77 approaches and several shame attacks in 2 weeks!

[Guitar_Whizz]

Hi fellow DJs. I haven't posted here in a while, as I have been into the real world putting this stuff into practice.
After a slump in my DJ confidence, I was talking to another DJ from this site and we decided to get this handled. Our task was to go out into the streets, shops, etc and do 100-150 approaches inside a month.
Basically we used the David DeAngelo street approach, which went thus:-
'Excuse me, can I ask you a quick question....are you single?'
I find it to be the best conversation opener in most everyday pickup scenarios. It is to the point, but not 'cheesy'.
I managed 77 of these approaches in just over 2 weeks. I obtained 4 phone numbers, and have 2 dates arranged, and another just gone. I got a lot of 'no's' but also a fair few positive responses. I admit I didn't always close properly for the number so I could've got more numbers, but that's something to aim for.

KEY POINT FOR ALL YOU WUSSY AFC'S WHO ARE TOO SCARED TO APPROACH GIRLS......there were NO BAD CONSEQUENCES at all from doing these approaches. Thats's right, NOTHING BAD HAPPENED, only GOOD things, eg conquered fear, improved self esteem and confidence, got a thrill, got numbers, got dates.

So DJS, STOP thinking about 'bad' things that could happen because they won't! Even if you get no numbers you will improve because you TOOK ACTION.

The final thing I did was 'shame attacking'. Basically these are crazy things that you do in order to conquer fears and expand your comfort zone, thus attacking shame.
The first shame attacker I did was ask people on the street 'what day is it', then they tell you and you say 'oh ok, I thought it was monday' (or any day except the one they say).
The next one was to ask people 'what town are we in', then say 'oh ok....i thought we were in (other town)'.
I also went into a bakery and asked for a set of guitar strings, then finally the assistant said 'we don't sell guitar strings' and I said 'this is a music shop isn't it', before walking out.
There are other shame attackers I'd like to try, such as asking people on the street what year it is, what country this is, and what planet we're on etc. The key is to do crazy **** to expand your comfort zone, then when you go back to approaching girls it's just so easy.

 

[princelydeeds]

You have balls the size of grapefruits my friend! I must say you have conquered your fear. Hats off to you 77 apporaches in 2 weeks is one heck of an accomplishment. Hats off to you. Now we just have to work on your success rate....

 

[Hot Ice]

I love you man!

 

[wheelin&dealin]

77 approaches and only 4 numbers.

Bahahahahaha

Are you that ugly or are you just a fumbling flake with no women skills?

I could train a kid with down syndrome to get more numbers than you.



...just kidding man, nice work!

 

[l-deezy]

thats how ya scoop chicks for a living

 

[The Business Man]

Awesome man!

Very inspirational for both the experienced and inexperienced.

 

[So pimp its scary]

77 approaches... that is wild... I would run out of women to approach at my school if I did that !

You kick ass! Start macking on those 20-50 wimin that you'll run into from time to time... NOW is the tough part maintenance.....

 

[So pimp its scary]

77 approaches... that is wild... I would run out of women to approach at my school if I did that !

You kick ass! Start macking on those 20-50 wimin that you'll run into from time to time... NOW is the tough part maintenance.....

 

[Ice Cold]

DeAngelo sux!

Holy. That's like 5% success rate.


But if you convert it to chicks/hour it may be ok. If he spent about 3 hours on it and pulled 4 chicks with high IL and ready for relationship...

I guess it's ok. lol But "Hi" is more appropriate.

 

[Walden]

www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38842

 

[Microphone Fiend]

this was soo good, and the results aren't even necessary cuz you KNOW you're improving. I like this idea. reminds me of the "rejection collection" This is the wy to get to the "next level" for all rafc's and up-and-coming DJ's, being able to forget about fear and just have fun CONSTANTLY....

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

Thanks for your replies. Yes sure, I've only had a little success so far, but the main thing is I've gained experience and conquered fear. This gives me a firm basis to get better, and my success rate should improve.

 

[Starman]

Guitar-whizz,

this is a hilarious idea..I think Im gonna try that "excuse me, could you tell me what country this is?" next time, I dont think I can hold a straight face tho

although your attempts are commendable, I only have one neg thing to say..

at the rate you are going .. you should be getting way more #'s than you say you did

if your goal is to just conquer fear and cold pickups..you are doing well

but if you are trying to get more #'s, I would say you have graduated the conquering your fear stage, and dont get stuck in this phase

afterall..conquering fear is a means to an end (getting more #'s) and not just an end initself

I would tweak your approach..and try variations of PU lines..and building some rapport and connections with your targets

but overall, this is a great way to crush fear, have fun and score some #'s...keep it up

 

[Krassus]

Ahahah! *wipes eyes* I do the 'crazy sh1t' all the time man. Except that i prefer to do it in the form of far-out approaches that i KNOW will NEVER work. I.e. walking into a restaurant, coming right up to a random girl and asking her out just as she puts the fork in her mouth.

 

[Walden]

Kraussus you headcase! That's brilliant!!!

