A considerable portion of your rejections can be due to women being awkward/socially inept

[biggoal]

Ummmm, I don't know why you'd be having a conversation that is so personal with a complete stranger, let alone one lasting close to three hours. That's on you for allowing that to go on like that.

That included lunch, a hike playing Geocaching too. Other than that part complaining about her brother she was semi normal to some of the other basket cases from OLD. yes, women are like this and will talk about this stuff, or maybe that is because the decent looking head cases resort to OLD because IRL guys run from them after one date.

I also had a date with an HB9 who constantly complained about her ex husband.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

The easiest way to understand why women ‘reject’ you, is think about why you’ve rejected women. In my case, most of the time, it’s because I’ve been in a relationship. The other times, I’m busy. Got pressing issues on my mind. Getting flustered when it happens out of the blue. None of these were in any way a judgment or dismissal of these women. Just wrong time/place. I think the same is true for women. And no. Women aren’t constantly looking to monkeybranch and dump their BFs.

I agree with you on a lot of posts, but this post really baffles me. It’s really uncommon for men to reject women period!

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I agree with you on a lot of posts, but this post really baffles me. It’s really uncommon for men to reject women period!

Not a common occurrence. But, does happen on occasion. And, in my case, at least 80+% of the time, I’ve been in a relationship. And I’ve only ‘cheated’ when booze was involved

 

[firstbornunicorn]

Not a common occurrence. But, does happen on occasion. And, in my case, at least 80+% of the time, I’ve been in a relationship. And I’ve only ‘cheated’ when booze was involved

why is 'cheated' in quotes?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Not a common occurrence. But, does happen on occasion. And, in my case, at least 80+% of the time, I’ve been in a relationship. And I’ve only ‘cheated’ when booze was involved

cheating in a relationship is different, I mean a single guy rejecting a girl that’s not under a 5/10 in his eyes. Unless every guy is dating a 8/10 and above, why is there this common narrative of Drake or some Chad pumping and dumping our women? Why are we obsessed with our 6/10 gf cheating on us with Chad when she doesn’t respond to a text at night. In reality, most guys will screw anything with a wet pvssy in between it’s legs.

 

[metalwater]

I agree with you on a lot of posts, but this post really baffles me. It’s really uncommon for men to reject women period!

It's more common than you might see, it's done quietly. men hate rejection, women super hate rejection. if we accept every woman, lots of drama will sprout up.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

It's more common than you might see, it's done quietly. men hate rejection, women super hate rejection. if we accept every woman, lots of drama will sprout up.

Your average man isn’t rejecting woman because she wore brown shoes to a first date, the lack of spark, doesn’t remind him of his ex/father though, or any dumb fairytale reason made up in her head due delusion and an abundance of options. Men reject women because they are under a 4/10 in their eyes or they don’t want to cheat on their partner.

So if a man translates this to how men reject women then the woman rejected you because she thought you were hideous which is ridiculous and black pill fuel.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

why is 'cheated' in quotes?

Just kissing & fondling. No actual sex.

 

[SW15]

she was quite a bit heavier than her photos.

That is bad. You are 6’4” and have big muscles. With that working in your favor, a woman who isn’t fat is acceptable to you. Ideally, you’d like someone with some level of fitness. That only makes sense from a lifestyle perspective.

I could immediately feel that this was going to be awkward, but I decided to sit down with her and I bought her a drink.

In this situation, the best thing to do as soon as you realize there’s a previously unknown fatness issue is to leave immediately. Easier said than done.

The way to completely avoid this situation is to only arrange dates from in-person interactions. That’s one of the upsides of in-person interactions leading to dates.

She literally didn't ask me a single question about myself

That’s a common behavior from women who go on dates arranged via swipe app. These women seem apathetic and dull. When I first moved to my current city in the early 2010s, I noticed this and thought women in my city were quite apathetic. The reason I was associating women in my city with apathy is because much of my early interactions in the city were from online dating/swipe apps. The apathy is worst there because women are being chased for their vaginas by so many men that they don’t need to do anything to build their personalities. While I think bigger metro area women (I have lived in 2 of the 15 biggest metro areas since graduating college in the mid-2000s) tend to be more apathetic, the use of online dating/swipe apps is the biggest reason for the apathy. It would be a common scenario to be a younger woman in a bigger metro area not use swipe apps and still come off as apathetic/dull on dates.

@firstbornunicorn has a valid point. There is some amount of social ineptitude on among younger women. It started in the Millennial generation about 15 years ago, has gotten worse as social media/online dating technology has grown, and will likely continue with Gen Z. Gen Z members are turning 18 now at a rapid pace. A good portion of Gen Z is now 18-25.

