5 Predictions For Dating In The Next 10 Years (and Beyond)

[Manure Spherian]

It's simple math right here, but it would take at least a few decades to fully play out.

We’re going to see a massive die-off of women who were in barren “relationships” from ages 13 to to 35 over several decades and then traditional marriage will reassert itself. For now, there should be a temporary marriage ban.

 

[jhonny9546]

I don't know if this would be a trend, but after 25 its really hard to have a social life and get into social events or just be exposed to someone (in a genuine way) and know them outside your primary family, circle, job, hobbies.

 

[sangheilios]

We’re going to see a massive die-off of women who were in barren “relationships” from ages 13 to to 35 over several decades and then traditional marriage will reassert itself. For now, there should be a temporary marriage ban.

What is a barren relationship exactly?

 

[Manure Spherian]

What is a barren relationship exactly?

Sterile, no offspring. The women who wasted their most fertile and prettiest years “dating” and in relationSHlTS will have their genetic lineage die. More family oriented people will live.

 

[MatureDJ]

I don't have the exact numbers to cite, but the overwhelming majority of these high earners, as in people making well north of 100k, are going to be living in very high cost of living areas (LA, NYC, Boston, San Francisco, etc.). Making 200k/year in these metros, particularly NYC and CA, is probably the equivalent of making high 5 figures/year in places like Las Vegas, Phoenix, Dallas, etc. These once affordable/very cheap metros have exploded in regards to cost of housing/rent, real estate, etc.

I've discussed this with @SW15 before, unless you are willing to spend a lot of money OR actually very high wealth it really doesn't make a difference what you make, so long as you aren't incredibly broke. I blame this mostly on social media, but unless you are able to take a girl on a nice trip, like to Hawaii or the Caribbean, or buy her expensive clothes, bags, etc. it's not really going to impress her. It doesn't matter if you are an electrician or an electrical engineer, both make relatively similar incomes btw.

I will add though that these "career women" are incredibly fussy and have very high standards that most men would struggle to live up to. We currently are living in a culture where women are more narcissistic and materialistic than probably ever, and in combination of this they often look down upon men.

Now that my investments are starting to pan out very nicely , I feel like I can afford to take a chick on vacations. The thing is, I only feel motivated to do this if she is hot.

 

[MatureDJ]

Sterile, no offspring. The women who wasted their most fertile and prettiest years “dating” and in relationSHlTS will have their genetic lineage die. More family oriented people will live.

Evolution ALWAYS triumphs!

 

[corrector]

@Solomon
AI/tech- I think a lot of people underestimate how quickly something like this could take off. I've cited this before, but I think the best comparison we can make to this is in Japanese culture with their "herbivore men". I've also seen some bizarre stuff of men "marrying" anime characters and stuff like that, it sounds comical as hell to us reading this but it's really not all that far off from this AI stuff. It's basically men that for whatever reason have had issues with real world interactions, both with friends and dating/mating, and they dive into a fantasy realm as a replacement. The scary thing about the AI and virtual world stuff is that it will be incredibly advanced to where it could be almost real. With ease of access to this technology I could totally see many people basically addicted to it.

@Solomon asserts in his posts that women would also use AI or get into 'Chad"-like sex robots, etc.... however, you raised one key point that he missed there. Women don't have the same problems or issues with real world interactions and there wouldn't be as much of a demand for women to access any fantasy realm or go into these things. When women try these experiments and find out how it's like to be an decent average guy in society, and try out profiles on Tinder, dress and act as a guy or do an actual sex change, the results are often extremely depressing and devestating for them and lead some to even suicide. Therefore, there is a gulf of experience which would more likely drive guys to tech rather than women.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Guys really need to stop watching these RP podcast where girls are talking out of their ass about wanting guys making 6 or 7 figures.

Imagine being a middle-aged, unhinged, greying and balding Red Piller in his late 40s to 50s telling men to become gazillionaires to get women when fifteen year old broccoli heads with high social status in high school are getting laid for free with females RPers couldn’t attract when they were that age. Haha!

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Imagine being a middle-aged, unhinged, greying and balding Red Piller in his late 40s to 50s telling men to become gazillionaires to get women when fifteen year old broccoli heads with high social status in high school are getting laid for free with females RPers couldn’t attract when they were that age. Haha!

That's the point, no amount of wealth or status can give an adult men what those high status broccoli teenagers are getting for free.

Men always felt that way but nowadays are starting to accept it...and this is the reason for most of the hate coming as post wall women demanding sh1t.