 

[Pimp-sicle]

Guitar: Were you progressing as you approached more? Seems like you were doing more of a de-shying practice after you had a recent slump. I know you like the Deangelo line, and I'm actually a big fan of his theories, but I think you set yourself up for a negative with that question. Stating your intentions so quickly right off the bat is a double edged sword that will get you stabbed more than spared. If your an average looking guy you won't get many #'s this way. I think its a much better idea to approach and say: "Excuse me I noticed you when I walked in and wanted to meet you."

This is indirectly stating the same thing as the "are you single" question but being a little bit more ambigious about your intentions. Then after fluff talking for a few minutes you can decide if you want to # close. Girls will ALWAYS have their guard up when they feel like they're being "hit on" as opposed to casually talked to.


I say try approaching 77 new girls over the next 2 weeks using a different opener such as the one I suggested as see if you get more numbers.


Great work and persistancy, but 4/77 is a HORRIBLE success rate, your like the Detroit Tigers of dating...LOL J/K bro


PIMP

 

[Starman]

I remember reading "Looking Out for #1"

the author was talking about his friends unusual technique of picking up women..he asked 100 women all day "would you like to go home with me?"

3 out of 100 said Yes!

I dont know if its B.S. or not..but pretty much any PU line without any craft behind it will yeild you the same results

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

Ok, I have a few more things to say regarding your replies. The whole idea of doing the 77 approaches (actually I intended to do 100 or more but ended up doing 77) was for several reasons.

Firstly, to conquer fear of approaching. Let's face it, fear is one of our biggest barriers to success with chicks. Fear prevents you working on your conversation skills, number closing, having a good date, etc etc. So by conquering fear, the mind is freed to concentrate on other aspects of seduction.

The second reason was to prove to myself (and to my subconscious mind) that nothing bad will happen if you approach a girl and get rejected. And I was right...77 approaches and the worst that happened was a weird look from a girl when she said 'no'. If I got a 'no' I just said something like 'no worries' then I walked away. Sometimes I would say 'oh ok...I'm just doing a thing to improve my confidence, no worries' and usually the girl would say 'oh right, good luck' or something similar.

The third reason for these approaches was to make approaching so natural that I no longer had to think about it. Believe me, after such an intensive period of approaches it gets so easy to the point of almost boring. All things improve, such as your body language, tone of voice etc as you become more acustomed to approaching.

Another point is that although I only got 4 numbers, I got a lot of girls that said 'yes' to my question 'are you single?'. I was then able to get into conversations with the girls that said yes. Because I did not go out expecting immediate success, I was taken by surprise at how friendly some of the girls were, and I did not always number close. So I reckon I could have got around 10 or 15 numbers perhaps if I'd number closed more.

I forgot to mention that after asking if a girl was single, if she said 'yes' then I'd say 'oh ok...I just thought you were kinda cute and I thought I'd say hi.....are you friendly?'
By saying 'are you friendly?', she can hardly say 'no' without looking a ***** can she? Then once she has said 'yes' to your 'are you friendly' question, you can move onto things like name, age, what is she doing today etc, finally leading to a number close.

I do not feel you come across as too desperate or 'showing your intentions too much' by using this line. I feel it gets your point across without looking cheesy. If I'd said 'Excuse me, I think you're hot will you go out with me' then that'd be lame, but 'are you single?' is fine.

Pimp-sicle is right, I ought to go out and try another 77 or so approaches using a variety of openers, then I'll find ones that work better (or worse). This is my next aim. I do not fear rejection or approaching any more.

 

[Ricky]

Just happened to stumble across this in a search for something else.

This took balls, but is really cool.

Why do I like it?

1) Conquers the fear of approach (much as the DJ bootcamp does)

2) Is damn efficient. Cuts to the chase. Is it just me, or have many of you guys also spent a long time chatting with a girl, gaining rapport only to find out the girl has a boyfriend. I know I have!

Great Job! Would look forward to hearing anymore followups on this

 

[MrBond007]

Most people here are seeing that the cup is half empty but not half filled.Heres what I mean:

1)You DID get results

I know a lot of AFC friends that keep asking me how I can get a new girl at least once a month.You see, some people are happy with an end result, just like myself.

Lets say you approached 4 girls and got 4 numbers and deceided to stop, youd still have the same number of phone numbers you have right now.Why would failing more often to get the same result be negative in any way?You DID get results.Might I also add that my best(but also most AFC) friend I have would literrally sell his soul to you in exange of a phone number and litterally give you some of his organs(as spare parts for you) if you could infuse him with the guts to approach a single girl per year.

2)You can get laid

A lot of people are unhappy with their lifes because they cant get laid.I really mean they CANT GET LAID.Thats what they say.The thing is that you actually got potential soon- to-be-laid chicks while a lot of people wont.

3)Your friends or anyone else is only interested in the end result

Most of them might never know you got rejected 73 times these 2 weeks.All they see is a man who gets "lots" of phone numbers.While your ratio was pretty low,you actually beaten the yearly average of every AFC in only 2 weeks.

4)The most interesting in a trip is not the trip itself but the goal to be acheived.

Im sure you heard the contrary most of the time and it got too cliché to my taste.I actually do not care about the trip because its only a mean for the result I seek.