A few years ago, my closest friend’s wife mentioned she’d never been approached at a grocery store before. I think this conversation happened a few months after their wedding. My friend and I had a difficult time believing this. She was likely approached but was so socially inept that she didn’t know how to process it as an approach. Additionally, even if some guy made it clear that he was into her appearance in the grocery store, she’d be awkward in the interaction.

Another friend has a long term girlfriend who is highly introverted and tends to come off as socially inept. I’ve only interacted with her at private residence parties. I can’t imagine how weird she’d be in an in-person approach setting, especially one in a non-bar setting.

These two women I’ve just described now are mid-30s Millennials who were not socially adept even 10 years ago.

Very awkward situation and It genuinely turned me off from using OLD or apps, etc.

It’s always better to do in-person approaching.

The easiest way to understand why women ‘reject’ you, is think about why you’ve rejected women. In my case, most of the time, it’s because I’ve been in a relationship.

Women aren’t constantly looking to monkey branch and dump their BFs.

The number 1 reason most men get rejected has little to do with them. When you do cold approaching, especially in non-bar venues, realize that most women won't be interested simply because most women are in some sort of relationship at any point in time. Most women aren't looking for men when they are in relationships. Some women in relationships may be in subpar ones and are open to the monkey branch.

I like that we said the same thing in different words here.

The other times, I’m busy. Got pressing issues on my mind. Getting flustered when it happens out of the blue. None of these were in any way a judgment or dismissal of these women. Just wrong time/place.

This can happen, mainly in non-bar interactions. There would be women who wouldn’t want to be stopped in the grocery store pre-pandemic. Now, the grocery store is a mess for approaching due to masks and fear of COVID. Outdoor/street approaching often has these issues.

Outdoors, the bigger issue on walking/hiking paths is earbuds. Actually getting attention is a challenge. Most men get a ton of soft rejections outdoors because the women have earbuds in and are mostly oblivious to the world.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

What I’m trying to say is that, in many cases, ‘rejection’ is not a case of one person judging another and finding them wanting. But rather, since most people aren’t on the make 24/7, some people will not be receptive to another’s advances for reasons that have nothing to do with the qualities or lack thereof of the Approaching person.

 

[eli77]

interesting post

 

[BillyPilgrim]

That is bad. You are 6’4” and have big muscles. With that working in your favor, a woman who isn’t fat is acceptable to you. Ideally, you’d like someone with some level of fitness. That only makes sense from a lifestyle perspective.



In this situation, the best thing to do as soon as you realize there’s a previously unknown fatness issue is to leave immediately. Easier said than done.

The way to completely avoid this situation is to only arrange dates from in-person interactions. That’s one of the upsides of in-person interactions leading to dates.



That’s a common behavior from women who go on dates arranged via swipe app. These women seem apathetic and dull. When I first moved to my current city in the early 2010s, I noticed this and thought women in my city were quite apathetic. The reason I was associating women in my city with apathy is because much of my early interactions in the city were from online dating/swipe apps. The apathy is worst there because women are being chased for their vaginas by so many men that they don’t need to do anything to build their personalities. While I think bigger metro area women (I have lived in 2 of the 15 biggest metro areas since graduating college in the mid-2000s) tend to be more apathetic, the use of online dating/swipe apps is the biggest reason for the apathy. It would be a common scenario to be a younger woman in a bigger metro area not use swipe apps and still come off as apathetic/dull on dates.

@firstbornunicorn has a valid point. There is some amount of social ineptitude on among younger women. It started in the Millennial generation about 15 years ago, has gotten worse as social media/online dating technology has grown, and will likely continue with Gen Z. Gen Z members are turning 18 now at a rapid pace. A good portion of Gen Z is now 18-25.

A few years ago, my closest friend’s wife mentioned she’d never been approached at a grocery store before. I think this conversation happened a few months after their wedding. My friend and I had a difficult time believing this. She was likely approached but was so socially inept that she didn’t know how to process it as an approach. Additionally, even if some guy made it clear that he was into her appearance in the grocery store, she’d be awkward in the interaction.

Another friend has a long term girlfriend who is highly introverted and tends to come off as socially inept. I’ve only interacted with her at private residence parties. I can’t imagine how weird she’d be in an in-person approach setting, especially one in a non-bar setting.

These two women I’ve just described now are mid-30s Millennials who were not socially adept even 10 years ago.



It’s always better to do in-person approaching.





I like that we said the same thing in different words here.



This can happen, mainly in non-bar interactions. There would be women who wouldn’t want to be stopped in the grocery store pre-pandemic. Now, the grocery store is a mess for approaching due to masks and fear of COVID. Outdoor/street approaching often has these issues.

Outdoors, the bigger issue on walking/hiking paths is earbuds. Actually getting attention is a challenge. Most men get a ton of soft rejections outdoors because the women have earbuds in and are mostly oblivious to the world.

Are they even going to be able to barter for food if the collapse comes?

