A Long Time Out of the Game and I Don't Like What I'm Seeing

[guru1000]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

It was the egg. To whatever has an ending, must have a beginning. The egg contains the final form of the chicken within it. And it's the same with people: the sperm (when combined with the egg) contains the whole future form of the person in it.

The question is: how can we get into that drop, in order to prognosticate its future life? Is it a person's will that creates this future form, and thus free will, or is "free will" just an illusion shaped by the genetical drop, social constructs, and events brought upon us which direct one's thinking and action. If we were to adopt this for a moment, then naturally we could say there is no "free will," and thus although we may have these discussions of how a DJ should act, it's ultimately irrelevant, as we are going to decide not by the recommendations put forward but rather by genetic code, social constructs, and events that shape our direction.

Accordingly, Tenacity, as much as you can state what you WILL do (and thus subsuming a contrary notion within a greater, deep-seeded social construct), ultimately it's not up to you. You could be the next among us to get married

 

[JohnChops]

And they're getting fatter! Disgusting!

I swear to god, every time I go out, it is jsut fat people not just women. Beach, mall, work etc. It's insane.

 

[Tenacity]

It was the egg. To whatever has an ending, must have a beginning. The egg contains the final form of the chicken within it. And it's the same with people: the sperm (when combined with the egg) contains the whole future form of the person in it.

Then who created the egg? And if the egg is corrupt, then that which created it must also be corrupt then....correct? Which means that which created the egg is corrupt, the egg is corrupt, and everything that comes out of the egg is corrupt.

So then why do we as human beings continue to strive for some sort of morality or ethics standard, when everything around us is, was, and will forever be, corrupt?

Maybe this is why there are Religions. It's clear as day that "church" is nothing but programming to get people to behave a certain way for FEAR of wrath from God. So maybe we are all corrupt beings who from time to time, practice morality and ethics only due to selfish reasons pertaining to getting particular favors from God such as a ticket into heaven, earthly blessings, etc., as well as "looking good" in front of particular groups of people who said displays of morality win us business deals, repeat business, favors, etc.?

If this is true, then there are no good men and there are no good women. So then maybe the FRUSTRATION that comes in looking for a good woman is in the act of trying to find something that doesn't exist and never did exist?

What if the RED PILL RAGE wasn't really about finding out the "true nature of women", but was instead finding out the true nature of humanity (corruption) which would mean YOU too as a person are corrupt? You walked around thinking you were the good guy.......when you were just as BAD as the bad guy.

Is it a person's will that creates this future form, and thus free will, or is "free will" just an illusion shaped by the genetical drop, social constructs, and events brought upon us which direct one's thinking and action.

Free will is an illusion. We are "more free" in the US than most countries, but we aren't truly free in the US. We operate under laws, regulations, terms, and conditions that MOST of us don't even fully understand. Nobody is free, we are ALL just being allowed to participate in certain "activities" until the powers that be get tired of our participation and decide to snatch it away from us.

If we were to adopt this for a moment, then naturally we could say there is no "free will," and thus although we may have these discussions of how a DJ should act, it's ultimately irrelevant, as we are going to decide not by the recommendations put forward but rather by genetic code, social constructs, and events that shape our direction.

You touch on something else I've been wanting to touch on. Most of the shyt preached in the Manosphere don't even apply to certain types of women, i.e., black women. A lot of the Don Juan theories are coming from white guys, MANY of which live in a suburb/middle class area that doesn't involve a lot of inner city violence, poor schools, no jobs, racism, discrimination, etc.

90% of the shyt preached in the Manosphere and on Sosuave, about DJ principles, or PUA pick up tactics....90% of that shyt will NOT work on most black women as most black women come from the inner city where you have to bring forth a much more hyper masculinity based display (among other things).

So no, it's not the DJ theories that get you a.ss, it's going to be more your genetics, social constructs, and conditions. If you are looking to attract a particular TYPE of girl, hang out with a guy from that particular area and culture, who is already attracting that type of girl and begin to add aspects of his personality to your natural personality.

