A considerable portion of your rejections can be due to women being awkward/socially inept

[anonymous12345]

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This is true (though I always watch that it doesn't turn into a cope on my part). The higher value I've gotten, the more shy and awkward girls have been around me. When I was decidedly more "average," girls were bolder about putting themselves out there - maybe because it was less risky or I was lower-hanging fruit back then. Something for men here to consider as they build and improve, don't leave a girl on the table just because she didn't make it obvious. Take your shot.

Yeah, I can confirm the same. Someone on Twitter wrote something along the lines of:

"Ok. It's time to play the ignore-the-cool-guy-again."

I notice it with men too. They don't ask questions or attempt to level. And with girls it gets more worse due to OLD/social media, where they simply have reduced social skills, as discussed in recent threads.

This high-value-treatment is extremely detrimental and demanding, because of the social situation one is in. I have close friends that are "better" than me and that I talk for long with, but people in various ways "below" me shy away or give me the cold treatment. Sucking up to them doesn't work, and I don't do that no more for many reasons, so in my current environment I vibe a lot on my own, though I don't mind it that much.

I can ask a girl two questions and upon the usual lack of reciprocation, I back off because of it not being absurd and also to avoid the "You don't take a no for an answer." But many times it is simply lack of social skills, and the right thing would be to keep going. Roosh in Day Bang talks about this, the importance of being able to do rambling, he too says one can expect little from girls from a conversational perspective.

(Of course, I could be a total loser and this is an epic lying of myself. I of course got plenty of things to improve.)

 

[RangerMIke]

The biggest reason men fail with women is that men can be boring. It's really not the man's fault, we are by nature tend to be boring because we are focused on things like making money, paying bills, not ending up in bankruptcy court, and generally being good citizens. But this sh!t is boring. Many women are like children, and keeping their attention if just like trying to entertain an child.

This is why many women gravitate towards dysfunctional men, dysfunctional men are not boring. This is also why married women have affairs... they are bored. I guess you can call this social ineptitude... but the root cause is boredom.

There really isn't anything you can do about this, you can be a little more spontaneous and unpredictable, but that is it. Women, by their very nature will gravitate towards chaos, because chaos is 'interesting'. This is why they stir up trouble even when things are going well.

I learned this in HS, used to steal other guys GFs because I would do things like break into the school and play pranks on teachers, would streak through the Quad, rappel off of buildings, skip class and race cars on the street. Was arrested twice... always had booze and pot. The dudes that were good well behaved students... well... these guys were the easiest to steal chicks from. I was the quintessential 'bad boy', didn't really care about grades (as long as I passed), was always in detention... girls in HS were all over me. When I got to college, I still had an edge, but I had to be more serious since I was in ROTC on a scholarship. I didn't have near the success I had in HS because I was working on study.

When girls become women they really don't change.... they need emotional stimulation. The older they get they realize they can't live a successful life with the chaotic 'bad boy' so they make compromises, they know they need the responsible dude, but they always want the bad boy.

Show me a woman that has been married for 7 years and I will show you a woman that is easier to seduce than a single woman. Why... because there is a VERY good chance that she is bored. All you have to do is be reasonably good looking and not be boring and you have a shot.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

The biggest reason men fail with women is that men can be boring. It's really not the man's fault, we are by nature tend to be boring because we are focused on things like making money, paying bills, not ending up in bankruptcy court, and generally being good citizens. But this sh!t is boring. Many women are like children, and keeping their attention if just like trying to entertain an child.

This is why many women gravitate towards dysfunctional men, dysfunctional men are not boring. This is also why married women have affairs... they are bored. I guess you can call this social ineptitude... but the root cause is boredom.

There really isn't anything you can do about this, you can be a little more spontaneous and unpredictable, but that is it. Women, by their very nature will gravitate towards chaos, because chaos is 'interesting'. This is why they stir up trouble even when things are going well.

I learned this in HS, used to steal other guys GFs because I would do things like break into the school and play pranks on teachers, would streak through the Quad, rappel off of buildings, skip class and race cars on the street. Was arrested twice... always had booze and pot. The dudes that were good well behaved students... well... these guys were the easiest to steal chicks from. I was the quintessential 'bad boy', didn't really care about grades (as long as I passed), was always in detention... girls in HS were all over me. When I got to college, I still had an edge, but I had to be more serious since I was in ROTC on a scholarship. I didn't have near the success I had in HS because I was working on study.

When girls become women they really don't change.... they need emotional stimulation. The older they get they realize they can't live a successful life with the chaotic 'bad boy' so they make compromises, they know they need the responsible dude, but they always want the bad boy.

Show me a woman that has been married for 7 years and I will show you a woman that is easier to seduce than a single woman. Why... because there is a VERY good chance that she is bored. All you have to do is be reasonably good looking and not be boring and you have a shot.

That's something else, this thread is about a considerable portion of your rejections being due to women being awkward/socially inept

 

[Glassguy]

The biggest reason men fail with women is that men can be boring. It's really not the man's fault, we are by nature tend to be boring because we are focused on things like making money, paying bills, not ending up in bankruptcy court, and generally being good citizens. But this sh!t is boring. Many women are like children, and keeping their attention if just like trying to entertain an child.

This is why many women gravitate towards dysfunctional men, dysfunctional men are not boring. This is also why married women have affairs... they are bored. I guess you can call this social ineptitude... but the root cause is boredom.

