Women generally age faster than men do. And men's fashion isn't as revealing as young women's. And who was talking about a 50 year old man wearing college attire? You like to twists things around.

ME ME ME, I WAS.

That is why YOU are the one who was twisting things around.

Anyways, for those of you who are interested, I found something that says what I am saying. Maybe a man saying it will have a better reception than an iq: http://men.style.com/details/blogs/thegadabout/2008/02/its-time-to-sta.html

Call up a mental picture, for a moment, of Dina Lohan. In your mind's eye, the 45-year-old stage mom is probably wearing a low-cut top and a denim miniskirt. Maybe a pair of UGGs. In other words, an outfit a lot like one her 21-year-old daughter would wear. If you're reading this story and you're a 35-plus-year-old wearing a faux-vintage Urban Outfitters T-shirt and plaid Vans, you and Dina Lohan have a lot in common. Only, not having a honey-colored spray-on tan and highlights, you don't look as good.

In addition to the midriff-baring mom, you're inadvertently aligning yourself with another type you probably scorn: the Midlife Crisis Man. Being 38 and wearing a retro Sea World tee under a hoodie to Sunday brunch is essentially the same as being 48 and wearing a leather bomber and dog tags. You and Midlife Crisis Man—see Anthony Bourdain (dressing like a punk might be his thing, but the man is over 50) and Harrison Ford (the dad jeans don't cancel out the fear-of-mortality earring)—each might as well be wearing a big ol' baseball hat that says I'M AFRAID OF GETTING OLD.

"I don't get it," says Tim Gunn, Project Runway mentor and chief creative officer at Liz Claiborne. "I think men look older when they try to dress young. You stop and look at them, because there's something incongruous about it. And then you realize—wait, this person is way too old to be wearing those clothes."

"So many people have a distorted view of themselves," Gunn, who's 54, adds. "I remember once a few years ago seeing my reflection in a department-store mirror, and for a moment I thought, What's my father doing here?"

What motivates some men to cling to the vestments of their youth like a 4-year-old to the last pair of SpongeBob SquarePants pajamas in Toys "R" Us no doubt varies. But it can usually be categorized in one of two ways: deliberate (you don't get your ear pierced at 52 by accident) or unconscious (If I don't remember that 35th birthday, then it didn't really happen, right?). And it manifests itself in ways both subtle and heartbreakingly obvious.

"I've found recently that older guys are wearing clothes that are far, far too small for them," says British men's designer Oliver Spencer. "There's nothing worse than an [old] guy who's very fashion-conscious but not in shape wearing small shirts."

"A 45- or 50-year-old guy shouldn't be wearing ripped jeans or leather jackets," Spencer continues. "They shouldn't even be wearing jeans that are all washed out—those are for kids."

But what exactly is the turning point? How do you know when it's time to shed the uniform of your twenties for good?

"The hip quotient is a very defining one for many men," Gunn says. "But you have to reassess [your wardrobe] at regular intervals. It's different for every man—it depends on your body changing, your lifestyle changing, your work changing. I think I did an assessment at about 40."

Patti Stanger, founder of the Millionaire's Club dating service and host of the Bravo reality show Millionaire Matchmaker, points to a reasonable middle ground between dressing like an understudy for Keith Richards and shuffling around in hiked-up polyester pants.

"You have to give up the leather bombers and the Members Only jackets, yes," she says. "But it's not like you have to put on a grandpa Missoni sweater. My boyfriend's 50. On the weekends he wears Vans—adult Vans, the ones that look like boat shoes, not kids' Vans. I wanted to buy him a hoodie recently and he said, 'No, that's too immature.'"

But conquering arrested sartorial development—and then resisting the urge to regress—takes discipline.

Jean Touitou, the French designer and founder of A.P.C., is well over 50. He treats the abundance of graphic T-shirts and hoodies available to him like an aging socialite treats the dessert cart.

"Skinny jeans. I can't do it," he says. "Down jackets. I'm too old to wear them. It's not very sexy. If I were a woman or I were gay, I couldn't take the aging-rocker look. It seems it's a trend because we do not accept death, apparently."

So get a Ferrari. Get a 22-year-old girlfriend. But dress like a grown-up. To do otherwise is to undermine your dignity.

"I'm proud of my age," Gunn says. "I dress for the body I have and the work that I do and how I want the world to perceive me. I want to look like someone people trust and believe—not dress like somebody I'm not."

His point is a solid one. Self-delusion isn't flattering to anyone. Ask Dina.​
 

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iqqi said:
So get a Ferrari. Get a 22-year-old girlfriend. But dress like a grown-up. To do otherwise is to undermine your dignity.
Says who?
 