The "alpha man" that "runs a business", has savings, dresses well, is confident and all the rest when it comes of women would gladly trade places with that poor teenager living with his parents that however bang some 19yrs old brand new wet Mary Jane cause she genuinely like him.

The biggest thread to future adult marriages is men coming to this conclusion even before than women economical expectations.

This is all connect to the "husband material" talks we read on twitter.

 

[SW15]

unless you are willing to spend a lot of money OR actually very high wealth it really doesn't make a difference what you make, so long as you aren't incredibly broke. I blame this mostly on social media, but unless you are able to take a girl on a nice trip, like to Hawaii or the Caribbean, or buy her expensive clothes, bags, etc. it's not really going to impress her. It doesn't matter if you are an electrician or an electrical engineer, both make relatively similar incomes btw.

In conventional dating, having an above average annual salary isn't going to mean much. While money tends to matter more in the seduction effort for men 35+ (either pursuing younger women or similarly aged women), it's only around the 95th percentile where the effect becomes more evident. This is because of the long term effects of Second Wave Feminism (1960s-1980s feminism). Millennial and Gen Z women (18-43 year old women as of 2024) had their formative years after the biggest year of Second Wave Feminism. Millennial women were raised by their Boomer parents to be self-sufficient. What did that mean? More and more Millennial women went to college, completed a bachelor's degree +, and then got jobs. DEI/affirmative action initiatives helped both white females and non-white females in the white collar workplace. As a result, Millennial women (who I have primarily interacted with since I am an older Millennial myself) have essentially become the beta male providers of past times. They are making enough money to not be that concerned about what a man can do economically for her.

As an example, let's consider a single man living in Dallas who makes $125,000 as an annual salary. That's an above average salary but it's not exceptional for Dallas or anywhere in the USA. He's in his 30s/early 40s. Let's say he's 39 to be precise. He's childless too. At that salary and as a childless man, he has either an above average apartment or a decent condominium in a central city neighborhood. These are nice bachelor pads but not exceptional.

Unless his looks are absolutely elite, this 39 year old man is likely dating women 32-39. He's more likely meeting them on swipe apps but it's possible he's doing some real life approaching. He's either doing real life approaching at bars or through some events he attends. He's unlikely to be doing typical daygame. At most, he might do an occasional approach in his gym. I think more of his interactions are swipe app ones because it's difficult to meet 32-39 year old women (especially childless women) in real life in that age range.

The typical 32-39 year old woman he's meeting from his swipe app interactions are women with bachelor's degrees + who are making something like $75,000 - $125,000 from their jobs. These women aren't going to be that impressed with his $125,000 annual salary because he's not going to offer enough money to substantially change her life. He will be looked at as a very much average prospect for them.

As for your point about taking women on trips, one 7-10 day Hawaii or Caribbean trip isn't going to make that much of a different long time. The effect of those trips has a limited shelf life. Additionally, it's not advisable to take a woman on a trip until the relationship has matured a bit (6 months +), so the ability to take her on a trip doesn't mean much. A trip sooner than that seems like something from a sugar type relationship and not conventional dating.

Most childless men 10+ years out of college aren't going to be broke either.

It's possible to be broke and succeed with women if you are on the younger side and very good looking. It's difficult to pull that off after 35.

who the hell would wanna date a career woman?

I will add though that these "career women" are incredibly fussy and have very high standards that most men would struggle to live up to. We currently are living in a culture where women are more narcissistic and materialistic than probably ever, and in combination of this they often look down upon men.

Career women are not lacking for options. Many of them generate a lot of interest if they use swipe apps. These women are also getting DMs across social media platforms, including on LinkedIn. I regularly see updates in my LinkedIn Newsfeed about woman complaining about getting unwanted romantic DMs on LinkedIn.

The types of men pursuing career women are men with blue pilled ideologies. These are the Average Frustrated Chump/beta male types. The types of men that typically don't participate on forums like SoSuave.

Career women do tend to be incredibly fussy in the dating market. They are difficult to date in general. It's easier to date a woman who has a less demanding job whose mind isn't consumed by her job. There are sometimes women with lower paying jobs with less impressive titles who are career focused too, so a lower paying job doesn't mean not careerist. There are women under 30 with lower paying white collar jobs now who are seeking to move up and will be rather ambitious/career centered. Not only does salary/title have to be considered, but also her level of ambition for the future. Less ambitious women with less demanding jobs are generally more dateable, both in shorter and longer term arrangements.