Accordingly, Tenacity, as much as you can state what you WILL do (and thus subsuming a contrary notion within a greater, deep-seeded social construct), ultimately it's not up to you. You could be the next among us to get married

It's 100% up to me if I sign a marriage contract. I'll sign it if they change the laws. Basically if they change it to be where if the wife leaves, I leave, or we both leave....she takes her shyt, I take my shyt, we SPLIT what we built together....and that's it. No need for a long 3 year expensive a.ss divorce proceeding, no need for her trying to take my kids away completely, no false allegations, none of it. K.I.S.S., keep it simple and stupid.

But there's no way in hell the law will be updated like this in my lifetime (I'm 33 as of today) so there's no marriage for Tenacity. There's no legal relationship with women AT ALL, because I don't want my life or finances or FREEDOM tied to the Family Court at all.

 

[Prodoge]

Then who created the egg? And if the egg is corrupt, then that which created it must also be corrupt then....correct? Which means that which created the egg is corrupt, the egg is corrupt, and everything that comes out of the egg is corrupt.

So then why do we as human beings continue to strive for some sort of morality or ethics standard, when everything around us is, was, and will forever be, corrupt?

Maybe this is why there are Religions. It's clear as day that "church" is nothing but programming to get people to behave a certain way for FEAR of wrath from God. So maybe we are all corrupt beings who from time to time, practice morality and ethics only due to selfish reasons pertaining to getting particular favors from God such as a ticket into heaven, earthly blessings, etc., as well as "looking good" in front of particular groups of people who said displays of morality win us business deals, repeat business, favors, etc.?

If this is true, then there are no good men and there are no good women. So then maybe the FRUSTRATION that comes in looking for a good woman is in the act of trying to find something that doesn't exist and never did exist?

What if the RED PILL RAGE wasn't really about finding out the "true nature of women", but was instead finding out the true nature of humanity (corruption) which would mean YOU too as a person are corrupt? You walked around thinking you were the good guy.......when you were just as BAD as the bad guy.



Free will is an illusion. We are "more free" in the US than most countries, but we aren't truly free in the US. We operate under laws, regulations, terms, and conditions that MOST of us don't even fully understand. Nobody is free, we are ALL just being allowed to participate in certain "activities" until the powers that be get tired of our participation and decide to snatch it away from us.




You touch on something else I've been wanting to touch on. Most of the shyt preached in the Manosphere don't even apply to certain types of women, i.e., black women. A lot of the Don Juan theories are coming from white guys, MANY of which live in a suburb/middle class area that doesn't involve a lot of inner city violence, poor schools, no jobs, racism, discrimination, etc.

90% of the shyt preached in the Manosphere and on Sosuave, about DJ principles, or PUA pick up tactics....90% of that shyt will NOT work on most black women as most black women come from the inner city where you have to bring forth a much more hyper masculinity based display (among other things).

So no, it's not the DJ theories that get you a.ss, it's going to be more your genetics, social constructs, and conditions. If you are looking to attract a particular TYPE of girl, hang out with a guy from that particular area and culture, who is already attracting that type of girl and begin to add aspects of his personality to your natural personality.




It's 100% up to me if I sign a marriage contract. I'll sign it if they change the laws. Basically if they change it to be where if the wife leaves, I leave, or we both leave....she takes her shyt, I take my shyt, we SPLIT what we built together....and that's it. No need for a long 3 year expensive a.ss divorce proceeding, no need for her trying to take my kids away completely, no false allegations, none of it. K.I.S.S., keep it simple and stupid.

But there's no way in hell the law will be updated like this in my lifetime (I'm 33 as of today) so there's no marriage for Tenacity. There's no legal relationship with women AT ALL, because I don't want my life or finances or FREEDOM tied to the Family Court at all.

