63% of young American men are single while most women in the same age group are in relationships

[kavi]

The way these "leaders" are selected and perceived is utterly flawed. If they actually had to put up or shut up for their completely unmerited positions, a certain ecological balance would be restored. What we have presently is the worst of all worlds, with all the inequities of the jungle but without its rough justice.

Yeah it true it is just chaos out there. The mediocrity created by the system where the 'top' guys are just Bezos, Tate, Sunak, Biden whatever its like mediocrity at its finest.

 

[patb]

I agree with you on the posture and preening. Its very annoying and I call it out as well. I just don't understand why you confuse the typical posture and preening that is going to happen when a good portion of men open their mouth with reflecting on the importance of your own mindset and perspective in achieving success.

The men im competing with are not dropping out.

The normative questions have always mattered to me intrinsically, for whatever reason. It just rankles when selling out gets repackaged as virtue. By all means, sell out -- but don't pat yourself on the back for it. This is why I need to drink before approaching -- contrary to the narrative here, it has nothing to do with "balls," but to suppress my moral gag reflex.

I don't think things will ever get anything but worse as long this Objectivist-like mentality abides -- where is the end game? But I know I'm howling into the wind. The system is stable -- there's simply no viable challenge to it. It's a charlatan's paradise.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

That's a tough-guy varnish on eating **** with a smile. Always roll over. Always do the monkey dance. Keep running in the cheese maze. Never have a spine. Never aspire to anything better. Definitely don't think about collective action or subverting their made up rules.

Nah, let me guess...you are still one of those people who fight against using a computer and only want to read paper maps not use GPS right?

 

[HaleyBaron]

I know what you mean, but flexibility is a virtue. I recall "selling out" myself, but I was sick of being single. You will be happier and more successful being able to adapt to your environment.

Eeeeeh not always. This is not a good strat to take. Adaption doesn't mean giving in. There's a world of difference between settling and giving up your authority. Adaption means keeping your authority in changing standards. Sometimes, that means you have to take action to keep said authority. I know some of you are afraid of shaking things up or causing discomfort, which is a problem with most men today.

 

[f(x)]

I didn’t read the article so I’m not sure how they got those numbers, but isn’t “I have a boyfriend” one of the canonical sheeit-tests?

 

[Robert28]

Nah, let me guess...you are still one of those people who fight against using a computer and only want to read paper maps not use GPS right?

Those things improve your life. Explain to me how modern women improve your life?lol

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Those things improve your life. Explain to me how modern women improve your life?lol

Stop dating drama queens and you'll see.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Its a matter of balance. If you are not having success, likely you are too stuck in your own head and values and not adapting sufficiently.

Screw balance. It's no compromise. You want something, go get it by any means necessary. Short of becoming a criminal. Even then, there's some respect for criminals cause at least they have the boldness to obtain something they want.

 

[HaleyBaron]

This sounds more like tough talk than analysis.

I am not saying to compromise your core values, but sometimes your values are disconnected from the reality of the situation. Lots of beta men have core values that have zero to do with what women want or how they think.

Lets give a specific example. Do you think a man who thinks concurrent dating is deceptive and wrong should adjust their perspective considering the woman he thinks he is deceiving is virtually always concurrently dating? Do you think a man who thinks superficial beauty is unimportant and shouldnt be prioritized but is foreveralone should spend some time in the gym and buying new clothes?

I'm talking a guy whose core values is reality. Even if society says otherwise. Knowing the consequences of dating and that looks help socially are good values to fight for. Even if society is saying that promiscuous is good and being fat is fine. It's about knowing you're right that drives your motivation and willingness to not compromise.

Using covid as an example, I did not budge on the mask or vaccine peer pressure cause I was set in my values of knowing what works and trusting my intuition. Society has beat down so many people's trust in themselves that they cannot ever say with certainly they are assured of their purpose or path in life. Thus, depression, drugs, and sex being rampant.

 

[patb]

Nah, let me guess...you are still one of those people who fight against using a computer and only want to read paper maps not use GPS right?

If I were a cartographer, I sure might.

 

[patb]

Screw balance. It's no compromise. You want something, go get it by any means necessary. Short of becoming a criminal. Even then, there's some respect for criminals cause at least they have the boldness to obtain something they want.

Let's be honest -- at this point, the argument against going criminal is far more practical than normative.

 

[sangheilios]

It's because women that are casually seeing specific men or are side pieces would not consider themselves as "single".

 

[MatureDJ]

My married friends and their wives are baffled by why I'm still single. Even after explaining how women today expect way more than they're worth that I simply do not put up with it. Some of them think I'm exaggerating and one of the wives thinks there's something wrong with me. I have my flaws but I don't have a fatal one. She thinks I'm hiding something lol

OK, so do these married friends & wives know any single women that are childless, in proper shape, your facial looksmatch, and not so picky as to find you undesirable? I'm sure that once the wives go through their social circle, they will realize that every single woman they know is deficient in one of these regards.

 

[MatureDJ]

It's OVER for YoungBachelorCels.