 

[metalwater]

Your average man isn’t rejecting woman because she wore brown shoes to a first date, the lack of spark, doesn’t remind him of his ex/father though, or any dumb fairytale reason made up in her head due delusion and an abundance of options. Men reject women because they are under a 4/10 in their eyes or they don’t want to cheat on their partner.

So if a man translates this to how men reject women then the woman rejected you because she thought you were hideous which is ridiculous and black pill fuel.

have to think about that. men reject women because the woman is not at the level the man wants or he is in check. women reject men because the men are not at the level the woman wants or she is in check.

that's red pill.

black pill tells that nothing can be done about it.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

have to think about that. men reject women because the woman is not at the level the man wants or he is in check. women reject men because the men are not at the level the woman wants or she is in check.

that's red pill.

black pill tells that nothing can be done about it.

I mean there's a reason an ugly girl will destroy a male model with matches on a dating app. Women are by far pickier when it comes to selecting a partner and this is a key red pill point, so idk how you can just flip this narrative to benefit you?

 

[metalwater]

I mean there's a reason an ugly girl will destroy a male model with matches on a dating app. Women are by far pickier when it comes to selecting a partner and this is a key red pill point, so idk how you can just flip this narrative to benefit you?

I'll take your word about the date apps. I don't have much or any with those, but I have looked at them before and sort of know what's in them these days. I recall long ago using a dating app when I was very young and did not get ONE date from it. that was so humiliating.

I don't get much rejection now, but I also don't chase all the chances.

Finding a top guy in a dating app is unlikely. A male model is not for sure a top guy, a female model is a top woman.

There is really a fulcrum, you can move the scale with your effort to your benefit.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I mean there's a reason an ugly girl will destroy a male model with matches on a dating app. Women are by far pickier when it comes to selecting a partner and this is a key red pill point, so idk how you can just flip this narrative to benefit you?

People over estimate the difficulty of OLD.
I’m not a male model & still did fine on Tinder.
However, it is true that women get an insane number of matches/likes compared to men.
My first Tinder date, 6/10 26 yo, had 60 men messaging (that’s not matches or likes, which were much greater) her on Tinder when I was messaging her. Now, imagine what an 8/10 22 yo would be dealing with!!!

 

[Mike32ct]

Red pill uses the term “alpha” to dance around the looks issue. (It’s a holdover from the PUA days.)

Black pill typically uses “Chad/Tyrone” instead.

 

[zinc4]

You don't always get rejected because of you. Many women aren't capable of of responding to stuff in a normal way.

Women 19-25 can be EXTREMELY shy these days, especially around attractive strangers. The shyness goes away with alcohol generally, but you shouldn't underestimate how shy women can be. Shy women will sometimes turn you down essentially only due to their own internal conflicts with themselves.

It is much harder to game random women in public than it used to. Plenty of women who would date you through a mutual friend meeting or an online dating match might not take you seriously during a random cold approach in public because you are a "stranger."

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

People over estimate the difficulty of OLD.
I’m not a male model & still did fine on Tinder.
However, it is true that women get an insane number of matches/likes compared to men.
My first Tinder date, 6/10 26 yo, had 60 men messaging (that’s not matches or likes, which were much greater) her on Tinder when I was messaging her. Now, imagine what an 8/10 22 yo would be dealing with!!!

agree but most of the men suck and aren’t that differential from each other. In Texas it’s mainly fvck boy mall kiosk greasy looking guys, a white guy with a dead animal, a black hustler entrepreneur/ the smaller categories are aggressive Indian engineer men and white frat business boys

 

[Atom Smasher]

In my young life I have come to the conclusion that most rejection occurs (after or during a first or second date) because the man broadcasts that he’s “all-in”. Instead of quickly flipping the script and clearly indicating that he’s evaluating her, he tries to pour on the charm and convince her to accept him. Women clearly feel this dynamic.

It’s so damn easy, guys, to eliminate rejection, but most men just can’t see it. I just told you how to virtually eliminate first/second date rejection, but it will fly right over most men’s heads.

Trying to be “accepted” by women is deeply ingrained in our culture. It’s the men who break out of that dynamic who become successful. Most of you are like little puppy dogs with that look of longing for love on your face and the sound of longing in your voice. YOU don’t see it, but she does.

This dynamic is repulsive and disappointing to women, and THAT’S why she rejects you. Women are craving a man who will judge her and evaluate her and be on the fence about her.

One of the most attractive qualities of a man is reserve. Look at James Bond. He is the very picture of reserve.

Women hate men who are all-in. They want a challenge; to earn your interest.

Women will believe about you that which you believe about yourself. Stop the all-in nonsense and instead regard yourself as a King who carefully evaluates whom he lets into his inner circle. Do this and watch your rejections fade away into a distant memory.