It does make sense what you are saying, I see similar patterns within my generation (all this attention seeking on social media.. a pile of crap in my opinion).
And to be honest I find it sad the way things are going... especially because I don't see myself becoming a player

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It does make sense what you are saying, I see similar patterns within my generation (all this attention seeking on social media.. a pile of crap in my opinion).
And to be honest I find it sad the way things are going... especially because I don't see myself becoming a player

The entire stuck into text or fb thing and not paying attention to partner is a bunch of bs. Of course in a restaurant especially if you are paying you can ask them to leave the phone in the car or your not going to pay....

Now in the house or car if they want to ignore you and be all into them, you can do it back. They do it out of a self importance like each one of them are as or more worthy than Mr Obama our president. It's bull and shouldnt' be supported and I hate it too.

 

[Prodoge]

Also, a large part of Sosuave is about self improvement. But if one has to be corrupt to have success with nowadays women it has nothing to do with self improvement.

Most people on this forum are certainly not corrupt by nature and speeking for myself i do not really want to become manipulative in order to get laid.

What I read on this forum gives me ideas on how I can improve myself (increasing my self esteem/confidence, getting better in dealing with people, etc.. not only with women).
Once I have achieved this, I will hopefully have a confident charismatic personnality.

However according to this post, that charismatic personality will not be enough to get laid. So you would have to adapt to the women/sitation.

But why fake a different personality if you have put so much effort in improving and becoming the person you are ?
Even if you get laid in doing that, it can't feel as good as someone who fycks you for who you are... Well in my eyes it wouldn't

 

[Desdinova]

They all seem entitled to text who they want, when they want. There's orbiters sniffing around every corner and while it's easy to get commitment and infatuation from them initially, it's not long before their emotional demands exceed what they actually deserve. They know they can get attention elsewhere easily, sat on the sh1tter if they want and you loose. You're being brainwashed the whole time that it's normal and if you don't agree, you're jealous and controlling. If that's how they perceive you, they'll just do it behind your back anyway.

This is why I tell you guys NOT to reward terrible women with exclusivity. If they have orbiters, they don't deserve it. If they treat you like crap, they don't deserve it. If they want to live off your wallet, they don't deserve it.

Good men like us need to raise the bar when it comes to qualifying women for exclusivity. They should meet a certain level of femininity, respect, and have a good set of morals ingrained into them. Those are the women who deserve exclusivity. Just because she has a nice jiggle in her ass or fvcks like a porn star does NOT qualify her for exclusivity. Women like that are the NORM. Respectful, feminine women are the rarity. Leave the tramps and wh0res in the dust when it comes to exclusivity. Fvck them for the wh0res they are and throw them away when they want entitlement.

A good, respectful, feminine women will not seek entitlement.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

or every man out there with a set of cubes who will walk away, there are 10 weak, sniveling Beta enablers to take his place.

This is crucial to understand. The ONLY thing you need to be able to do is WALK AWAY at the first sign of trouble. Ideally when SHE still thinks things are "OK."

This is the one of THE most critical "male skills" being able to BOUNCE without hesitation WITHOUT EVER looking back.

No explanation, no expectations of agreement or validation, not need to "prove" you're "right" and "she's" wrong. ZERO correlation with the amount of lack of sex in the relationship.

This is something EVERY MAN should practice EVERY SINGLE DAY. Even in normal conversations. While it can seem "interesting' and "playful" to talk to a old fat angry women, to "prove" that you're "right" and she's "wrong," there is NO FEMININE PVZZY THERE FOR YOU, so you bounce.

No reason to talk to her so you can run to the internet to prove how bad the market is.

When you RADIATE the energy (metaphor for body language, movement, facial expression, eye movement, voice tone) that you are a guy that DOESN'T HESITATE TO BOUNCE, you will be seen as MUCH DIFFERENT than any limp beta pee-pee out there.

Be like DeNiro's character in HEAT. ALWAYS BE READY TO BOUNCE AT ALL TIMES.

The great paradox of life is that if you WANT a woman to be feminine, loyal, respectful, you must ACCEPT that it can GO SOUTH at any moment, and when it does, you don't whine, you don't complain, you don't beg, you don't use tricks to "train her," you LEAVE.