 

[tightgrp]

The reality is I've been single for a year and I'm getting more and more comfortable with doing things solo like traveling and going to random places. Idk if that's a good or bad thing.

It's a good thing.

 

[sangheilios]

I didn’t read the article so I’m not sure how they got those numbers, but isn’t “I have a boyfriend” one of the canonical sheeit-tests?

No, it's simply an easy and safe means of rejecting a man. If a woman says she has a boyfriend she has one OR is saying this as a rejection, overall it means she isn't interested in pursuing anything further. However, there are exceptions to this, she may actually have a boyfriend BUT be open to going out with you, you just need to be aware, or she is just attention whoring. Either way, if you ever hear these words you are just better off moving on, save yourself the time and drama. Years ago I've had a few women say this to me but then go OUT of their way to interact with me, long story short nothing positive came from any of those scenarios.

 

[Stanley]

You note that this is rotting the soul of Western Civilization, then exhort everyone to contribute to that rot, shaming those who don't as "losers." This is why TRP is as much a part of the problem as anything.

Perhaps it came across that way to you, but I disagree so allow me to expand on that at length.

I am not 'shaming' nor do I encourage anyone to contribute to furthering the divide.
Saying to "get yours" only means to have your best interest in mind and make yourself priority number one, something women have been told since the 1960's. Embracing the way things are currently and adapting to them while being realistic is "exhorting" men to make matters worse??? No... I did not advocate for men to be 'red pill' or MGTOW or anything of the sort in my initial post. I expressed my thoughts and predictions (which is what op was asking to being with). That and accepting the way things are currently is the first step in making an actionable positive change through either an individual or group collective effort.

'loser' is in air quotes for a reason.
Is a man spending his day alone spanking it to some naughty pixels he paid for on onlyfans something to be prideful towards?

I personally don't think so, I see that as a problem and there are numerous studies which reinforce the damage of online pornography (especially on young impressionable minds). People are free to do as they please, but they are not exempt from judgment and others opinions. Shaming is done in an attempt to control by diminishing and humiliating. My initial post has zero implication of humiliating someone with that intention, but yes I personally think spending time with your hand is not healthy if it is directly affecting your desire to go out and do things. And once again, I empathize with these men because i've been that guy in the past and so have many men.

I pity those who give up in life and enjoying the decline is not that.

I am not advocating for men to go out and create more broken women or grow bitter and resentful. I am encouraging men to go out and pursue their own best interest and adapt to the current landscape. Abandon the victimhood so many guys perpetuate now a days and take matters into their own hand and grab life by the balls. I do not agree with MGTOW, but I understand why many man have moved towards that ideological direction. I do not blame them in today's climate, but it only further exacerbates the problem. The way I see things going with this 'decline' is men need to adapt and accept a lot of truths. They must overcome new obstacles which were not present in the past. It does not mean give in and add to the problem. You can still be a good person and do the right things while simulatouesly prioritizing yourself and your own success and happiness. Those that give up are the ones truly furthering the divide with their quiet revolution abandoning the pursuit of the opposite sex and growing to hate women.

Men and women function best going off of one another's energy's and ideally there should be some balance of masculine and feminine.

As or right now men are becoming more and more feminine and women inversely. Guys coming across praxeology like the Red Pill is simply a gateway to masculinity, I personally think that is a double edged sword though. I do find most guys take the theories and knowledge found in that realm and take it as gospel. That is a certainly a problem and if more men take that tool box and come from a place of hate/bitterness and do not grow out of it that would make matters worse. On the flip side would you rather men slowly become more and more feminized? I'd rather see men collectively become stronger and work together through brotherhood to make the world a better place, but I am not a idealist and know this is unlikely any time soon.

 

[patb]

Fair enough. I think there's actually a shortage of hatred and bitterness in the places they're needed, though. Hatred and bitterness, I hope, are the social chemo that will eventually eradicate the cancerous growth that is today's society.

 

[jaymbrs]

No, it's simply an easy and safe means of rejecting a man. If a woman says she has a boyfriend she has one OR is saying this as a rejection, overall it means she isn't interested in pursuing anything further. However, there are exceptions to this, she may actually have a boyfriend BUT be open to going out with you, you just need to be aware, or she is just attention whoring. Either way, if you ever hear these words you are just better off moving on, save yourself the time and drama. Years ago I've had a few women say this to me but then go OUT of their way to interact with me, long story short nothing positive came from any of those scenarios.

No attractive woman is single. I can’t count the times I’ve had a woman monkey branch to me.

 

[Stanley]

Fair enough. I think there's actually a shortage of hatred and bitterness in the places they're needed, though. Hatred and bitterness, I hope, are the social chemo that will eventually eradicate the cancerous growth that is today's society.

I agree

I think those negative emotions need to be felt. so many people both men and women run and hide from those bad feelings. They are there for a reason, how you act on them is what's important. You can stew in hatred or you can sublimate and do what you've got to do. My anger is rooted in societal constructs and myself. I know this well, so when I feel that emotion coming on I sit with it and act on it in a from a place of rationality with the objective of progress and growth.