A chic I know posted this on her blog, admitted that this is her problem.

[iqqi]

I didn't start it as a woman bashing thread. I thought it was interesting that so many women were cosigning on it. Especially the girl I know who posted it. The girl I know is very pretty and very entitled and has a very nasty personality that pushes men away. They stay long enough to hit it and then when they get to know her the run for the hills. I'm surprised she could read something like this and actually admit that she reflects pretty much the entire article. I took it as a good sign.

I agree it is a good thing.

There is so much based on superficial traits and weaknesses, it is good that someone is able to recognize that, whether they are male or female.

Maybe everyone here can take a lesson from her, and look at ourselves to see what we are guilty of doing to sabotage or not take credit for our own failed relationships.

Instead of finding yet another woman to blame for being some terrible way.

 

[Warrior74]

I agree it is a good thing.

There is so much based on superficial traits and weaknesses, it is good that someone is able to recognize that, whether they are male or female.

Maybe everyone here can take a lesson from her, and look at ourselves to see what we are guilty of doing to sabotage or not take credit for our own failed relationships.

Hold on now.

I think that most of the guys here are into personal responsibility. And you have been here long enough to know that some men blame themselves way too much for an unworthy woman's behavior. They put it all on themselves. It takes two and most of us know that. The point of this site is what? Understanding and improvement. Most of us have seen our mistakes and are working towards correcting them. So I would be careful what I say if I were you.

Instead of finding yet another woman to blame for being some terrible way.

I have a theory. It's called, "Too Far". There is a moment in a statement, comment where it goes too far. This was your too far moment right here. That's not gonna earn any points with this lot, its an antagonizing statement.

And before you go off on all the misogyny in this thread, I remind you, you are a woman on a mens forum. It's the same as being a straight person in a gay club and having a problem with "some" of them being too damn gay. You know where you were when you walked in. You didn't have to be there, you choose to, you can't get mad about what you see there. Too far IQQI.

 

[iqqi]

Hold on now.

I think that most of the guys here are into personal responsibility. And you have been here long enough to know that some men blame themselves way too much for an unworthy woman's behavior. They put it all on themselves. It takes two and most of us know that. The point of this site is what? Understanding and improvement. Most of us have seen our mistakes and are working towards correcting them. So I would be careful what I say if I were you.

I have a theory. It's called, "Too Far". There is a moment in a statement, comment where it goes too far. This was your too far moment right here. That's not gonna earn any points with this lot, its an antagonizing statement.

And before you go off on all the misogyny in this thread, I remind you, you are a woman on a mens forum. It's the same as being a straight person in a gay club and having a problem with "some" of them being too damn gay. You know where you were when you walked in. You didn't have to be there, you choose to, you can't get mad about what you see there. Too far IQQI.

It is no way the same as calling gay men too gay, to say that some men here have a tendency to ONLY ***** about women, and never take responsibility for anything that they are doing wrong themselves.

I am not saying men are being too manly. I am saying they are being the opposite.

A lot of the threads here are unfortunate in the fact that instead of reaching some kind of self realizations and working to better oneself, more posters are going from one end of the spectrum to the other. They are going from blaming one wrong thing, to blaming another wrong thing. And remaining average, frustrated, and chumps.

This might as well be the blame game forum, because that is what mostly goes on here.

I don't say that to be antagonistic. Just take a look around, and don't be so quick to retaliate and shoot the messenger.

And I want to reiterate, that a lot of men could take a LESSON from this post, instead of an opportunity to b!tch and blame, the lesson being that we all do some really stupid blaming and rationalizing that prevents us from truth and true happiness with each other.

 

[Warrior74]

I said what I said. And you know exactly what I meant. I don't have anything else to say on it.

 

[STR8UP]

Of course, in iqqi's (and most every other woman in America's) world, the serious issues that face male/female relations have NOTHING to do with the fact that feminism has produced droves of women who are, for all intents and purposes, undateable.

