77 approaches and several shame attacks in 2 weeks!

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Hey great job. I bet you made most of those women's days too by giving them an ego boost.

You wrote:
I was talking to another DJ from this site and we decided to get this handled. Our task was to go out into the streets, shops, etc and do 100-150 approaches inside a month.

I think you could be making some mad money if you had your buddy film the approaches and sell it to Fox as some new type of reality show.

Just kidding. Great job!
 

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Originally posted by Guitar_Whizz
77 approaches and several shame attacks in 2 weeks!
I'm proud of you. 77 approaches in a week, you deserve a medal.
 

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Ye really nice balls you got there :) But only 4 numbers out of 77 ? How come?
 

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Originally posted by Guitar_Whizz
Hi fellow DJs. I haven't posted here in a while, as I have been into the real world putting this stuff into practice.
After a slump in my DJ confidence, I was talking to another DJ from this site and we decided to get this handled. Our task was to go out into the streets, shops, etc and do 100-150 approaches inside a month.
Basically we used the David DeAngelo street approach, which went thus:-
'Excuse me, can I ask you a quick question....are you single?'
I find it to be the best conversation opener in most everyday pickup scenarios. It is to the point, but not 'cheesy'.
I managed 77 of these approaches in just over 2 weeks. I obtained 4 phone numbers, and have 2 dates arranged, and another just gone. I got a lot of 'no's' but also a fair few positive responses. I admit I didn't always close properly for the number so I could've got more numbers, but that's something to aim for.

KEY POINT FOR ALL YOU WUSSY AFC'S WHO ARE TOO SCARED TO APPROACH GIRLS......there were NO BAD CONSEQUENCES at all from doing these approaches. Thats's right, NOTHING BAD HAPPENED, only GOOD things, eg conquered fear, improved self esteem and confidence, got a thrill, got numbers, got dates.

So DJS, STOP thinking about 'bad' things that could happen because they won't! Even if you get no numbers you will improve because you TOOK ACTION.

The final thing I did was 'shame attacking'. Basically these are crazy things that you do in order to conquer fears and expand your comfort zone, thus attacking shame.
The first shame attacker I did was ask people on the street 'what day is it', then they tell you and you say 'oh ok, I thought it was monday' (or any day except the one they say).
The next one was to ask people 'what town are we in', then say 'oh ok....i thought we were in (other town)'.
I also went into a bakery and asked for a set of guitar strings, then finally the assistant said 'we don't sell guitar strings' and I said 'this is a music shop isn't it', before walking out.
There are other shame attackers I'd like to try, such as asking people on the street what year it is, what country this is, and what planet we're on etc. The key is to do crazy **** to expand your comfort zone, then when you go back to approaching girls it's just so easy.


That works out to an average of exactly 5.5 cold approaches a day. :eek: Jeez, that must've numbed your senses SO MUCH that by your 3rd day it felt like scratching your ass - easy, and maybe even pleasurable. :D I must commend you for that.



And yes, I am also curious to know why your conversion rate has been on the low side. This is not to needlessly criticize you; I'm just curious. Could it be that you're an average looking guy? Maybe not in the best physical shape? Conversational skills aren't bad (i.e. nothing at all to say), but a little stiff? I'd like to know, as these bits of information might reveal to you and the readers WHY you got the conversion results you did.


Still, you deserve a pat on the back for a courageous effort, again. ;)
 

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I think the biggest thing be overlooked is what happened to those four girls who gave you digits? Are you talking/porking them?
 

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77 CA's is out of this world. I think 5% conversion rate is excellent given the completely random method. Direct marketing is 3% by comparison. But I bet you really could close a lot more with practice. Tell us what happens with the 4 you did close.

Note: When you get tired of all the women you haul in drag your steel-clad cajones on over to the sales dept. and get rich, too . . .
 

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I also went into a bakery and asked for a set of guitar strings, then finally the assistant said 'we don't sell guitar strings' and I said 'this is a music shop isn't it', before walking out.
I've been laughing for the past 10 minutes
at that one .
 

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77 approaches, that's great man, but 77 approaches and only 4 numbers .. try a different approach ?
 

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want to know

I have a couple questions for you, GuitarWhizz:

Do you live in a moderate to big-sized city? (i.e.-you didn't run into the same girls twice or three times)

Did you only approach good looking women? Sounds to me like you only went for HB7's and up, hence the low conversion rate.