WITHOUT HESITATION

Build your life (as it is related to women) around this principle, and you WILL be free.

 

[Tenacity]

This is why I tell you guys NOT to reward terrible women with exclusivity. If they have orbiters, they don't deserve it. If they treat you like crap, they don't deserve it. If they want to live off your wallet, they don't deserve it.

Des the issue is that what you just named off....represents well over 90% of the market. The other 5% are most likely already with a guy/married (which means that guy found a unicorn), and the other 5% are scattered all across the place to where it's impossible (yes, impossible) to have any type of strategic plan, strategic mission, or direct targeting in place to try and FIND these women.

Good men like us need to raise the bar when it comes to qualifying women for exclusivity. They should meet a certain level of femininity, respect, and have a good set of morals ingrained into them. Those are the women who deserve exclusivity.

I agree with you in principle, but I think guys taking this approach just become a martyr and will experience consistent frustration, disappointment, etc., holding onto these principles.

In a world where everybody is driving cars and riding airplanes, holding onto your horse and buggy based on the principle that cars/planes spread pollution is a very MORAL thing to do. But unfortunately, all you will end as is a martyr and live a life of consistent frustration/disappointment as it takes you longer to get places (if you get there at all) which will surely effect your job prospects in this fast paced, technology-driven, economy.

Sosuave is full of Traditional "good guys", longing for the days of yester-year when women represented that old, traditional, patriarchal woman who was ready to stand by, support, fvck, svck, cook for, clean for, push babies out for, be loyal forever to, and SUBMIT to...that patriarchal man who goes out there in the world and gets it done in terms of resource gathering.

That model is DEAD. It's dead and it's NEVER coming back.

We are in the Age of the Player, why? Because quite frankly, Feminism has taught the vast majority of women to not submit, support, or be loyal to patriarchal men (Traditional Good Guys). It's why these are the guys who usually are getting slaughtered out here in terms of dating, sex, Family Court, etc.

To make it in this NEW MARKET, you have to become the FEMINIST man, which is the Player. It's the guy that says what a woman wants to hear, speaks her language, fvcks her good, and supports her bullshyt views of the world. She will REWARD this guy with pvssy, back rubs, and even money for a particular period of time until she decides to move onto the next guy or if the Player "says or does" something she doesn't approve of.

- This market of women want to fvck, svck, and take care of the Player.

- While on the side, this market of women want to EXTRACT the Traditional Guy of his resources and Power.

The Player she sees as on her team, the Traditional Guy she sees as the enemy.

Leave the tramps and wh0res in the dust when it comes to exclusivity. Fvck them for the wh0res they are and throw them away when they want entitlement.

A good, respectful, feminine women will not seek entitlement.

There are no more good, respectful, traditional/patriarchal feminine women. They are all either DEAD or too old or already with someone (out of the dating market). Either you guys adapt to this new market, or you will be left behind.

 

[Tenacity]

Also, a large part of Sosuave is about self improvement. But if one has to be corrupt to have success with nowadays women it has nothing to do with self improvement.

I honestly don't know what Sosuave is about sometimes. At times we talk about self-improvement, then at times we debate politics and social commentary. Sosuave to me is just a group of guys coming together who at one time had some MAJOR issue with women, and we network together here to discuss women along with other things related to being a man in today's world.

Most people on this forum are certainly not corrupt by nature and speeking for myself i do not really want to become manipulative in order to get laid.

I don't call it being manipulative per say....I call it just playing the game. Just like to make a SERIOUS amount of money today ($250k plus a year) you need to be networked, leveraged, and apart of an exclusive CLUB with exclusive access to products/services that are in demand. Most of your money will be made due to corruption, not capitalism. The vast majority of today's millionaires and billionaires got that way through crony capitalism (corruption), not traditional capitalism.

Once I have achieved this, I will hopefully have a confident charismatic personnality.

Don't waste your talent on women. Just learn the game and play it. Invest your talents elsewhere.