If you're making 100K or more. Why would you want to date a boss babe when you can have other/better options? I rather date a femine, fun, submissive barista who is broke than a boss babe making 200K grand a year

Men making $100,000+ have the opportunity to find other/better options than a similarly earning careerist female. There are a lot of $100,000+ earning men with both blue pilled and lazy approaches to dating who end up with some Boss Babe from a swipe app interaction for some mediocre relationship.

Men making $100,000+ are better off having the idea to date someone less ambitious with a less demanding job if they want to be happy in a longer term relationship.

 

[SW15]

We have huge numbers of women that are single and childless well past 30, it's clearly a result of a failed social experiment. The other day I was at Costco and this woman had one of those pouches you carry over your chest for a baby to be in, except she had a small dog in there lol. These leftist type women are not reproducing and those that have more "trad" type values are significantly more likely to marry, have children, etc. I also believe that young women may see these unhappy older women, with no kids or man, and actively try to avoid becoming like that. It's simple math right here, but it would take at least a few decades to fully play out.

The majority of 30-43 year old Millennials now have children, even though there's a lot of hype out there about older childless Millennials.

Your example from Costco isn't that unusual. There have been times I've been in Dallas parks/on Dallas walking paths and seen women putting small dogs in baby strollers. If you go to an area with high enough foot traffic, you will see this. On the "Observations on Dallas' Scene" thread, I profiled The Katy Trail in Post #274 in December 2023. The Katy Trail is the walking path in Dallas with the most foot traffic.

Trad types are more likely to marry and have children within a conventional marriage. A lot of careerist females either unintentionally or intentionally end up childless. There are lower class females that have children out of wedlock. In the USA, this is common in Black and Hispanic communities. Lower class Whites in trailer park type places do it too.

Poly relationships- I think this is actually already fairly common now, it would explain the massive gap between male vs. female singles, sexlessness, etc. The dating apps are a huge part of this, it's basically lead to an environment where a female 5 is getting a male 7, but the male 7 is fooling around with 2 other 5s at the same time lol. Meanwhile, you have fairly large numbers of low-average tier males, like 3-5, that are basically left struggling or left out completely. Well below average guys don't even have a chance to begin with. I knew a guy in his mid 20s, now late 20s, that was like this, he was probably a 7-8 for his age but had rotations of women that were honestly fairly average.

I think there could be poly relationships with one female and multiple males, but I feel this will not be all that common and more an outlier. With that said, I've seen a few examples of this over the years, but in the big picture it's unusual.

The only men that can pull off poly type relationships are upper tier men. Sometimes these men would be called Chads or Chad Lights. It seems reasonable to think about a man who is a 7-8 (a Chad Light) to have 2-3 women on rotation who are fairly average looking.

In far left US metros (San Francisco, Seattle, Portland), it's becoming more common for mediocre to subpar looking women to have a rotation of multiple betas who sometimes look rather soy in a poly style rotation.

 

[CornbreadFed]

On another note who the hell would wanna date a career woman?

A stable man with an attractive & masculine mindset can easily date a career woman. I have never had any issues dating them and they bring a lot of benefits to the relationship. If you are a broken man with a broken mindset then career women will not match well with you. Likes attract likes, if you are a broken man then you should be sticking to broken unambitious women in low level service work or lower career ladders. I have dated both spectrums and my worst relationships came from these types of women.

 

[Manure Spherian]

That's the point, no amount of wealth or status can give an adult men what those high status broccoli teenagers are getting for free.

Men always felt that way but nowadays are starting to accept it...and this is the reason for most of the hate coming as post wall women demanding sh1t.

The "alpha man" that "runs a business", has savings, dresses well, is confident and all the rest when it comes of women would gladly trade places with that poor teenager living with his parents that however bang some 19yrs old brand new wet Mary Jane cause she genuinely like him.

The biggest thread to future adult marriages is men coming to this conclusion even before than women economical expectations.

This is all connect to the "husband material" talks we read on twitter.

Resentment, anxiousness, and bitterness ooze from the mouths and faces of Michael Sartain, Rollo Tomassi, John Anthony Lifestyle, and Richard Cooper.

 

[Manure Spherian]

So that's the solution? Get money so you can get women? It sounds to me what an old ugly guy would say to be honest. Men who lead with money get used as ATMs.



Hahahaha this is the most moronic statement I've read in a long time, now I understand why @CornbreadFed say what he says about red pill men

I think what he said was in opposition of RP.

 

[Solomon]

Don't take this the wrong way, but anyone can make a thread about how things are or will be. Now my question for you, what is the solution? Cause obviously men and women will keep existing, you've been in this forum for over 16 years, you must have seen a lot, so what is the solution?