Anyways, good going. Salut. *raises glass*:)
 

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You guys can stop asking him questions anytime now. Dude hasn't posted since October, this is an old azz thread that somebody bumped up in the recent days
 

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I bumped this thread after stumbling on it. I think it is absolutely a must read.

I too am curious as to how things have turned out for our friend Guitar Whizz.

One thing that someone brought up that is interesting is the following (I will probably post this under another thread as well to get it more press).

Let's say you DJ the hell out of your town? Could you run out of options after a while?

Sounds crazy, but let's say at your favorite bar you hit on everything in sight for a few weeks. After a while you might run out of girls. Would this be a major problem, or would the fact that you didn't remember hitting on some of them work as a major neg hit and win some back to your camp?
 

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inspirational post regardless of the reject or accept rate
 

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i want to attempt this! 77 sounds like an impressive target to strive towards
 

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Hello my fellow DJs. Sorry I haven't replied in a while, in fact I'm really surprised that so many people are still interested in this post. I'll try and answer your questions, but first let me tell you what I've been up to DJ wise since those 77 approaches.

Basically, the whole idea of the 77 approaches was to conquer fear and make approaching natural etc. I have since realised that the line 'are you single?' isn't always the best opener (though it's not too bad). I've been out trying other strategies since then though, and my game has definitely improved.

The week before christmas I had some time on my hands, so I decided to go out 6 days in a row to work on my approaches. I tried various other openers, and I realised that it is true what Gunwitch says: 'It's not so much what you say, but how you present yourself'. In other words, you can say more or less anything to open a conversation with a girl, as long as you come across as confident and in control with your body language, tone of voice, etc. As an example, I approached a girl in a library with the line 'excuse me.....has anyone ever told you how incredibly stunning you are?'. Now, I know 'pickup lines' are lame, but the point is I said it in a humorous, jokey kind of way, and the girl obviously picked up on that because she said started laughing. I followed up with 'what's the worst chat up line a guy's ever said to you', and then we started talking. Once you're into conversation it's not too difficult.

I tested some other openers, for example when everyone was out doing xmas shopping, a great line that worked was 'excuse me, can I just ask where you got your top (or any other item of clothing she's wearing) from?'. They then told me, and I followed up with 'oh, ok...I'm just looking for something like that as a christmas present for my sister, I'm completely stuck for ideas of what to buy people!'. Trust me this worked a treat, and most girls were friendly to me. I even got one girl to come to a girl's clothes shop with me to help me find a present for my sister!

Another point. Remember the old technique of 'eye contact, smile, wait til she walks past you, look back at her, wave'? Well do not underestimate this! I decided to properly try this out, and lately the amount of interest I have been getting from chicks has gone crazy!! My confidence is crazy too! Honestly, showing your interest non-verbally is the way to go DJs! The other day myself and a friend went to a town near me, and popped in McD's for a coffee, well as we went to sit down about 3 or 4 different groups of girls were giving me the eye and I looked at smiled back. 2 particular girls waved I approached only to find they were shy and giggly (despite being at least 19!).

I'm not trying to boast here DJs. Just trying to make a few points. I was a total AFC before 2002 when I found this site. I never thought I'd be confident with girls. Persistence pays off. And the other key point is, when you start getting interest from girls, even smiles and eye contact, your confidence improves drastically, then girls seem to sense this greater confidence, so you get even more interest from then, making you even more confident and so on!!!

I must say, though, I still haven't mastered the art of closing. I have no problem getting interest, approaching and talking to chicks, and I virtually have NO FEAR, BUT I seem to end the conversation without closing, and so my next goal is to close on EVERY girl I speak to. I'm totally confident around the girls now, so the next step of success is logical.

So as for openers, I recommend anything INDIRECT, and that you come across as confident in your body language and tone of voice.
 

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Now to answer some of the questions you guys posted.

Pimp-sicle - Yes, as I approached more girls it was just getting easier and easier from an emotional point of view. It was easy, and I think girls were subtley picking up on the extra confidence because more were willing to talk to me after I'd got used to the approaching. I agree with you now, the line 'are you single?' isn't the best one to opener with, since as you say it gives her a chance to immediately reject you, stopping the conversation dead. But it CAN work.

Starman - I agree that most lines will work if you try them enough times, but then if the line is bad then your success rate will be low. Apparently the line, 'wanna fuvk' work if you try it enough times, but probably only on 1 out of 100 girls! So as I said earlier, get a decent indirect opener and make sure you come across well non verbally and you'll have more success.