 

[Tenacity]

This is crucial to understand. The ONLY thing you need to be able to do is WALK AWAY at the first sign of trouble. Ideally when SHE still thinks things are "OK."

This is the one of THE most critical "male skills" being able to BOUNCE without hesitation WITHOUT EVER looking back.

No explanation, no expectations of agreement or validation, not need to "prove" you're "right" and "she's" wrong. ZERO correlation with the amount of lack of sex in the relationship.

This is something EVERY MAN should practice EVERY SINGLE DAY. Even in normal conversations. While it can seem "interesting' and "playful" to talk to a old fat angry women, to "prove" that you're "right" and she's "wrong," there is NO FEMININE PVZZY THERE FOR YOU, so you bounce.

No reason to talk to her so you can run to the internet to prove how bad the market is.

When you RADIATE the energy (metaphor for body language, movement, facial expression, eye movement, voice tone) that you are a guy that DOESN'T HESITATE TO BOUNCE, you will be seen as MUCH DIFFERENT than any limp beta pee-pee out there.

Be like DeNiro's character in HEAT. ALWAYS BE READY TO BOUNCE AT ALL TIMES.

The great paradox of life is that if you WANT a woman to be feminine, loyal, respectful, you must ACCEPT that it can GO SOUTH at any moment, and when it does, you don't whine, you don't complain, you don't beg, you don't use tricks to "train her," you LEAVE.

WITHOUT HESITATION

Build your life (as it is related to women) around this principle, and you WILL be free.

It's one thing that's so great about this site and it's that you guys always want to stand FIRM on your principles. Which is great!

But if you really think T.O., that you "walking away" is going to change anything with that individual girl or if more men "walked away" that's going to change anything, then you are sadly mistaken.

If every man in America walked away from women tomorrow, women will just continue fvcking each other. Notice I said "continue" because I believe at least 80% of women today are bisexual.

Women can give a rat's a.ss if we walk away man lol. This is THEIR market. Call it like it is. We don't have anymore Power in the dating game. We "think" we do, but we don't. The only POWER we have, is what the fvck a woman ALLOWS us to have for the short term rental period that we have her. When she's ready to randomly call that lease, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

Lol, I love how guys beat their chest about "controlling the frame". Dude, you only control the frame because she's allowing it. At any moment, for any reason or for no reason.....she can FLIP on your a.ss, cancel the lease, and move onto the next guy like you NEVER existed.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

But if you really think T.O., that you "walking away" is going to change anything with that individual girl or if more men "walked away" that's going to change anything, then you are sadly mistaken.

It is you who are mistaken.

When you "walk away" it is NOT to change HER. It is to find somebody else.

This goes back to the argument of using a SORTING model rather than a SEDUCING model.

A SORTER is much more attractive than a SEDUCER. A SORTER has boundaries and principles that cannot be violated. When they are, he walks away.

A Seducer tries to CHANGE HER BEHAVIOR. This will end in agony for everybody involved.

A SORTER will convince her, for her own reasons, to change her behavior so SHE does not become DISQUALIFIED.

When a girl realizes that you are the kind of guy who will WALK AWAY at the slightest sign of misbehavior AND you offer her value, she will ACT DIFFERENTLY around you than she does around every other guy.

I do not care about the dating market.

I do not care about how many feminists exist.

I do not care about how many girls are lesbians.

All I care about is MY WORLD and who I LET in it.

I don't "fight people" for the frame.

If I decide that are somebody I DO NOT WANT in my life, I LEAVE.

If I decide that the BENEFIT is not worth the COST, I leave.

Women can give a rat's a.ss if we walk away man lol.

No, dude. Women don't care if YOU walk away.

THAT is what you need to work on.

 

[Tenacity]

It is you who are mistaken.

When you "walk away" it is NOT to change HER. It is to find somebody else.

This goes back to the argument of using a SORTING model rather than a SEDUCING model.

A SORTER is much more attractive than a SEDUCER. A SORTER has boundaries and principles that cannot be violated. When they are, he walks away.