Taking personal responsibility is great, but it isn't going to make the 800 lb. gorilla disappear.

 

[iqqi]

Of course, in iqqi's (and most every other woman in America's) world, the serious issues that face male/female relations have NOTHING to do with the fact that feminism has produced droves of women who are, for all intents and purposes, undateable.

See, that statement is highly debatable. And also I am completely against blaming any kind of conspiracy theory for what is wrong with some of your game.

I see tons of women and men dating, so that statement can't be true.

And a lot of those dates seem to satisfy some intent and purpose, and a lot of people seem to be having fun doing it. Then there are the few on the side constantly unfulfilled and unhappy with the men/women that they are attracting/choosing/noticing/pulling.

This basically comes down to... which one do you want to be?

If you want to be the latter, then just keep b!tching. Surely it isn't you that might be the problem or part of it.

Otherwise, improve yourself, your outlook, and then your options. Maybe change what your "intent and purpose" even is. I would actually start there, I know that is when my own luck seemed to improve.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

This seems like another woman bashing thread, to me.

A lot of the things wrong with the woman in that thread are also wrong with many men these days. It is similar to the thread that someone posted the other week, about how we filter people out of our lives too easily. We judge the opposite sex based on super-superficial things, and we weigh our own selves based on some of the same things. Superficial qualities get all of the attention. You can look at more than one thread on this very board to see that many men are guilty of doing the same thing.

And it's like some of you are confused... yay for the woman for doing some self reflection? Nope. She STILL gets railed because she is a woman, and I guess elderly to boot. It's like some of you will not allow a woman to simply have a realization, without making her pay even more for whatever reasons you are holding against her, BECAUSE she is a woman.

I know a ton of men her age and your age, and at every age, who could stand to have a revelation like the one she had, admitted to, and shared with the world.

And I guess I just don't understand why something that seems positive can get turned so negative, like it has here. Also some of you take issue with the fact that people are responding in favor to her blog. Don't you think the way the message was conveyed played a part in that?

I just love the way you managed to reinterpret the entire thread as a misogynistic point of view. And you missed the point completely. Had a man written that piece, he would have been labeled a woman hater who is intimidated by a womans success. When a woman writes it, it becomes acceptable and women AGREE with it. The message itself is irrelevant, the NATURE of the message and the response to it is what was being discussed here. If you cannot make a distinction between the two be sure not to attack people or make accusations that hold no real weight at all.

As for being railed because she is a woman? Where do you come up with this sh1t? Are you seriously going to try and pull the victim card here? On this fvcking site? You have got to be kidding me.

Her "realisation" is nothing profound. Just like you dont deserve undying adoration for being able to support yourself without a man, a logical conclusion to a problem you have identified in your life is not something that should be sacrosanct for anyone either.

Stating the fvcking obvious to cheering applause from the spinsters, when the same point of view from a man would be jeered simply because of HIS GENDER, only for you to point out how misogynistic the men are for stating that fact, is an irony I dont think you quite managed to notice.

 

[iqqi]

I just love the way you managed to reinterpret the entire thread as a misogynistic point of view. And you missed the point completely. Had a man written that piece, he would have been labeled a woman hater who is intimidated by a womans success. When a woman writes it, it becomes acceptable and women AGREE with it. The message itself is irrelevant, the NATURE of the message and the response to it is what was being discussed here....

Once again, notice the part of your quote in bold.

Did you miss the part where I pointed out that maybe the warm response had to do with the way the message was delivered, and not that the messenger had a pvssy? The rest of that particular argument is kind of a strawman argument, since noone here has written such a well worded blog that said the same thing, in a positive and constructive manner, that does not PLACE blame, but takes the blame. I'd love to see a link to a similar article that is not antagonist, bitter, or blaming.

You seem to advocate men being able to blame women, but absolutely enraged at a woman accepting and taking blame.