Rick and MrBond007 - Thanks for seeing the positive side, the progress I made, and pointing it out to the other DJs here :)

Kineti[C]harm - Only 4 numbers out of 77. Why was this? Well, several reasons. I think the opener in itself wasn't great, allowing rejections on the spot. The other thing, though, is that I have to work on my closing. I could've got 15 or more numbers if I'd been a little more persuasive and made a point to close each time.

jakethasnake - Looks wise, I'd actually class myself as fairly attractive (sorry, don't mean to get bigheaded, it's just the impresson I get from most girls), so looks obviously aren't the issue. It's just my closing I need to work on.

Blurred Elevens and gentleman193 - Yes, you're probably wondering what happened with the numbers I got. Well, 1 number was constantly ringing and I couldn't get hold of the girl, so I eventually gave up on her. Another number, of a girl who was supposably called Sarah, answered her phone and when I asked for Sarah, she was like 'who?', so I explained who I was and she said 'Oh...Sarah....' . Once she remembered me, you see SHE was pretending to be called Sarah and I'd just caught her out! I asked her for coffee, she sounded flaky, asked her to meet me in town but she never turned up. I knew she wouln't anyway from the way she sounded on the phone. I have since seen her around town and o the bus, she often says hi to me, but I just ignore her knowing she has disproved herself in my eyes. Hehe, it's great to have some power over women!
Another girl, Katie, well I saw her in town a few times and I thought she was interested because she actually offered me her number, but when I called, she seemed more interested in trying to sell me her old phone than agree to meet up with me.
The final number was a girl called Emily, but I only got to talk to her VERY briefly after asking if she was single. She said she was, then she soon had to get into her taxi, so I asked her number and she told me to write mine down on her notepad (which I did, there was nothing to lose). I sensed there was something not quite right about her, but I wasn't totally sure until she called me the next day asking to meet me and sounding very nervous and not quite with it. When I met up with her, her sister and her sister's bf were also there, and they explained that Emily suffered from learning difficulties and that was why she acted so immature. I felt stupid, but get this...the family invited me to their house for dinner, met the parents, had some beers...all for free and they were cool about it, saying it wasn't my fault. But Jeez!!! The lesson there is, make sure you get some idea what a girl is like before asking for the digits!

So not quite the success I aimed for, but things since have improved.

Ol'BlueEyes - I only live in a relatively small town, with a population of about 60,000 people. I've lived here about 18 months, and I must say that I've seen lots of girls that I've previously DJ'd, and if I walk through town I recognise a lot of faces (even if I don't know the person). So you have to be careful living in smaller places, though it's not always bad because if girls see you as popular their interest goes up! Just be sure to get a good rep and you'll be fine. Nowadays though, I go out of town to do my pickups, since there's more choice, less chnce of seeing a girl I've previously DJ'd, and generally I just like a change.
As for the looks of the girls I approched, yes, generally I did only approach ones I regarded as good looking or reasonable enough looking. No point in approaching the ugly ones, because I'd only be leading them on if anything happened.

Golden Arms - People can ask me whatever questions they like, I don't mind! I don't come on this site so much these days though (hence the time it's taken to reply), because I am out in the REAL WORLD living my life, putting these DJ tactics to work and slowly becoming the DJ I know is in me. I used to be on here every day, but it's less frequent now. In fact, if it wasn't for a fellow DJ friend of mine telling me that this post was up again, I doubt I'd have seen it for several weeks!

Neptunes - This stuff sounded impossible to me before 2002. I was a BIG afc, trust me. But I steadily put the things from this site into practice, learned from my experience and got better. You can do the same.

My internet time is up, so see you guys again soon.
 

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You're my new favourite member! Very motivational.

Pity about all the flakiness and bad luck with your numbers. Has that improved for you recently with more practice?
 

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Guitar_Whizz you are one of the most inspirational people on this board =) GREAT WORK!!! I wish you all luck in the future and I hope your post will be to great inspiration and fortune for other DJ's and men :)
 

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Good effort whizz. 77 approaches! no matter the result, u win.

However, i think u could have used it or still can use this experience to better success. Experience means changing what isn't working to something better that does work. I'm sure u knew that this opening line wasn't the best, but after a few rejections, u really should have tried something different to see what works for u! Try to be flexible in ure approach
 

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Great thread Guitar_Whiz. I think that since you now have a better idea of what to say as openners and have more confidence in closing that you should do another 77 approaches in the same manner and tell us about it! :D
 

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