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So the basic idea here is, be comfortable with yourself. Guys who are older but deliberately try to look like teenagers, if they are "trying too hard", yes you can tell they are fakers.

But, I don't think this thread was really about the clothes you wear. It was about men living their lives and maybe second guessing themselves because of this social conditioning of "how he's supposed to act" at a certain age. Like STR8 had mentioned, for a lot of us guys, we grow up thinking that our future is SUPPOSED to be the "Everyone loves Raymond" lifestyle. That if you don't reach certain milestones, like marriage and children by your thirties, yes there is this stigma we CHOOSE to give power to.

Another one I recall, is "oh boy, he's over forty and never been married. You know what that means." WTF is that shyt? Where does this crap come from? Middle age, act your age, whatever. It's all BS. How many guys are MISERABLE because they aren't fitting into some mold that they BELIEVE they are supposed fit into, a mold they NEVER chose for themselves?

I'm over thirty. I'm SUPPOSED to be a grown up. I'm SUPPOSED to settle down and have kids. I'm SUPPOSED to stop partying and be responsible. I'm SUPPOSED to give up certain dreams and be adult. I'm SUPPOSED to blah, blah etc.

This comes from somewhere, but it doesn't come from inside.

Don't know if that made sense. Pretty damn tired lol.
 

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Iqqi you don't know shiat about men's fashion. The point is whether you're a man who's 20, 30 or 40 if you are in shape, you'll look better wearing clothes cut for a fit physique. And same thing goes for a woman. IF a woman has good skin and is toned she can wear whetever she wants. Demi Moore is probably 40 something and she could wear anything she wants.
 

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Anyone ever been to www.mangostropicalcafe.com
Miami Fl. ??

My 20 year old (almost) HB9.9 is getting wet just looking at that site . She is begging me to go ..
I have to agree with her - it look like a whole lot of Latina fun !!
 

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Dressing your age is the sh!t. I enjoy looking like a grown man. Surrounded by kids other grown men who are trying to do that hiphop or justin timberlake look, I look like a full fledged adult. I get more adult women checking me out when I dress my age. Of course at 33 you do have plently of wiggle room, but I rather fall on the mature side, plus I have a baby face so it helps add some gravity to me.
 

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Two things.

1) Notice how in that article the author had a very hard time actually DEFINING what you are supposed to do and when you are supposed to do it? Those kinds of people just ITCH to throw out numbers but they know better, because there is no "number", it's an individual thing.

2) Whats with the "get a ferrari and a 22 yr old girlfriend" bit? According to most people who have a "problem" with the way other people live their lives, it's all the same sh!t. What's the difference?

You know, this reminds me of a convo I had a little while back with an employee of mine.

He started talking about how it is "wrong" and "creepy" and everything else in the book for a man of a certain age to date a woman of a certain YOUNGER age.

After turning his "logic" around he COMPLETELY understood the fact that his entire argument was completely illogical and had no basis in fact, and had been indoctrinated into him by his mother and grandmother (feminine agenda), but he still couldn't get it out of his head that it's wrong for a guy of a certain age to be with a younger woman. And even he had a hard time putting a number on it, but again, the big FOUR-O came up.

"So it's fine as long as you are 39 yrs and 364 days old, but as soon as you turn 40 it's WRONG"?

"Yep", he said, knowing full well just how ridiculous he sounds when he says that.
 

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jophil28 said:
Anyone ever been to www.mangostropicalcafe.com
Miami Fl. ??

My 20 year old (almost) HB9.9 is getting wet just looking at that site . She is begging me to go ..
I have to agree with her - it look like a whole lot of Latina fun !!
You keep talking about this 20 year old. Have you kissed her yet? Have you banged her yet? If not than you better start making a move soon, other wise your going to fall in the friendship zone.
 

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I love this thread!!

You only get old when you lose your 'fighting spirit'.

When you lose that challenge that life offers you.

I tell ya, I'm 34 years old and I keep getting younger. I can bench press, deadlift, and squat more than I ever could.

I keep getting better, stonger, and wiser, with each day that passes.

The path is self-improvement. As long as we keep improving, as men, we will never grow old.

Men don't grow old, they just keep growing as men.
 