The rest of your reply is pretty nasty and you say "you" a lot like I am the woman who wrote that blog, so I kind of tuned out because your bitter rage was affecting my energy.

Tune out.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Once again, notice the part of your quote in bold.

Did you miss the part where I pointed out that maybe the warm response had to do with the way the message was delivered, and not that the messenger had a pvssy? The rest of that particular argument is kind of a strawman argument, since noone here has written such a well worded blog that said the same thing, in a positive and constructive manner, that does not PLACE blame, but takes the blame. I'd love to see a link to a similar article that is not antagonist, bitter, or blaming.

You seem to advocate men being able to blame women, but absolutely enraged at a woman accepting and taking blame.

The rest of your reply is pretty nasty and you say "you" a lot like I am the woman who wrote that blog, so I kind of tuned out because your bitter rage was affecting my energy.

Tune out.

Oh, so now its not the message itself, but its the way the message was relayed? Give me a break Iqqi. You are clutching at straws here that is a bullsh1t, irrational point of view to take.

There is nothing to suggest what you say is the case at all, only the ASSUMPTION. You know damn well that few men would be able to pass comment like that without a backlash from women and to suggest that it would be because they were not delicate enough in their approach is insulting to any mans intelligence.

You get personal with people on this forum, and then you have the audacity to tell me to "tune out" when someone calls you on it?

Get off your high horse woman. You took offense to this thread and have looked for an angle to work in an aim to feel better about it. You have even started to resort to your typical shaming tactics which are so common a theme in your posts we could almost call a person "iqqi'ed" when it happens. To call me bitter as a statement of fact simply because you dont like the stance I take with your bullsh1t analogies is noted.

Do me a favour though. Do everyone a favour. Allow men the same opportunity and grace you expect them to provide that woman. Allow them a chance to reflect and come to realizations on their own terms in their own way without your man hating condemnation. You ask for patience, yet display almost none yourself. Entitled much?

Again, the irony is so obvious and your entire view so contradictory that you fail to realise you want to deny the men on this board the very thing you accuse them of doing to that woman.

 

[iqqi]

I just made a few points and observations, dude. And you are the one making it all personal about "you you you, iq!"

I didn't sink the titanic. That would be feminism.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

I just made a few points and observations, dude. And you are the one making it all personal about "you you you, iq!"

I didn't sink the titanic. That would be feminism.

You did not make any observations. You labelled, shamed, attacked and marginalised in all one post.

The tone you use displays contempt and disrespect and its happening way to often. Dont expect people to respond kindly to that. You want to be treated with respect, in a civil way, do everyone the courtesy by setting the example.

 

[STR8UP]

See, that statement is highly debatable. And also I am completely against blaming any kind of conspiracy theory for what is wrong with some of your game.

By who? You?

A few of my friends are in functional relationships and seem to be satisfied overall. A few of them are in dysfunctional, soul-sucking relationships. But the vast majority of guys I know are resigned to pumping and dumping women at their leisure, with a STR or LTR sprinkled in here and there.

And I'm talking about successful, attractive ALPHA males who COULD have a girlfriend or wife in a second, but they are smart enough not to settle.

Oh, and then there are a couple who are married who cheat like crazy. Funny thing is, their marriages seem happiest of all......

I see tons of women and men dating, so that statement can't be true.

Yea, you see lesser males whining and dining chicks who cut out of the date early to meet up with the married guy they are banging once or twice a week.

Don't confuse "dating" or "courtship" as it used to be with what is has become today. We aren't pairing up one-on-one like we did back in the 50's.

And a lot of those dates seem to satisfy some intent and purpose, and a lot of people seem to be having fun doing it.

Yea, just not the "intent or purpose" they want it to be.

I go out with women too, and I'm sure to whomever happens to glance our way it looks like we might be "dating", but it's really more of a formality. A means to an end. A couple of drinks before we bang it out.

Point is, I might go out in public with them, but I don't want relationships with any of these chicks.