There really isn't anything you can do about this, you can be a little more spontaneous and unpredictable, but that is it. Women, by their very nature will gravitate towards chaos, because chaos is 'interesting'. This is why they stir up trouble even when things are going well.

I learned this in HS, used to steal other guys GFs because I would do things like break into the school and play pranks on teachers, would streak through the Quad, rappel off of buildings, skip class and race cars on the street. Was arrested twice... always had booze and pot. The dudes that were good well behaved students... well... these guys were the easiest to steal chicks from. I was the quintessential 'bad boy', didn't really care about grades (as long as I passed), was always in detention... girls in HS were all over me. When I got to college, I still had an edge, but I had to be more serious since I was in ROTC on a scholarship. I didn't have near the success I had in HS because I was working on study.

When girls become women they really don't change.... they need emotional stimulation. The older they get they realize they can't live a successful life with the chaotic 'bad boy' so they make compromises, they know they need the responsible dude, but they always want the bad boy.

Show me a woman that has been married for 7 years and I will show you a woman that is easier to seduce than a single woman. Why... because there is a VERY good chance that she is bored. All you have to do is be reasonably good looking and not be boring and you have a shot.

Great post. Lots of wisdom in there.

No matter if youre a bad boy, nice guy, etc......the key is to not be predictable. Always keep a woman guessing on what you are doing, what your interest level is, whether or not you are "fully committed".

Women get bored when they catch their prey. Its just their nature. I lose women over time because they realize I cant be caught, not because they get bored.

Its literally impossible to chase a woman who is chasing you. The key to the equation is to keep the women guessing.....and chasing.

 

[RangerMIke]

That's something else, this thread is about a considerable portion of your rejections being due to women being awkward/socially inept

Fair enough... but why are they socially awkward? Anyone that finds themselves in a situation where you are being presented with something or information you are not looking for is going to appear to be socially awkward.... Awkwardness is determined by a disconnect in an individual wants and needs, and the environment they are in. Example: a bunch of church girls who don't drink in a drunken pick-up bar are going to be socially awkward. A bunch of drunken sorority chicks in a Baptist church are going to be socially awkward.

Saying someone is socially awkward isn't enough information. You need context.

 

[Kdw8]

Cmon. If a woman truly wants you or is attracted to you she'll break shell a little bit or atleast respond to your message. If she doesn't she won't.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Are they even going to be able to barter for food if the collapse comes?

There will be no need for bargaining. It'll simply be, "Oh, you want my can of peas? You don't get my can, until I get your box. Plenty of other hungry women out here. Or you can try and take it from me."

 

[zekko]

The number 1 reason most men get rejected has little to do with them. When you do cold approaching, especially in non-bar venues, realize that most women won't be interested simply because most women are in some sort of relationship at any point in time.

This is true. You read on the manosphere so often about guys complaining that a girl says "I have a boyfriend" and he thinks she is lying and using it as an excuse. But a random girl is more likely to have a boyfriend than not. Now maybe she might be coerced to monkey branch or screw around on him, but may not be the initial reaction, depending on what the girl is like. Some girls are more wh0rish than others.

Also, some girls when approached can be caught off guard, and just instinctively fall onto a rejection just as a self protective action. These girls might be more willing if given time to think about it, or if you take more time to warm them up to the idea.

 

[SW15]

The number 1 reason most men get rejected has little to do with them. When you do cold approaching, especially in non-bar venues, realize that most women won't be interested simply because most women are in some sort of relationship at any point in time.

You read on the manosphere so often about guys complaining that a girl says "I have a boyfriend" and he thinks she is lying and using it as an excuse. But a random girl is more likely to have a boyfriend than not. Now maybe she might be coerced to monkey branch or screw around on him, but may not be the initial reaction, depending on what the girl is like. Some girls are more wh0rish than others.

It has been years since I have heard the "I Have a Boyfriend" excuse. I thought women were getting better at excuse making. There's really not much else I can say about why I've been hearing it less. Over the years, I have focused on doing non-bar or bar approaches in areas that tend to have large unmarried populations where I've resided. Every man needs to absolutely push back when they hear the "I Have a Boyfriend" line. I started doing it once I heard about boyfriend destroyer lines and some other tactics that could be used.

A lot of times when a man hears the "I Have a Boyfriend", it is true. That doesn't mean it hurts any less.

My sense is that a lot of the women with boyfriend reject the approach before it ever happens or so early in the approach that they don't even utter the words. These are the women who tend to wear baseball hats/earbuds at the gym or on walking/hiking paths and look completely unapproachable. These are the type of women who react with such disinterest to an opener that a conversation has no chance of going anywhere.

Also, some girls when approached can be caught off guard, and just instinctively fall onto a rejection just as a self protective action. These girls might be more willing if given time to think about it, or if you take more time to warm them up to the idea.

I have definitely caught some women off guard with my approaches over time. It has not happened often but it has happened enough over time to be annoying. Some didn't know how to process it at all. It's possible that some of these women were women with boyfriends.

 

[zekko]

My sense is that a lot of the women with boyfriend reject the approach before it ever happens or so early in the approach that they don't even utter the words. These are the women who tend to wear baseball hats/earbuds at the gym or on walking/hiking paths and look completely unapproachable. These are the type of women who react with such disinterest to an opener that a conversation has no chance of going anywhere.

Well, at the end of the day, women aren't obligated to entertain your efforts to get her into bed. Even though that makes a lot of guys angry.