The solution is simple read the "Book Of Pook" and read the writings of Fingz yes they are old but all of those things still apply, Once you read them than execute and act upon what you read. Field test it and utlize what works dicard what doesn't. This is what helped me improved with women when I first got here. When you understand that your success with women is based on your mindset and then willing to execute (by execute meaning putting the work in to improve on your weakness or lack of strength from how you dress, gym, how you talk approach, meet women etc)
It's a numbers game but a guy who is doing the work and it shows will eventually come up unless he has some major hurdles to get over i.e. disability, severe mental illness etc

Now applying the solution is the difficult part and this is where 70% of men fail or give up

A stable man with an attractive & masculine mindset can easily date a career woman. I have never had any issues dating them and they bring a lot of benefits to the relationship. If you are a broken man with a broken mindset then career women will not match well with you. Likes attract likes, if you are a broken man then you should be sticking to broken unambitious women in low level service work or lower career ladders. I have dated both spectrums and my worst relationships came from these types of women.

This is too black&white sprinkled with a lot of shaming language, what's your definition of a career woman? is it a woman working an entry-level job at Amazon headquarters making $20 an hour on a laptop? or a C-Level exec making 300K or more? when we talk about "Career" women we first have to put a definition on it, because I have seen guys call girls that make $20 "Career" women. Heck you can make that now flipping burgers. I have dated both types IMO I rather deal with a feminine, kind woman I could give a ****less what her career is as long as she is following my program and is able to take care of herself when it comes to the basics (paying her bills, car, rent etc)

The reason why a lot of guys here don't like the "Boss Babe" is because of her masculine energy, A chick making $30 an hour working a corporate job at Amazon IMO is not a boss babe but some may consider them career women.

 

[Solomon]

@Solomon asserts in his posts that women would also use AI or get into 'Chad"-like sex robots, etc.... however, you raised one key point that he missed there. Women don't have the same problems or issues with real world interactions and there wouldn't be as much of a demand for women to access any fantasy realm or go into these things. When women try these experiments and find out how it's like to be an decent average guy in society, and try out profiles on Tinder, dress and act as a guy or do an actual sex change, the results are often extremely depressing and devestating for them and lead some to even suicide. Therefore, there is a gulf of experience which would more likely drive guys to tech rather than women.

It annoys me that I have to explain the simplest things but then I understand Asperger's and autism are real things online. Let me clarify and add context when I say women will utilize it as it's not all women obviously but you will have a group of women using them. How many women who knows? but even if it's 10% of women that's still women using it (robots)

 

[SW15]

A stable man with an attractive & masculine mindset can easily date a career woman.

That is possible. He can date a career woman, but why would he want to do that?

I think a man who is stable with that mindset is better off trying to date someone who isn't as career focused. She's likely to be a more supportive girlfriend in a longer term relationship or eventually a marriage. She's more likely to be present in the moment. She's less likely to be spending her Thanksgiving holiday working on contractual law for a client.

It is also worth pointing out that many stable men don't have an attractive or masculine mindset. Stable men tend to be average frustrated chumps/beta males. If they have bachelor's degree + and work in white collar, these are the individual contributors or middle manager type males (if older).

If you are a broken man with a broken mindset then career women will not match well with you. Likes attract likes, if you are a broken man then you should be sticking to broken unambitious women in low level service work or lower career ladders.

One of the more challenging parts about dating women in lower career ladders is finding a stable women. As an example, most 30+ paralegals, medical assistants, and dental hygienists who are single are single moms.

A lot of men who can't attract young women because they are in middle age or beyond end up relegated to dating 30+ women. A lot of 30+ women are damaged. A childless older man might end up with some 30+ careerist female because that's his only option for dating a childless woman 30+.

These aren't necessarily broken men but sometimes there are men who have been dealt a bad hand in the mating marketplace for any number of reasons.

The "alpha man" that "runs a business", has savings, dresses well, is confident and all the rest when it comes of women would gladly trade places with that poor teenager living with his parents that however bang some 19yrs old brand new wet Mary Jane cause she genuinely like him.

A lot of those "alpha males" aren't actually alpha. A lot of corporate management (both middle and higher levels) are beta males. A middle to upper management male who is middle aged and more beta might not be able to attract the substantially younger woman that he actually wants. If he's 45 and making $150,000 a year (generally good), he's still not going to have enough to attract 19 year olds in most cases. He might be interested in being some 19 year old living with his parents to bang some 19 year old female who has genuine burning desire for him. This 45 year old making $150,000 is often either a lifelong pussie beggar single or a pussie beggar divorced guy. The typical married manager guy has a wife who has lost sexual desire for him while living in their single family house with 2 kids. The similarly aged wife would have plenty of sexual desire for a 22 year old pool boy but not her 45 year old husband who she has been with over the last 20 years.