This basically comes down to... which one do you want to be?

If you want to be the latter, then just keep b!tching. Surely it isn't you that might be the problem or part of it.

Otherwise, improve yourself, your outlook, and then your options. Maybe change what your "intent and purpose" even is. I would actually start there, I know that is when my own luck seemed to improve.

Of course you default back to your assumption that I am unfulfilled/unhappy. I'm quite happy. I have a new business that is thriving, a couple of women I see here and there. It works for me. But of course, you have to twist everything into something it is not just so you have something to argue about.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Yet another epic thread demonstrating why iqqi should be banned as a TROLL.

 

[piranha45]

Yet another epic thread demonstrating why iqqi should be banned as a TROLL.

quoted for truth.

I ask the admins, how can you ban others, but not this one? How can you let this troll sht on thread after thread after thread?

 

[Jitterbug]

Stop whining and don't take iqqi seriously. She's a woman. You guys know better than making big arse replies to her.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Funny, I didn't see most guys in this thread shaming, condemning or bad mouthing the female writer who Warrior linked us too. I think a lot of us agreed with her.

Iqqi, this wasn't a thread about "US" and how men operate and should be - it was a thread about "HER" and giving her own analysis about the way many women in this country ACT. A couple of people (including you) made it out to be about US MEN. How this topic turned into how some men should act boggles my f*cking mind. Did seem kind of antagonistic.

I'm just sayin'.

 

[Nutz]

I didn't start it as a woman bashing thread. I thought it was interesting that so many women were cosigning on it. Especially the girl I know who posted it. The girl I know is very pretty and very entitled and has a very nasty personality that pushes men away. They stay long enough to hit it and then when they get to know her the run for the hills. I'm surprised she could read something like this and actually admit that she reflects pretty much the entire article. I took it as a good sign.

Ah, but did she actually change or did she revert back to her same old bag of tricks a few days later? I've seen women have this "revelation" as well and it never sticks. One even thought of it as a "moment of weakness".

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Ironically IQQI establishes the point I was discussing with JOPHIL in that our first presumption is that a Man wrote this article by proxy of being a woman. IQQI would scold us for doing so because it discredits a woman who actually may have some introspective that ought to be praised, however, she fails to understand why that presumption would be made in the first place. The exception proves the rule.

But rather than explore that facet of the argument she defaults to her well conditioned accusations of misogyny. It takes far less effort to simply fly that flag than do any real analysis.

It's like some of you will not allow a woman to simply have a realization, without making her pay even more for whatever reasons you are holding against her, BECAUSE she is a woman.

Actually the first assumption was that this was not a woman at all, why? Because it would be an exception to a commonly observed rule that women have a general lack of self-critical insight. Is this the case in reality? As a woman (and again I'm assuming you are) I'm sure you feel compelled to defend your gender in this respect, and yes, I'm also sure that there are notable exceptions, but the idea that women do lack this insight, and also favor displacing the responsibilities for that lack upon men, has been thoroughly proven and reinforced for so long that it becomes the natural response.

Is that misogyny? No, but the default female (and feminized male) defense is to throw out that epithet whenever the fragile, fairer-sex victim is ever questioned critically about it's methods.

The second point made was that only a woman could be praised for such critical insight by a feminine collective. No Man could point out female inconsistencies without being accused of misogyny, which you so amply demonstrate with your very own posts in this thread. Thus the speculation that a Man may have written this article using a female pseudonym; and if not, it serves to prove the dynamic that women are deaf to gender criticism from a male perspective, and far more open to hearing it from one of their own.

 

[Luthor Rex]

This thread is also a good example of why men resort to dishonesty in their dealings with women.

It's like we are living under some totalitarian regime and we are not allowed freedom of thought.

So fvcked up...

*sigh*

 

[ThunderMaverick]

To be honest I thought it was a woman who wrote the article.

Surprisingly I've met a few women who admitted to being dum dums. Not many though.