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iqqi said:
Call up a mental picture, for a moment, of Dina Lohan. In your mind's eye, the 45-year-old stage mom is probably wearing a low-cut top and a denim miniskirt. Maybe a pair of UGGs. In other words, an outfit a lot like one her 21-year-old daughter would wear. If you're reading this story and you're a 35-plus-year-old wearing a faux-vintage Urban Outfitters T-shirt and plaid Vans, you and Dina Lohan have a lot in common. Only, not having a honey-colored spray-on tan and highlights, you don't look as good.
What a judgemental d1ck. Who the hell is he to criticize how Dina Lohan dresses. If she has a hot body and can carry it off, I say, why the hell not?!! I am sure there are a lot of 45 year olds who would love to wear something like that and actually LOOK GOOD in it. And in many countries, like France, Spain, Russia, Ukraine, there are many hot 40 something women that not only dress like 20 yeard olds, but actually look as hot as the 20 year olds. And you know what? That is why they are not threatened when some 40 year old man is banging 20 year old chicks.

I have seen 20 year olds that wear that outfit and look like an ugly sack of potatoes. It is not about the age, it is about how you carry yourself. If you are a a 20 year old with a fat ass and sagging boobs, and yet you wear stuff that is "fashionable" does that make it ok? Just because you are 20?

"I don't get it," says Tim Gunn, Project Runway mentor and chief creative officer at Liz Claiborne. "I think men look older when they try to dress young. You stop and look at them, because there's something incongruous about it. And then you realize—wait, this person is way too old to be wearing those clothes."
Liz Claiborne clothes suck. Their clothes are made for fuddy duddy American guys with no sense of style. He has an ulterior motive in making these comments. He is saying, "look you guys should be wearing boring clothes that we make, not those designer european threads that look so cool."

"I've found recently that older guys are wearing clothes that are far, far too small for them," says British men's designer Oliver Spencer. "There's nothing worse than an [old] guy who's very fashion-conscious but not in shape wearing small shirts."
About the same as a young guy, who is not in shape wearing small shirts. If you are not in shape, don't wear small shirts!

"A 45- or 50-year-old guy shouldn't be wearing ripped jeans or leather jackets," Spencer continues. "They shouldn't even be wearing jeans that are all washed out—those are for kids."
Thanks.. but that is HIS opinion. And the British aren't exactly known for their sense of style.

People write lots of articles in the media.. Just because some one has written something doesn't make it true. Moreover, these articles are meant to be controversial or no one will read them. Wear what works for YOU and what makes YOU feel good.

Or you could just follow the mainstream media like some little sheep and parrot their opinions, just like Icky.
 

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It's funny how you guys keep trying to make me your little sheep or scape goat.

I don't care about WHAT YOU OLD FOGIES do.

DRESS like Dina Lohan. Whatever. I just delivered ONE message. Either you get it... or you don't.

Up to you.

Does not affect me at all.

So before you judge the message from the messenger, maybe you should at least CONSIDER the message, without the messenger.

SHIAT. I'm not a man nor am I 40. I don't really give a flat white rabbit's shisat what you wear, lil old homies.
 

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Mr.Positive said:
I tell ya, I'm 34 years old and I keep getting younger. .....

Lol... by THE WAY.

No, you don't.

You are getting OLDER.

JUST get over it, it isn't bad, unless you are OBSESSED with youth (aka getting YOUNGer).


EDIT: I MEAN WTF. REally.
 

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iqqi said:
SHIAT. I'm not a man nor am I 40. I don't really give a flat white rabbit's shisat what you wear, lil old homies.
You're a late 20's hag so of course you have a problem with guys older than you getting girls younger than you are.
 

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lookyoung said:
You keep talking about this 20 year old. Have you kissed her yet? Have you banged her yet? If not than you better start making a move soon, other wise your going to fall in the friendship zone.
Or into a Retirement Village..
Yeah I know what you are saying - kissy face is done already . Now she wants to do dancing Tuesdays and every Wednesday so this doubles my opportunities.
I have two other plates ,and Miss 20 knows all about them. This 'plate spinning' deal is indeed a conjuring act .
IT feels weird at my age to be seeing a chick who stiil has to tell her Mom what time she will be coming home. Ha ha !
I am just waiting for the time when we are sitting in Starbucks and the server says , " OK that is one soy latte for you ,sir - what will it be for your DAUGHTER ? "
Ouch .
 

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MrLuvr said:
What a judgemental d1ck. Who the hell is he to criticize how Dina Lohan dresses.
Hey ICKY,You have just been appointed an "honorary" male .
How are you going to celebrate your promotion ?
 

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jophil28 said:
I am just waiting for the time when we are sitting in Starbucks and the server says , " OK that is one soy latte for you ,sir - what will it be for your DAUGHTER ? "
Ouch .

Been there. Had that.

Ouch is right. Her? She laughed.
 
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