A Seducer tries to CHANGE HER BEHAVIOR. This will end in agony for everybody involved.

Okay so your advice is to keep walking away and NEXTING women, looking to find that special unicorn of a traditional woman that doesn't exist? That's like quitting the job you DO HAVE because it has flaws, to go look for the job you believe is "better" but you don't have it yet, don't know if you will get it, and don't even know if said job even exists.

T.O., what if us guys followed your advice....NEXTED every woman that doesn't fit the traditional "good woman" model in favor of trying to find said traditional good woman, but we NEVER find said traditional good woman?

Would not we would have just wasted away our youth and prime sexual market value years? Hell, I know the majority of women svck, but there's still value there in terms of sexual companionship. You mean to tell me you want me to pass on all of that in favor of trying to find some UNICORN that doesn't exist anymore?

A SORTER will convince her, for her own reasons, to change her behavior so SHE does not become DISQUALIFIED.

Good luck with that. Men today are like McDonalds fast food workers to Women. McDonalds holds all the power, drives the market, and determines the value/criteria. The employees have to fit into the McDonalds system, McDonalds does NOT have to fit into their system and if any employee doesn't like that....then there's the door because for every 1 that goes out, there's 10 waiting to come in.

In this age of Social Media and Dating websites T.O., decent looking women have more men coming after them than ever before. If you think there's literally ANYTHING you are going to do "special" that some other guy can't do, you are wrong.

It's why women are lease agreements. They fully comprehend that there's a market of guys out there begging at the door to get with her, so you as her PLAYER/GUY better be hitting it right, fulfilling her emotional needs, etc., or she will drop your a.ss quicker than Buster Douglas dropped Mike Tyson.

When a girl realizes that you are the kind of guy who will WALK AWAY at the slightest sign of misbehavior AND you offer her value, she will ACT DIFFERENTLY around you than she does around every other guy.

Only in the online, cartoon, Manosphere fantasy world T.O. Lol, dude I date majority black women and you know black women have an attitude out of this world. Black men have been bytching and walking away from black women for 30 years now due to this fvcked up attitude problem they collectively have..........has it changed their attitude T.O.?? Of course not. If anything, their attitudes are WORSE today.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

You mean to tell me you want me to pass on all of that in favor of trying to find some UNICORN that doesn't exist anymore?

No I didn't say that at all. Nowhere did I ever mention it was even POSSIBLE to find a "perfect woman." That is YOUR IMAGINATION.

What I'm saying is by NEXTING IMMEDIATELY that will do TWO THINGS.

1) You will minimize the time you spend with anybody who doesn't meet your criteria.

2) You will INCREASE in self-confidence and social value since SO FEW MEN can next like that. Most subscribe to the "make the ho say no" philosophy which is really a WEAKNESS since it allows them to hang on to the bitter end.

EVERY SINGLE TIME you next a girl who still would go out with you, you INCREASE YOUR VALUE.

And every time you interact with a girl long enough to NEXT HER, you will increase your sorting skills.

BUT THIS REQUIRES that you are capable of NEXTING A GIRL that is willing to have sex BEFORE you have sex.

This strategy will allow you to continue to INCREASE YOUR SKILLS and SELF CONFIDENCE. Which will increase the "value" of women you "get."

If you keep this strategy, soon you will find yourself in a situation where GIRLS WANT A RELATIONSHIP but you don't.

Then you will have a position of choice, and the relationship can be on YOUR TERMS.

But it requires that you practice doing something that is very difficult. NEXTING A GIRL within 5-10 minutes of meeting her EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU CAN EASILY BANG HER.

 

[Desdinova]

Des the issue is that what you just named off....represents well over 90% of the market. The other 5% are most likely already with a guy/married (which means that guy found a unicorn), and the other 5% are scattered all across the place to where it's impossible (yes, impossible) to have any type of strategic plan, strategic mission, or direct targeting in place to try and FIND these women.

Dude, I'm on your side with this. What I've basically said is that 90% of the women out there do NOT deserve exclusivity. Their vaginas are basically condoms... You cvm inside of them and then throw them away.