 

[corrector]

It annoys me that I have to explain the simplest things but then I understand Asperger's and autism are real things online. Let me clarify and add context when I say women will utilize it as it's not all women obviously but you will have a group of women using them. How many women who knows? but even if it's 10% of women that's still women using it (robots)

I know you said "not ALL women", but it strongly implied you saying "most or the vast majority of" women. If you say a small subset of women then it becomes a moot argument to raise that makes no sense at all for raising it in the first place as we are talking about trends. Next time, say "a very small subset of women"....but the you would not do that because then it would just sound too anemic to make sense.

 

[Solomon]

As an example, let's consider a single man living in Dallas who makes $125,000 as an annual salary. That's an above average salary but it's not exceptional for Dallas or anywhere in the USA. He's in his 30s/early 40s. Let's say he's 39 to be precise. He's childless too. At that salary and as a childless man, he has either an above average apartment or a decent condominium in a central city neighborhood. These are nice bachelor pads but not exceptional.

Unless his looks are absolutely elite, this 39 year old man is likely dating women 32-39. He's more likely meeting them on swipe apps but it's possible he's doing some real life approaching. He's either doing real life approaching at bars or through some events he attends. He's unlikely to be doing typical daygame. At most, he might do an occasional approach in his gym. I think more of his interactions are swipe app ones because it's difficult to meet 32-39 year old women (especially childless women) in real life in that age range.

The typical 32-39 year old woman he's meeting from his swipe app interactions are women with bachelor's degrees + who are making something like $75,000 - $125,000 from their jobs. These women aren't going to be that impressed with his $125,000 annual salary because he's not going to offer enough money to substantially change her life. He will be looked at as a very much average prospect for them.

As for your point about taking women on trips, one 7-10 day Hawaii or Caribbean trip isn't going to make that much of a different long time. The effect of those trips has a limited shelf life. Additionally, it's not advisable to take a woman on a trip until the relationship has matured a bit (6 months +), so the ability to take her on a trip doesn't mean much. A trip sooner than that seems like something from a sugar type relationship and not conventional dating.

Most childless men 10+ years out of college aren't going to be broke either.

It's possible to be broke and succeed with women if you are on the younger side and very good looking. It's difficult to pull that off after 35.

EEEH wrong let's look at the numbers (I cite my sources so you can see I'm not talking out of my ass even though I make 6 figures)

125K places you at the top 5%-25% in America depending on the state(Dallas although is a city is in America so you can include it). The average salary for an American male is $45,902 a year The average American woman makes $54,924 with a bachelor's degree. Where the heck are you getting 75K-125K from??

If you look at the Top 10 Jobs American women do, only 2 of those jobs make 75K or more

Are you getting these numbers from your friends and family? Or reputable sources. If So I would love to see the data you're looking at

 

[SW15]

what's your definition of a career woman?

Here are criteria I use to define a career woman in the United States market. The more of these she meets, the more of a career woman she is.

1. She has a bachelor's or an advanced degree. Any woman with an advanced degree is automatically a career woman. It takes a lot of effort to get into MA/MS/PhD/MD type programs. After completing an advanced degree, a woman is going to want to make use of that advanced degree.

Plenty of women with only bachelor's degrees are career women. With these women, it can sometimes be relevant where she went to school. A woman who went to a basic state level public university is less likely to be careerist than a woman who went to an elite private college/university. The academic reputation of the university matters. With that said, there are plenty of graduates from public universities who are career women.

2. She works a white collar job and she's not direct support staff to an executive. Human Resources is exempt from this. They could be considered support staff, but it is its own department and has career women in it.
3. If in a business role, she is either a middle manager + or an ambitious younger individual contributor looking for her next promotion.
4. If she works in medicine or law, she's automatically a career woman because of the advanced degree.
5. If she's a professor in academia, she's automatically a career woman.
6. If she's a mom, how quickly does she return to work after giving birth? Has she downshifted her career at all since she became a mom? These are more relevant to married moms not in the mating marketplace but could be relevant to men thinking about dating single moms.
7. Her work in general is high pressure and requires more than 40 hours per week, often 50+.
8. Her work takes priority over her personal life. She might work through major holidays like Thanksgiving or Christmas to deal with business or law demands (see #7).