I'm not trying to give hope to any men on here for finding that one good woman who's going to embrace what a female should be embracing. However, I believe you may be incorrect about having a strategic plan about locating a good woman. High Score Theory increases your odds. Looking for a woman overseas increases those odds as well. If you can combine both, your odds are going to be very good. But again, you REALLY have to put the effort in and keep your eyes open to what's happening. You cannot go looking for a good mate with your eyes closed.

With that 5% of women who are already with a dude... How did they end up together? What were the keys to make that relationship work? What makes it continue to work?

I firmly believe that in order to have a woman stick, you have to get into her vagina early. You don't have to be the first, but you have to be no later than 5 guys in. Adding to the complication is, how many women haven't been fvcked by more than 5 guys by age 23? A very small percentage. I believe that women are only good as cvm dumpsters if they're single at age 23 or older. To get a decent woman to keep around, you need to get in earlier. The law has made (for many parts of the world) age 18 as the earliest a man can get in.

I don't believe that being part of that 5 percent is impossible. You just need the right conditions, the right woman, the right circumstances, the right amount of confidence, and the right amount of game to get in there. That's a lot to demand for a good partner and it's a very small window to fit into, but it's not impossible. If you REALLY want that companion by your side, you'll work for it. If you don't want to work for it, then accept that you're stuck with cvm dumpsters. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to spend the remainder of your years pursuing your own pleasure and pumping cvm dumpsters. It's absolutely the best way to adapt to today's dating climate.

 

[Dingo]

This is probably the most important and interesting Thread/Topic on the Forum right now...

There has been a cultural, psychological and I even biological change in the last several years....Everything that we are experiencing is the "new normal"... I'm older than most of you and some of you have no idea how dramatic the change has been.

Interesting yet ominous times for society.

 

[Tenacity]

What I'm saying is by NEXTING IMMEDIATELY that will do TWO THINGS.

1) You will minimize the time you spend with anybody who doesn't meet your criteria.

2) You will INCREASE in self-confidence and social value since SO FEW MEN can next like that. Most subscribe to the "make the ho say no" philosophy which is really a WEAKNESS since it allows them to hang on to the bitter end.

EVERY SINGLE TIME you next a girl who still would go out with you, you INCREASE YOUR VALUE.

Okay now wait a minute T.O.

So when a guy NEXTS a chick, that increases HIS self-confidence because he has the "ability" to NEXT multiple women? It also increases HIS market value because he has the "ability" to NEXT multiple women?

- Unless other chicks that would potentially date the guy are watching from the sidelines, how does nexting one chick help increase your value to another chick, when nobody was there to see you next the other chick?

- If a guy can have self-confidence built from nexting women, how is it that he can't also have that same self-confidence built from fvcking the women and throwing them away? After all, it's still the same women that he has the ABILITY to sleep with and he still has the option of doing it or not.

It would seem to me T.O., that instead of NEXTING all of the chicks, the guy would fvck/date them and take a bunch of pictures of himself with the bunch of women. He can blast these pictures everywhere including Facebook and other Social Media....so other women that he would potentially be with can SEE him actively dating, fvcking, and/or nexting multiple women. That would confirm to those women that other women like him as well, which would make it easier for them to drop their walls in letting the guy tap as well.

And every time you interact with a girl long enough to NEXT HER, you will increase your sorting skills. BUT THIS REQUIRES that you are capable of NEXTING A GIRL that is willing to have sex BEFORE you have sex.

I don't understand why I can't build MORE self-confidence, sorting skills, and sexual market value by actually fvcking the chicks and throwing them away.........rather than just throwing them away and doing nothing?

Plus think about this. Knowing how to fvck is a skill, the more you do it, the more natural it becomes and the better at it you become as well. By NEXTING every chick, I'm eliminating my "sex sparring buddies" so to speak, which get me ready for the "main event chick" later on down the line, in terms of knowing how to really put it on her a.ss in the bedroom.

This strategy will allow you to continue to INCREASE YOUR SKILLS and SELF CONFIDENCE. Which will increase the "value" of women you "get."

I am completely/utterly lost at how you came to this conclusion. How does nexting a bunch of women magically make higher quality women appear if they were not there before? You mentioned that the guy builds self-confidence from nexting women, but I would argue the self-confidence comes from being able to GET WOMEN period, no matter if you fvck them or not.

If you keep this strategy, soon you will find yourself in a situation where GIRLS WANT A RELATIONSHIP but you don't.

You can achieve this without nexting everybody.

Then you will have a position of choice, and the relationship can be on YOUR TERMS.

To a certain extend T.O. Understand, many women say Tenacity is "attractive/cute" these days, but you know what I had to do to achieve that?

- Fix my looks, dress style, workout ,and eat right to get a 6 pack
- Get my personality and social skills together
- Get 4 degrees, bust my a.ss in a career, and get my finances together

That took years of WORK. That wasn't an overnight change-around.

But for a chick to be "attractive" all she needs to do is put on some tight pants, a tight shirt, and some fvcking makeup.

T.O., this is a WOMAN'S market. They are the pickers and choosers. They have the control. That's just the reality man. In 1966, James Brown said "It's a Man's World"......but it ain't 1966 no more jack! It's 2016 and in 2016....women run the dating market and we are nothing but PUPPETS directly or indirectly in their game.

Even when we "get laid".....we swear to Heaven that we just "did something" in terms of seducing this chick. The reality is that she's horny, we look/sound/talk good, and are in the right place at the right time.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

T.O., this is a WOMAN'S market. They are the pickers and choosers. They have the control. That's just the reality man. In 1966, James Brown said "It's a Man's World"......but it ain't 1966 no more jack! It's 2016 and in 2016....women run the dating market and we are nothing but PUPPETS directly or indirectly in their game.

Very well. I concede. You win.

 

[Desdinova]

The other 5% are most likely already with a guy/married (which means that guy found a unicorn), and the other 5% are scattered all across the place to where it's impossible (yes, impossible) to have any type of strategic plan, strategic mission, or direct targeting in place to try and FIND these women.

After doing a bit of thinking, I'm going to touch on this point again...

Before coming to this site, many of us (and possibly most of us) were having difficulty getting one woman to fvck us. Our confidence was low, our self-esteem was low, and we were intimidated by female humans. This site has given many men more power. We turned our lives around, built up our confidence, learned what makes woman attracted, and began a journey filled with sex and attention from women. Many of us have built a foundation of confidence that has also caused us to become successful in other parts of our lives.

Now, many of us men are able to fvck in numbers that outweigh our male counterparts, our fathers, our siblings, our co-workers, and the majority of other men in the world. We have become the guys that AFCs envy and even hate. We have caused women to cheat on their boyfriends. We have also caused women to leave their existing boyfriends for us.

This site gives men power to do everything better. It has given us fantastic odds at attracting the women we want to fvck. So why wouldn't we be able to penetrate that 5% of women who are LTR-worthy? We're capable of identifying these women as opposed to the majority of the population. We're much better at attracting women than the majority of the population. Our potential to successfully find and keep these women is much better than most other men.

It's true that we shouldn't get our hopes up high to find these women in our day-to-day life, but if we numb ourselves to the carrot of sex, we should be able to effectively identify women who are capable of being good relationship material and throw away the bad ones.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

A potential strategy for older guys (55+):

Find a woman 45+ years old. She may not be as brainwashed by feminism as a younger woman. One who was in a long term marriage and has a number less than 10. 5 or less would be better, but good luck finding that...

One who wasn't the cool hot chick. An average decent looking girl. Both parents stayed married. A decent religious upbringing (I'm not religious myself but it can help instill good values and morality). One who recognizes that men and women are not equal. One who appreciates a strong man.

And this is a must: you have to be the most alpha man she's even been with. And you have to fvck her like she's never been fvcked before.

Again, a potential working strategy for older guys.

-Augustus-